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Irish Under-20's 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Another great win. And another outing for the Ireland Grand Slam 2023 presentation boards, they're getting their money's worth out of those. First ever back to back grand slam by any team in the Under 20s as well. Plenty of talent there for the academies to get their hands on, some of them in the system already of course.

    Number one work-on ahead of the JWC - restarts. Been an issue all through the championship.

    Lewis Chessum's Wiki entry getting the treatment I see!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    See the spinmaster is in action again tonight, exact same few songs as yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    He's a kid. Bit of an eejit with his reaction, but would hate to see a pile on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    I don't think there'll be too much of a pile on. But he's probably made a name for himself in the future among Irish supporters, and not in a good way.

    To be fair to him he looks a big talent, he just needs to cool it a bit. I expect we'll be seeing more of him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭A-Train


    What a brilliant weekend for Irish men’s rugby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭Strand1970


    Just not enough places for those players to be sloting into urc squads especially leinster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭timothydec77


    There is currently no Provincial Rugby A Competiton since the end of B and I and Celtic Cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Nucifora mentioned last November that it was a priority to him that there should be a way to get gametime for players who are not getting it in the URC. A few A games a season isn't enough imo.

    I notice that Scotland is expanding their semi professional Super Series (with an U20 team taking part in one of the Super Series events and an Edinburgh A and Glasgow A taking part in the other super series event). Wales is talking about a semi professional league above their premiership.

    Whatever about playing AIL division 1 I note that 4 members of the extended squad are playing 2B and six are playing 2A.

    Corinthians (2B) {3 players}, Ballymena(2A){1 player}, Queens (2A){3 players}, Old Crescent (2A) {1 player}, UL Bohemians (2A) {1 player}, Galwegians (2B) {1 player}.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    He does alright.

    Look at us all at 18/19/20. Hormones still settling, tough guys...he acted a bit of a gobshite. Leave him be. He's a kid.

    I won't remember this if he makes the senior team. He had done nothing mad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Playing division 2 shouldnt be an issue if they have other rugby to play as well. Connacht only have 1 AIL 1 club and it wont always be possible for players to play division 1. 2A especially is a good standard and top division 2A sides are usually more than able and capable of division 1B sides. Nenagh are currently 2nd in 2A and it took a very late surge from Young Munster to beat them in the senior cup final on thursday

    And players in Connacht should as much as possible be playing in Connacht clubs and need to if in academy in Connacht and in college in Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Thats fair. I do agree Connacht players should play in Connacht as much as possible.

    A division 1A player may be able to say the AIL is sufficient for development and will get them ready for URC. Maybe it wouldn't be. I'm not sure.

    A 2B would not be able to say that. They definitely need to rely on other rugby.

    3 provincial A games (which is what the provinces played this year iirc) is not sufficient as a bridge.

    As I said theres a big challenge on Nucifora to find additional gametime between AIL level and provincial URC teams.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭timothydec77


    I have believed for a long time that a second tier competion should be established outside the club structures.

    "Team Cork" " Team Derry" etc



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dunno if anyone watched the Wales - France U20 game this season which Virgin Media 2 broadcast for some reason, but it featured some of the most outrageous long range tries you’ll ever see.

    Tackling was optional for parts of it, but some of the execution from the young French packs at top speed was incredible to see.

    The French full back, Louis Bielle-Biarrey (plays for Bordeaux) was absolutely electric. Incredible pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    There’s a lot of merit in that - but there’s a huge challenge in how to do so without further downgrading the standing of the club game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Virgin broadcast it in case Ireland lost to England.


    We would have been waiting for results in that game to determine if we won a championship.


    Virgin felt that possibility would generate enough interest to be worth broadcasting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    VM2 is only in SD not HD via Saorview which in 2023 is ridiculous. Why no HD via an aerial? Same with VM1 which had Ireland vs England yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,087 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    It would be great if they could get another second tier tournament like the B&I Cup going as Ireland certainly has lots of very talented lads in need of high level games. Maybe the Welsh could pair up their pro sides if they don't carry enough players (Scarlets + Ospreys and Cardiff + Dragons). With the four Irish teams and two Scottish, that would give a nice, neat two groups of 4 or else play a straight league with each team getting 7 games.

