New Italian government with fascist roots

Geuze

Surely it's positive to be against illegal immigration?

I don't understand why people criticise her for that?

I fully support EU single market freedom of movement, but I am against all the bogus asylum-seekers.

Is she against EU migration?

If so, I disagree.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119672321#Comment_119672321

One thing that's never been explained to me is this: If the birthrate of a country falls naturally, why do they need immigration to boost the numbers? Surely a decline in GDP due to population decline is not so catastrophic economically, as long as the per capita wealth remains the same or grows?

This obsession with GDP is something that concerns the Davos types, but is quite abstract to the average Joe on the street (to whom unemployment rates are a far more important metric).

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119672188#Comment_119672188

oh no. the gays...how dare she not support them by giving them everything they want. the general tone of your argument is that anybody who doesnt approve of a liberal progressive agenda is a fascist. To avoid being a fascist one must support everything.

I guess I'm a fascist too now, where do I get my free hugo boss outfit?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674573#Comment_119674573

Because human society is a pyramid scheme.

Most grow old and need the younger newer generations to maintain the scheme once they have progessed up the ranks.

Declining population is most likely going to take the form of more old and less young that's not good for the pyramid.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669355#Comment_119669355

First they came for the immigrants....

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669300#Comment_119669300

As another poster mentioned, far right individuals are trying to downplay this. You only have to look at the first page of this thread.

The current coalition does have undeniable fascist roots and they lean heavily to the far right. Keep in mind they will have "toned down" a lot of their rhetoric to get into power. Populist fringes love economic chaos and problems, it's always their ticket in.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674614#Comment_119674614

Don't you mean first they stopped them coming in who is coming for them ?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674630#Comment_119674630

For those of us who don't speak Far right code what have they toned down exactly ? I love the old mind reader they really mean this their just not saying it.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674630#Comment_119674630

Conspiratorial.

If the left hadn't become such a middle class dominated movement it may have benefited from the last decade of economic change.

Fascist is now just a left wing term for working class people. It's just middle class snobbery from the activists.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674614#Comment_119674614

She's doing the opposite,she doesnt want to come for them, she want them not to come.

Seems sensible

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674666#Comment_119674666

Exactly.

First they came for the immigrants.....

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119673898#Comment_119673898

So the fascist party in italy, which was called the "national Fascist party", wasn't actually a fascist party until after it gained power. Before that it was just the "national <insert something here> party"? And the second they lost power, they stopped being a fascist party? And all the supporters stopped being fascist. Mussolini probably wasn't even a fascist when he died since the fascists were out of power at that stage.

And people alive now who praise Mussolini, and believe what he believed, can't be fascists because there isn't a dictator in power. Even if we found someone who called themselves fascist and believed the ideology completely, they can't be a fascist?

It sounds like you're trying really hard to avoid calling a fascist a fascist.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119672689#Comment_119672689

That's your argument? You're not in Myanmar fighting the junta. So you're pro genocide. You're not fighting islamic extremists. So you must be pro militant jihad. You're not in Ukraine fighting Russians, so you're pro russian. But you're also not there fighting Ukrainians, so you must be pro Ukrainian. Jesus, it must be hard being in your head.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674671#Comment_119674671

How do you come for someone that is not there. Jebus. 🤪

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674697#Comment_119674697

🫣🫣🫣

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674698#Comment_119674698

So as per we get no answer. That's very odd. Can I say their coming for my classic car collection.. That I don't have.

cheese sandwich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668904#Comment_119668904

It’s not just their grandparents. Meloni was a member of the MSI, which was the successor to Mussolini’s party and essentially fascist, albeit it had reconciled itself to democracy by the 70s or 80s.

I don’t think it’s accurate to describe her as a fascist now, but at the same time she is clearly winking at those Italians who still are sympathetic towards fascism - she has retained the symbol of the MSI and her slogan of “God, Family, Fatherland” is pure far-right catnip.

It’s probably true to say that not all FdI voters are fascist, but all the fascists vote for FdI.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674645#Comment_119674645

Brothers of Italy was tiny four years ago, their rhetoric was much more extreme, they've toned it down for the election.

