Why is there hostility towards centrists on social media?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750597#Comment_119750597

neoliberal polices have been implemented by both the left and right, over the last few decades, hence why the so called left is completely flummoxed on what to do about it.....

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751018#Comment_119751018

Where do I fall on the spectrum I wonder?

Big dorms and sending prisoners to live on an island? Firmly right-wing with fascistic tendencies.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751097#Comment_119751097

Both completely optional.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751097#Comment_119751097

It honestly sounds more like Soviet Russia than anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751379#Comment_119751379

It kind of does I suppose.

Lots of fair welfare, dorms for homeless people, and harsh treatment for violent criminals. What's not to like.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748767#Comment_119748767

I wouldn't bother interacting with them. They appear to have no knowledge of politics or history anyway.

@nullzero

"I never said any of those things" @nullzero - he knows that, it's part of his strategy to list all these things people didn't say or even imply, to wind them up and laugh at.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751670#Comment_119751670

You don’t need to directly say something to imply it. If a person uses only historical communist regimes as examples of tyrannical governments it’s perfectly reasonable to point out that they’re implying communism has a monopoly on tyranny. That’s not trolling, and accusing someone of trolling for reading into a perfectly obvious implication is trolling itself, and arguing in bad faith.

But of course you already know that.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750401#Comment_119750401

The reason I pointed out that accusing you of being right wing would feed into your persecution complex is because it would, and for the second time you make out that I’m accusing you of being right wing when I didn’t, and I don’t, because I wouldn’t characterise you as being right wing.

I wouldn’t characterise you as moderate, or centrist if you like, and I’m basing that assessment upon just your list of what you would do if you had the authority. In order to implement your ideas, you couldn’t be moderate, you’d have to work within the constraints of the current political framework where there isn’t any accommodation for moderates who, by virtue of the fact that they identify themselves as moderate, or centrist - they are opposed to the idea of upsetting the apple cart, or supporting policies that create massive shifts to either the left or the right. Banning members of the Dáil from voting on the issues you don’t want them to vote on is neither left, right nor moderate, it’s just authoritarian.

At best, I could characterise you as being the current online grifters favourite term when they fall out of favour with their former political allegiances - ‘politically homeless’. I couldn’t characterise you as an anarchist because that implies there might be some method to the madness of your proposals, that there is some foundation upon which they are built, but I don’t think there is. It’s as though you appear to want to rip up the Constitution and start again, or ignore the constraints of the Constitution completely, in order that you do you. I’d characterise your efforts as those of the far-left, but you’ll probably balk at that suggestion 😂

Your post exemplifies why people who self-identify as centrist or moderate, or neither left nor right are frustrating, because their ideas aren’t based upon any sort of precedent or foundation, and they have no real idea what they want to achieve, or what sort of a society they wish to bring about - economically, socially or politically. It’s just pie in the sky stuff. I don’t appreciate having to entertain people when I have no idea where they’re either coming from, or where they’re going, and in my experience, moderates, or centrists, tend to want to stand still - they’re in favour of maintaining the status quo which suits them, and oppose any kind of change in society.

That doesn’t mean I bear any hostility toward centrists, leftists or anyone who doesn’t share my political views, they’re frustrating, but they’re not any sort of credible threat to anyone other than themselves.

Galwayguy35

I wonder which politicial parties see themselves as centrist.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751728#Comment_119751728

Whatever about how they see themselves, any party that's described as rightwing by clowns on the left, and as lefty liberals by jokers on the right, is neither. E.g. Fine Gael. Very much a centrist party.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752149#Comment_119752149

I really don't get this. FG, much like FF, are on every bandwagon when it comes to left wing social issues, yet they are in the center? No one would call parties who do the same with ring wing social issues centrist, they'd likely even be called "far right".

I wouldn't describe them as leftwing overall, but they're FAR from rightwing, as idiots claim.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752271#Comment_119752271

Agreed. The right wing claim seems to be largely because they are capitalists, or "neo liberals" as many call them now. And neo liberals are supposedly right wingers, or so they say.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752329#Comment_119752329

Yes, economically they are to the right... bar a fairly generous welfare pot. When I'd see pillocks (both right and left) foaming at the mouth about Leo V for no coherent reason, while in receipt of PUP... pigheaded stupidity.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751670#Comment_119751670

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752271#Comment_119752271

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752343#Comment_119752343

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748962#Comment_119748962

So I have a question for the OP: is this a conversation for discussing centrism and criticizing the hostility on social media or is it simply a vessel for inciting such hostilities by constantly slagging the “others” you are othering all across the thread with colorful insults?

given the title of the thread I find this MO peculiar. Are you trying to summon the very hostilities you are complaining about by producing hostilities of your own I don’t understand.

many I suggest: if this is how you constantly talk about other people on social media that may be why you experience so much “hostility” on social media - the point of the thread. I think we’ve cracked it.