    Would the Saffer pro teams have second teams which would be interested or would it be too expensive and too much hassle for that level of rugby? I guess their second string and young players get a good level of rugby in the Currie Cup.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭timothydec77


    For the above reason nothing will be done.

    In five years time people will be having the same conversation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    While it's always pleasing to win, especially against England, it's even more pleasing to do it at under 20s age grade in recent years.

    The structure of the schooling in England means their lads are typically bigger much younger and they come every year with a significant size advantage.

    England staff have obviously been coaching a "size matters" approach trying to employ flat track bully one out runner tactics and time again over recent years, Ireland have shown them that skills beat size more often than not. Especially in how the game is evolving.

    And it was on show again tonight. Tip on passes, good structure for screen plays, play at pace, play from anywhere, back your skills. Such wonderful rugby to behold.

    I know he's only a kid but Chessum embarrassed himself tonight. He's the captain and he's getting in players faces after the final whistle. Exuberance of youth is a thing and it's not going to tar my future opinion on him as I'm sure he will learn.

    But he is a legal adult and captain of his country. There is no justification in that moment for his actions, he simply must be better than that. If me or my captain did that at any age grade in any sport in any game of any circumstance we would be absolutely lambasted by our coaches and then further lambasted by our parents in the car.

    But it's a perfect embodiment of England age grade rugby. Get the biggest lads to come with brawn over brain and get in the faces of more skilled players who want to play the game.

    I'm sure he will learn from it and come back better. He has a huge amount of potential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Ireland were brilliant again. Everyone of them put in a big showing. England had a massive pack. The sub 2nd row is 6ft 11in. That's the size of Toner! Chessmaster isn't far off that either.

    Some serious talent coming in. I reckon there's some of these lads that will have long careers. Maybe a couple of international players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    The Ireland U19s will play two fixtures against Japan with a different squad set to line out in the second fixture on Sunday 26th March at the same venue. The Ireland U19s will also play two games against France at the start of April.


    A squad of 24 is preparing for Wednesday’s fixture at the IRFU High Performance Centre under the tutelage of head coach Mark Butler (Munster Rugby) and assistant coaches Andrew Browne (Connacht Rugby) and Johnny Graham (Ulster Rugby)


    The first game between the two sides kicks off at 2.40pm on Wednesday 22nd March at Terenure RFC, Lakelands while the second fixture kicks off at 6.00pm on Sunday 26th March at the same venue.


    Ireland U19 Men Squad

    Theo Bishop (IQ Rugby/Hartpury College)

    Tadhg Brophy (Leinster/Newbridge College)

    David Colbert (Leinster/Dublin University FC)

    Adam Deay (Leinster/Lansdowne FC)

    Ethan Graham (Ulster/Ballynahinch RFC)

    Sean Hopkins (Connacht/St Muredach’s College/Ballina RFC)

    Ben Howard (Leinster/St Michael’s College)

    Stephen Kiely (Munster/Old Crescent RFC)

    Tom Larke (Leinster/St. Columbas College/Old Wesley RFC)

    Mark Lee (Ulster/Rainey Old Boys RFC)

    Ben McFarlane (Ulster/Methodist College)

    James McKillop (Ulster/Foyle College)

    Jack Murphy (Leinster/Presentation College Bray) vice captain

    Sean Naughton (Leinster/Kilkenny College)

    Luke O’Connor (Leinster/Lansdowne FC)

    James O’Loughlin (Leinster/Naas RFC)

    Jake O’Riordan (Munster/St. Munchin’s College)

    Oisin Pepper (Munster/St. Munchin’s College)

    Jacob Sheahan (Munster/UCC RFC)

    Charlie Sheridan (Leinster/Naas RFC)

    Stephen Smyth (Leinster/Kilkenny College) captain

    Zac Solomon (Ulster/Belfast Harlequins RFC)

    Josh Stevens (Ulster/Methodist College)