Maybe they've miraculously changed their position in that short time or maybe they've become smart enough to act moderate enough to get into power. We'll see, I know where my money is.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674694#Comment_119674694

You use the word fascist 12 times in a short post.

Fascism is a branch of Socialism, a modified version, it was just as brutal and murderous to people and Societies were largely the same for the people trapped in them.

Socialists and Fascists share the same outlook and personality type, that more than their shared history make them so destructive.

Meloni's platform is essentially that of a 1960s Social Democrat.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674728#Comment_119674728

I have said it before and will say it again the only reason their calling them this name is their Eurosceptic. Anyone/party in the EU that has been this gets called one of 2 names. They really cant handle people wanting to leave the club.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674591#Comment_119674591

This is a big part of the reason we are seeing political shifts all over the place.

People are getting tired of tiny minorities getting preferential treatment, just because they stomp their feet and scream the loudest.

I don't think most people are anti lgbt or anti foreigner etc. Just a bit sick of their views and opinions being ignored/disregarded in society, in favour of the loudmouths and woke brigade who seem to hog a disproportionate amount of the public discourse.

This situation was never going to end well in our societies. You could see the undercurrent of discontent bubbling up for many years now.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674705#Comment_119674705

This is silly. Your logic makes no sense at all.

Your claim is there is no immigrants yet you are asking how can they come for the immigrants when there is no immigrants.

The answer is

Spoiler Warning

Work it out yourself. Think logically through what you are saying.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674754#Comment_119674754

Probably an element of that. It's also down to anger at the working class not knowing their place and voting for those who are there to lead them in Left parties.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674769#Comment_119674769

I'm thinking logically just fine. They have not said there going after any immigrants just not wanting more in. I can't help if that's not understood. Now If i'm wrong care to link a policy that states there bundling people into cars and tossing them out ?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674728#Comment_119674728

We don't know much about Meloni, and that's her power. Yes, as a youth she was a member of a group founded by Mussolini supporters, yes she is aligned with racists like Salvini, all the usual red flags are there, but she gets the benefit of the doubt from the voters because she's relatively new. If she wants to present herself as the "reasonable Italian mother", she can. Those who are more savvy in Italian politics are quite cynical about her, so we'll see.

To use an analogy, there are far-left and far-right posters on boards who pose as "moderates", in the beginning that works, over time it becomes quite obvious. Italian voters are notoriously fickle, we'll see what they think of her in 6 months :)

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674804#Comment_119674804

And if there is a groundswell of support for policy being implemented ? Will Italy be labeled a Fascist state ?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674220#Comment_119674220

Unelected bureaucrat tries to intimidate the Italian voters before an election. Ve haf tools if things don't go in ze right direction. . . . And I thought it was the Italians who had the mafia. Currently, the EU is looking to cut €7.5 billion in funding for Hungary and is blocking EU Recovery Funds from both Hungary and Poland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuvIiEVyQQ

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674818#Comment_119674818

Is the US an insurrectionist state because a certain US president fueled the crazies? No, but it is concerning and it is dangerous.

Fringe populists are not the best people to have in power when things aren't going well for them, or when world events take a turn.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674863#Comment_119674863

What is it called when you make fun of someone from another country for their accent?

Also why do you and euro news have a different understanding of what was said in your typed quote?

You have "dont go in the right direction" and I heard and the clip has it for the captions "go in the right direction".

No "dont"

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119674573#Comment_119674573

Its not gdp its the paying of current pensions. Sure they should be paid by historical pension contributions paid by indidviduals or taken from previous years taxes but in reality some of the current tax income is going into it. Also socially its not good if society is mostly made of older people. You see how in uk particularly the older generation are more active voters and have voted for policies have been beneficial more for them rather than the younger generation.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119675002#Comment_119675002

Hmm what is it called it's not Racism or do black Germans not exist ? We know full well what the phase means. Let's not play silly games. I would stay clear of 'Allo 'Allo! 😁 in the future.