The first one I don't understand why you're including that when all it is is highlighting a member's very deliberate strategy (of misrepresenting people) that is exceptionally clear to see.

The rest of it - I asked the question at the start to see why there can be hostility towards centrists, if there are any genuine arguments for this. No answers with reasonable grounds (one now banned loon said if they had a gun with two bullets to shoot a fascist and a centrist they'd shoot the centrist twice) were forthcoming so then I gave my views. And yes, they're negative. I think people who have a huge problem with centrists are just stupid and pigheaded, and resentful of our critical thinking skills, and can't cope with people not picking a side. The latest one I saw is a far right twat on Twitter. Watching him twist himself into knots with just insults while others calmly take him down is a joy to behold.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752500#Comment_119752500

I included the first one because you’re accusing others of winding people up to laugh at them. But I see that MO in all your posts about all sorts of people types you’ve othered.

If you don’t have the same strategy why do you have the same strategy is my question. You’re doubling down right now with the insults.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752508#Comment_119752508

Nail on the head.

https://gfycat.com/forkedsoupyamericanwirehair-explosives-all-tags-concrete-raytheon

I think people who have a huge problem with centrists are just stupid and pigheaded, and resentful of our critical thinking skills, and can't cope with people not picking a side.

this line in particular shows a lack of critical thinking and fallacious arguments. Hasty conclusions, sweeping generalizations, speaking for a grand unspecified number of others, etc.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752608#Comment_119752608

“Twat” was another one.

That poster loves accusing me of bullying, when I have never bullied a single person in my life. I’m pretty sure I never called anyone an idiot or a twat or a moron or anything like that, bar public figures such Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk etc.

nullzero

Funny how we have someone defending the honor of a person who is happy to assign beliefs to people with nothing other than their own biases as evidence and make their own sweeping generalisations about others.

These issues are always polarising but the level of dou le think that goes on all around is astonishing.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752953#Comment_119752953

Who's honor am I allegedly defending?

The OP of this thread is complaining about attitudes in social media that they harbor themselves, it's prima facie in their posts. All I've done is cop to that and ask why they are doing that.

These issues are always polarising but the level of dou le think that goes on all around is astonishing.

Indeed, much like someone complaining about hostility on social media engaging in hostilities on social media, calling people pigheaded, being abusive to other members so much so it required thread moderation, etc.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752953#Comment_119752953

I don’t really understand why you’re still so chippy about our interaction yesterday when all I have ever done is contradict you when you kept implying Communist countries are the only tyrannical governments in town.

If you that annoys you so much you should stop making that implication, such as when you said Ads by Google’s authoritarian fantasies reminded you of the Soviet Union. Again, I say all of this as someone who is decidedly not a Communist.

I don’t know what it is but some posters, and I include the OP in this, really need to put their egos aside and get over the fact that someone will contradict them or correct them when they are wrong. It’s not a personal attack, it’s not trolling, it’s not bullying. It’s debate. It’s discussion. It’s the exchange of ideas.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119752997#Comment_119752997

Unfortunately the OP has prima facie decided, as recorded in as many posts above, that anyone who isn't a centrist like them is simply an idiot, pigheaded, etc. and worthy of open derision - 'but why doesn't anyone like 'centrists' on social media? Why is everyone so hostile?'

I posit the problem is not Centrism.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753060#Comment_119753060

Anyone who "hates" centrists, not anyone who isn't a centrist like I am. That's very dishonest of you OH?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753067#Comment_119753067

Does anyone "hate" centrists?

Is this a real problem or a strawman purpose made to drag this thread along

Has anyone on this thread, in 178 posts, expressed hatred and derision for centrism and centrists particularly? Can you give us any examples of this hate-speech? The OP of this thread was certainly incredibly bare on details even on what kind of 'hate' you were trying to import into thread to openly discuss.

"'but why doesn't anyone like 'centrists' on social media? Why is everyone so hostile?'

I posit the problem is not Centrism."

But I'm talking about people whom I haven't engaged with, whom I see attacking others for being centrists. So... um... le fail again.

And do address Nullzero's point: why come down so hard on me but not the people who posted (long before I gave my view) "Centrists are simply people who won't admit they're right-wing neoliberal types, whether it be cowardice or they're just too thick to realise it. They're too slow to realise that the Blair/Ahern/Clinton neoliberal "end of history" era is over, and it's never coming back" and "I’ve always thought “centrist” was just a euphemism for people who are too ashamed of their right leaning views. People saying things like ‘oh, I’d be socially left but economically right’. As if to apologise and say I’m not all bad".