    Richard Whelan (Leinster/Cistercian College Roscrea)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I don't recognize any one except Solomon. Are there players missing? I though Gleeson was u19?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Gleeson has started all 5 under 20 games. He doesnt need to play this. It would be a waste of development time to play Gleeson or any other players eligible for 19s who played a bit for the under 20s

    there is another squad to be named for the next games against France. you dont recognise players from what?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I meant I don't know anything about them except Solomon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    I'm guessing they've left out players who played in the schools cup finals to allow for better recovery and time to train together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    yes probably same with some youths players who are still contesting their principal provincial competitions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,639 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Jacob Sheehan came off the bench for the 19's a few times. I just follow the local players so I would have been looking for Ben O'Connor, Sean Edogbo (not sure if he is injured?) and Gene O'Leary Kareem. Hopefully they get a run out in the Saturday game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    I think its the aim of the test.


    There's no tournament for the u19s so really it's a chance for the people who aren't locked in (u20s and academy) to impress a little.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    Irish rugby on a high! What a spectacle of open fun style rugby, this team looked more All Blacks than what we would have traditionally expected from Ireland. Pack just beyond awesome, Prendergast / Gunne a dream combo, and skill in spades in that back line , Gavin, McErlean, Cooney unreal. Best 23 squad in history of Irish u20 imo



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    Agree Rogwort best ever

    don’t get why some feel the need to throw in the negative bias, they’ve given us so much fun and we should relish the moment and be proud of this immense talent

    theyre young playing at almost professional level, in a very competitive environment , the least we should do given these are public forums is feed confidence, not blast our talent before it fully develops



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    Well said ! It’s NZ style all the way , Murphy & coaching staff have been superb



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    That was a criminal tackle , as red a card as I have ever seen, and I say that as someone who didn’t feel the card on Saturday was a fair assessment, interested to hear what the panel conclude



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    If there was a redder card, they'd have got it.

    I don't think anything malicious in it, but sweet jebus!



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    is this for real?! Passing / snipe / strength / speed excellence, overall a massive contribution and key player in this squad to bring home a grand slam victory



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    I really hope they find a way of getting Andrew Osborne into the XV for the JWC, the brief time he had he looked like a potential match winner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    I can’t find dates for JWC can anyone help I haven’t seen a post thank you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    From googling it looks to be from the 15th-30th July in South Africa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭CORMACREYN


    That's the second tier U-20 Trophy tournament which is being played in Kenya. The Junior World Cup is being played in South Africa from June 24th to July 14th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    Last year's 20's came in under the radar. There was no SCT so people couldn't get a look at any of the players early. We were relying on the AIL to develop them essentially and they won a slam. This years team similarly got picked largely on AIL form. Since they did away with that awful B&I cup the AIL has kicked on a level and proven to be an excellent nursery for players out of school.

    You look at clontarf/Terenure etc and it's made up of players who spent time in the pro game or else currently on the fringes or academies of the provinces. It's providing a great competition for the developing talent.

    No need to revive B&I cup for these lads. Another emerging Ireland tour at the right time of the season would do the job nicely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    oh that’s great thank you very much , this weekend has just made it even more of an excitement and priority , we have so much to look forward to this year



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    😂 your intentions were very much appreciated



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Fully agree. I think Gunne showed control and ability beyond his years this tournament.

    He was heralded as one of the brightest schools prospects in years and this has possibly skewed some peoples opinion on him.

    Also possible that he's being compared to his half back partner Prendergast who had a superstar showing in every game.

    I think he was mature to just get on with his jobs. Don't force too much himself and facilitate others.

    His passing reminds me a lot of Doaks. Not tremendously quick but bloody consistent. Something we haven't seen from a Leinster underage 9 in living memory.

    His kicking game is also extremely accomplished. When his exits were on the money which many were, he was getting us 40m territory. Extremely difficult skill to have and something that the likes of Casey don't manage on a consistent level.

    And I think Prendergast can give at least some credit of his accomplishments to Gunne. Every big moment he had started with getting the ball on a plate. He passes off the deck really well which bought Sam the extra seconds.

    I'm excited for him at Leinster. I'd rate him higher than Foley, O'Sullivan, Patterson, Ben Murphy and Nick McCarthy at the same age grade. He has a lot to work on. But I'm confident he can make it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭johnh6767


    Here is the match schedule & groups , only 3 months away



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