The ugly side of Ukraine joining the EU

Ubbquittious · 20-10-2022 1:05pm #1

Ukraine will be forced to enact all EU regulation currently in existence and that will make it a lot easier for big incumbent EU countries to roll in and exploit them

*They will be forced to adopt the same disasterous privatised Thatcherite electricity/telecoms market that we're stuck with.

*They'll have to allow foreign fishing boats into their water

*All their old LADA's will have to come off the road and be replaced with shiny new EV's from Stellantis and VAG which ordinary Ukrainian folk will have to pay for

*The likes of Veolia/Sodexho will be given a free pass to swoop in

*Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps.

*Prices of everything will shoot up through the roof for Ukranians, house prices (currently about 10,000e for a house) will skyrocket as Europeans flood in.

All in all the country will become a playground for big companies from France and Germany

ancapailldorcha · 20-10-2022 1:37pm

Conspiracy nonsense.

Yurt2 · 20-10-2022 2:06pm

Lol at the Ukrainian houseprices. Are you expecting Western Europeans to migrate to Poltava Oblast en-masse?

GM228 · 20-10-2022 4:23pm

"Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps"

Possibly one of the single biggest issues for any nation to join the EU is adapting to the various standards for goods and services, but they already did so under the Association Agreement (including the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA)) since 2017.

Ukraine is already the 15th biggest EU trade partner which is fairly impressive considering there are 216 trade partners.

As for the rest, refer to post #2.

Cordell · 20-10-2022 4:27pm

Nonsense, poor and corrupt eastern European countries, and with all my sympathy for them they are both, benefited hugely from joining the EU. I should know because I'm from one of them countries.

20-10-2022 4:29pm

There was a "Friends of Ukraine " conference in Switzerland a while ago..this process is already progressing full steam ahead..it's being sold off, and their labour laws are being gutted so it'll be cheap..

Ramasun · 20-10-2022 4:33pm

It will shift the center of gravity of the EU further East, where some autocratic tendencies remain.

Yurt2 · 20-10-2022 4:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771406#Comment_119771406

Bizzare take. Their labour laws will only increase with adoption of EU standards ahead of accession.

As for sold off cheap? Comical. Since 2014, and accelerating with Zelensky, they have been attempting to de-oligarchize their economy. Wrestling control of pillar industries away from Kremlin-connected creeps that had their fangs deep into the thieved national wealth - All of whome were protected by the former Berkut genadarmerie and secret police, commonly accepted to be paid for and controlled by pro-Russian interests if not the Kremlin itself.

It's one of the primary reasons Putin launched the war, he had a kickback scheme with Ukrainian oligarchs he had in his pocket, and he wasn't letting it go for anything.

You need to know the history son.

20-10-2022 4:39pm

https://socialeurope.eu/ukraine-to-pass-laws-wrecking-workers-rights

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771433#Comment_119771433

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Yurt2 · 20-10-2022 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771446#Comment_119771446

Nice linkdump without commentary, but know that that labour law is in violation of Ukraine's agreements with both the European External Action Service and the European Commission.

European convergance means they'll have to circle back on any labour laws that threaten their candidate status. Indeed, it's even in the link you posted. The EU as a bloc has the strongest protections for labour in the world, and every member has to play ball. No exceptions.

Know the facts before the next linkdump.

Dyr · 20-10-2022 5:34pm

Another massive eastern European country with a huge manufacturing base joining the Visegrad group. The Reason France and Germany put a timeline of decades on Ukraine joining is that their little globalist treehouse is already under severe strain from the east. Ukraine joining would really put a fly in that ointment

handlemaster · 20-10-2022 5:42pm

They are fighting and dying for what the majority in the EU believe in... so that is a big thumbs up for them.

Dyr · 20-10-2022 6:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771693#Comment_119771693

They're fighting for their country. the majority in the EU don't beleive in that

Zebra3 · 20-10-2022 6:47pm

The second most corrupt state in Europe joining the EU? No, thanks.

Laphroaig52 · 20-10-2022 6:47pm

"Any Ukranian company making goods now will find it hard to send their goods into the EU as they probably don't comply with various onerous standards that have been carefully crafted over the years as a protectionist measure for EU megacorps"

This is nonsense.

All goods placed on the EU market must meet the EU market access Directives and Regulations irrespective of where they originated.

That has been the case for decades and is as true of Ukrainian originating products as it is for Chinese, Japanese or US products.

Many of the standards underpinning the EU legislation are based on International Standards which themselves have already been adopted as Ukrainian standards - where they are already enforced rigorously. I am not sure why you would consider such standards - which enable global trade and open markets for manufacturer's all over the world as being "protectionist".

In fact, today it is far more difficult to place products on the Ukrainian market than it is on the EU as they have complex 3rd party certification and local testing requirements that are specific to Ukraine and which add delays and costs for foreign manufacturers.

Joining the EU would mean that Ukraine has to drop these national requirements and embrace EU frameworks market access frameworks such as CE Marking. This would lead to faster market access for high tech products and lower costs for Ukrainian consumers.

xxxxxxl · 20-10-2022 6:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771918#Comment_119771918

Is the first one Greece or Italy ?

magicbastarder · 20-10-2022 6:50pm

the EU does have a fairly market-friendly approach to privatisation, doesn't it? what's the ownership of utility companies, rails, etc., like in Ukraine?

Tonesjones · 20-10-2022 6:50pm

It will cost 100s of billions of Euro which will come from European taxpayers.

In return Ukraine should hand over its natural resources

Oil , gas etc

They have massive untapped reserves

Zebra3 · 20-10-2022 6:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119771926#Comment_119771926

Russia.

20-10-2022 6:56pm

Well, the population will be full of trauma. And the local culture is one of high corruption, and im sure certain underworld ties to Russia will remain. So there may well be a serious Ukrainian mafia within the EU if/when they join. Many will be well trained veterans.

Seriously dangerous weaponry will be sold on the Ukrainian black market and will pass into the eu unrestricted. The powers that be won't find every anti tank rocket, grenade launcher etc. They'll get most, but there'll always be some on sale. Including hardware that can take down aircraft.