Okee?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753087#Comment_119753087

But I'm talking about people whom I haven't engaged with, whom I see attacking others for being centrists. So... um... le fail again.

lol so let me clarify you're not injured by any 'attacks on centrists' but you started this thread anyone to bemoan it?

Your OP lacked any evidence of such. "Is it because they appear to be devils' advocates? Fence sitters? Bothsides-ers?"

Can you evidence these attacks on people for being centrists? That seems central to the whole thread. But you've spent vastly more time just referring to these 'others' who have not been cited or heard from as being pigheaded etc.

Hence: Strawman Argument. As though you've made up fantasy persons out of whole cloth to bemoan and call pig headed to self validate that 'centrists are the real critical thinkers' etc. - bereft of appreciation for the irony.

 why come down so hard on me

Is this 'coming down hard?' To ask you bare questions to the OP about their thread and the thread MO?

OP of thread complains about hostilities on social media, openly engages in hostilities in social media.

That's the interest to me, not centrism per se. We all overlap with centrism in some form right. I spoke to this days earlier on the thread and have been on the lurk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753070#Comment_119753070

People who hate centrists are whom I've always meant. Nothing changed in that regard - why are you pretending this is just a new thing from me? And as I've said already (weird how you ignore) this doesn't relate to people here - moreso Twitter. An anger at level-headed people. Apart from one here all right who's now banned - the guy (whom I already mentioned) that talked about using two bullets on a centrist.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

That “if I had was locked in a room with two people I hate and had two bullets I would shoot X person twice” is a really old joke. There’s no way that person said it and mean it.

But anyway Overheal, you did lie that I said "people who aren't centrists like me" - apology accepted.

I started a thread about hostility towards centrists on social media that I've noticed for some time. And asked why people think this is. No real reason was given, as I suspected, so I gave my reasons as to why I reckon they're so weirdly hostile to people who examine all angles. My opinion is that it's people on the far right and far left, not anyone here. Just extremists. So on whose behalf are you getting defensive?

Otherwise, the rest of your post above is just imagined stuff.

Could you... do me a favour and get back to me on why you're taking exception to me having a go at extremists but are totally fine with the two posters I quoted making stuff up? Ta.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753108#Comment_119753108

People who hate centrists are whom I've always meant

So, are there any examples of this or is it all just smoke, mirrors, and strawmen?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753144#Comment_119753144

I was happy to leave my conversation with you yesterday but another poster has arrived here and changed the narrative to "Poor CGI Livia Soprano" which is utter nonsense.

What are you talking about??

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753144#Comment_119753144

Disagreeing with my interpretation, call it a misinterpretation if you like, is one thing but you’re completely throwing a strop over it. Same as the op throwing a strop and hurling abuse at people just for committing the crime of disagreeing with her.

Also Overheal hasn’t been defending me whatsoever. That is definitely a misinterpretation on your part.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753148#Comment_119753148

You've noticed it "for some time" but cannot exemplify it?

I have neither lied nor offered any apologies. If you wish to accuse me of a lie please demonstrate it. If you don't know what paraphrasing is I cannot assist.

I'm not "defensive" on anyone's behalf, I read across your thread attacking 'people who hate centrists' as very many colorful and derisive epithets, and it occured to me, this is the very behavior your are trying to denounce in your messaging on the thread as well. It strikes me as logically incongruent and I wanted to challenge it.

Fancy telling me direct quotes from you are "imagined stuff" while you have not supplied for this thread any of the "hostility on social media" you are citing as your evidence to drive the thread along.

27 posts into this thread some troll/sockpuppet of someone tries to troll the thread, given the chronology, I don't think this is what you meant. Surely you have examples older than the OP that are worth discussing in detail?

If the OP cannot face these challenges about the central purpose of the thread without deflecting to 'why don't you attack so and so' well...

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753162#Comment_119753162

Disagreeing with your interpretation?

That's not what I'm doing, I'm taking issue with you completely misrepresenting me.

Everyone else is unreasonable apart from you? Is that what you're peddling?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753212#Comment_119753212

 I'm taking issue with you completely misrepresenting me.

If I may null: if this bothers you you would do well do dispense with routinely putting words in other people's mouth (See above). Drop the loaded questions and just talk with people about your mutual disagreements like you were sitting across from each other at dinner?

If not for you for example I'd have no idea I was rushing to defend the honor of so and so, above.

Sure everyone can relate to some form of centrism so it's not as though we're all incapable of mutual agreements.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753226#Comment_119753226

Post an example of me routinely putting words in other people's mouths please. I'm assuming there are examples on this thread?

Edit : actually don't bother I have you on ignore for a reason and I'm not getting into hassle over yet another endless boring exchange between us two.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753186#Comment_119753186

By implication you are defending that guy by not saying a word about his abuse and misrepresentation (that he pretends is "just disagreeing"). And you are all buddy buddy with him with your "nail on the head" stuff. That's part of the hypocrisy I meant earlier. Yet jumping on me for giving my assessment of extremists, which you presumably don't have time for either. It's something I have noticed on social media numerous times. What spurred me to start the thread was someone posting "it was all insufferable centrists" who complained about the footballers who chanted up the ra. Or some rightwing gimp who said on Twitter "you spineless centrists would rather attack your ally than attack lefties". I can't think of all of them.

You're very much twisting what I'm saying. Which is very unfair behaviour. Borderline cyber bullying.

PS - yes you did lie by saying I was referring to all who are not centrists like me, when I did no such thing.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753255#Comment_119753255

Borderline cyber bullying.

There we go.

Overheal

Certainly, Null, I'd be happy to treatise:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119746509#Comment_119746509

Here you inform @EmmetSpiceland that really, their opinion is you're a Nazi, when they never said that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119747532#Comment_119747532

You inform @CGI_Livia_Soprano that, contrary to their free will and personal choices, they are unwilling to listen to differing opinions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119747605#Comment_119747605

And again, alternate prose

Oh I thanked #121 the other night BTW. See we do overlap.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748255#Comment_119748255

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753282#Comment_119753282

For clarity I never said that EmmetSpiceland called me a Nazi, I replied to them and they didn't reply to me at all so I'm not sure how they could have called me anything seeing that they didn't directly address me at any point. I was exaggerating to make a point with that statement, if you want to take issue with that fire ahead but putting words in the mouth of EmmetSpiceland isn't something I could reasonably be accused on doing.

CGI_Livia_Soprano is unwilling to listen to differing opinions, this was alluded to by Ancapailldorcha who is incidentally one of the most left leaning (in my opinion) mods on this site. Again I didn't put words in their mouth I made a statement based on evidence.

I think that's enough from the two of us on this, let's spare everyone the usual passive aggressive war of attrition we usually end up embroiled in.

Take care of yourself.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753347#Comment_119753347

No war of attrition here. We've already incidentally agreed once ITT it may happen again.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753355#Comment_119753355

I'm honestly not sure where you're going with this. I asked you to substantiate hate speech etc. toward centrists on social media and you continue to demand deflection.

You proceeded to tell me actually I "love" the views of @EmmetSpiceland and @CGI_Livia_Soprano when quite frankly, I don't engage with these accounts nearly often enough to understand what their views are or whether I love them or not.

Is it really too much to ask of the OP to substantiate the subject matter of the thread and the Original Post via. giving examples of "people who hate centrists" hate speech against centrists on social media etc. that you have alleged exist - the very things which, I can only up to this point assume, were the very impetuses for producing the thread and the original post?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058267389/why-is-there-hostility-towards-centrists-on-social-media

[Citation Needed]

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119741965#Comment_119741965

The people you listed think nothing like you. What's sold to us today as 'centrist' is globalist, neo-libcon, expansionist f*ck everything for hail the markets in a fake goody-two-shoes, woke, climate, let's all be sensible disguise.

Overheal

For the interest of 'balance' as requested, and trying to keep OP's thread on its rails allow me to meekly note I had already previously reported a post from @CGI_Livia_Soprano as well and it was subsequently removed, so. 'Balance' had already been achieved. I didn't think the thread deserved to be a bashfest. I'm still trying to cut through to the central topic: exemplification of hostility (especially "Hate" and hate speech etc) toward centrists on social media. I'm sure there must be ample examples from beyond the boards platform we could constructively discuss without fraying anyone personally? Users on here attritioning each other as Null neatly put it, doesn't cut into that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753477#Comment_119753477

How dafuq could centrists be woke?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753488#Comment_119753488

Is the state of being woke exclusively non-centrist? We have very poor definitions even for the term Woke, other than AFAIK being situationally and politically aware of other people and their adversities. By definition wouldn't a centrist be 'woke' in that framework since most of the time centrism is factoring in many facets or viewpoints to determine what the political centroid even is.

CalamariFritti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119753488#Comment_119753488

Woke is mainstream now is it not? Or if not woke itself at least its advocacy? You certainly would be pushed into the bold fringes corner if you were openly anti-woke.

Also very encouraging tone in your opening reply. Basically begging for a nice exchange.