Pubs and Clubs to get longer opening hours

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939739#Comment_121939739

scaremongering.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939824#Comment_121939824

Dublin city centre and villages like Smithfield, Stoneybatter, Rathmines etc are still very busy.

Pub quiz nights seem to have taken off in a big way! Not unusual to not get a seat on a wednesday night for a quiz and thats pubs in the suburbs.

Deedsie

I'd be hopeful the later opening hours section of the proposed legislation is removed. Most people wouldn't object if this was specifically limited to large clubs in city centres but it was left too vague and people in smaller towns and villages are worried about their areas being destroyed. The behaviour of some people under the current system can make people living near pubs lives misery. The idea of extending that is obviously not going to be supported.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939836#Comment_121939836

I think the late opening should pass, but it will be optional. So you wont see rural pubs applying for it. It will be a handful of clubs in the cities that will utilise it.

Pretty much all of the other european countries have it, so no reason why we shouldnt also.

It will help stagger peoples leaving times, which means less drunk people on the streets at the same time, easier to get taxis/transport home.

It also means people in the industry can stay out if they choose to do so.

Its a strange one though, as there are already places in Dublin that open until 4ish.

Deedsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939837#Comment_121939837

Exactly, but similar to the recent referendums they left it vague as to what the outcomes might be. No one would object to modernising the bizarre licensing law issues but this is too much and people haven't a clue what the result might be. No party should touch this before an election if they have any sense.

And when you say night time economy and take back the night. Most people realise that in the real world AGS can't really do much, the courts don't do much so if you try to take back the night it will just be spoiled by pissheads and scrotes.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939651#Comment_121939651

The rest of the world will prove you wrong.

How do the staff in London and Berlin cope with 6am or later ?

How do people cope with "mixing with workers" in those countries ?

And if only a few open till 6 so what. Is the law a failure or something if everyone doesn't take it up.

Beechwoodspark

The issue is that the “ah sure be grand” brigade are ignoring that if we were to open pubs and clubs all night - then there are wider societal consequences

Effect on services like

policing,

healthcare/hospitals,

transport (taxis and public transport),

Drink and drug driving

retail (chippers open literally all night?)

Public health (drinking and drugging all night)

Crime (public order from ppl absolutely bananas drunk/drugged, drug dealing)

The pub/club trade itself (would you work minimum wage behind bar for 12 hours up to 6 am then clean up for 2 hours????)

It is simply NOT about the nanny state trying to stop joe and Josephine soap from partying into the early hours due to some Catholic guilt trip or some such silly reason....

Fr Tod Umptious

Is there really a new push back against this?

The thread only got a bump because Michael Ring said that the legislation along with the hate speech legislation should be scrapped by Simon Harris.

Im sure there are loads around here would agree with Ring on the hate speech legislation.

Beechwoodspark

Just on policing alone, how long would the negotiations with the Garda unions to facilitate officers managing crowds on the streets at 4:30am take?

And then will there be buses or taxis for ppl to get home at those hours?? I’m sceptical.

This is before we talk about the consequences on already dysfunctional A&E services having to “cater” for heavily intoxicated ppl requiring treatment at 4:30 am ...

Beechwoodspark

Maybe London, Berlin, Paris can deal with these issues.

Can Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick?

What about rural towns and rural Ireland itself?

Beechwoodspark

My point is there has been minimisation/no consideration whatsoever of the wider societal consequences of letting places open all night.

I listed some of the sectors involved, in earlier post.

But the “sure be grand” brigade ignore this, and instead seem to think “holy Catholic Ireland” is stopping them.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940113#Comment_121940113

Thanks for the advice, you’d want to relax too. Have a good day

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940107#Comment_121940107

There has been consideration. It's just people don't agree with your assessment once they considered it.

I don't see any of your doom and gloom coming to pass and actually think it will ease these problems.

The 6am finish is only a very small part of this anyway and only a few Dublin mega clubs are expected to go for it.

corcaigh07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940141#Comment_121940141

100%, rural Ireland doesn't even have clubs anymore

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939853#Comment_121939853

If it's too expensive and there's no demand then wtf are you worrying about?

Let owners and customers decide.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940076#Comment_121940076

It'll likely or definitely be beneficial to all of the above.

No crowds of people skulling closing time pints then hitting the street all at once.

Fewer people going to house parties and taking drugs because they got turfed out of the pub at a silly hour.

No massive crowds all looking for food or taxis at the same time.

If somebody is stupid enough to drive drunk at 4am, do you think they'd refuse to drive drunk at 12am?

Our licensing laws especially late opening and early closing on Sundays are very much religiously inspired and religiously inspired laws have proven to be a very poor way of running our society.

Dick phelan

Few places will be open until 6 and not many people will stay out until 6. The point is the option should be available. As should the option to buy drink from an off license or supermarket at 9am. We are adults alcohol is either legal or not, if it's legal why should we have any restrictions on what time you can buy it at. One scenario I could see this being good, A lot of big UFC and boxing events are on well past 2 30 am. I'd say you'd get demand for a bar showing it on a big screen. I also think our alcohol issues in comparison to elsewhere are actually overblown, I've seen plenty of drunk and aggressive people abroad. Time to let Irish adults decide for themselves what time they want to have a drink

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940637#Comment_121940637

It was terribly biased, and that joker Yates claiming that license reform was "woke" was beyond a joke

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939828#Comment_121939828

Denial.

Iseedeadpixels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933869#Comment_121933869

That's Boards.ie in general 😂

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121939837#Comment_121939837

But midweek closing time is half 11, the new times would be half 12, which I still think is an hour too short on Friday and Saturday.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121940840#Comment_121940840

I actually wrote an email to McEntee a few years back and one of my suggestions was for a sports licence where bars could open at any time to show sporting events, with a requirement for X amount of screens and a kitchen serving food.

Considering how many of the other suggestions seemed to get watered down versions in this bill, if it does show up I'll know she just robbed my ideas.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941059#Comment_121941059

Allowing everyone to stay in the pub till 1:30 or 2 would lead to a much more pleasant and agro free night out than uprooting everyone and funneling them into one of the few available nightclubs.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941059#Comment_121941059

Is that part of the proposal? to allow last orders until midnight and closing time 00:30, 7 days a week?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941059#Comment_121941059

Part of the proposal is to make the 2:30 late licence a once per year application. Has a few requirements like CCTV that not every pub would have.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941101#Comment_121941101

I think the issue at the moment is that if a bar or pub wants to open until 1am 7 nights per week, they have to apply for a license to do this, every week.

They also have to pay for every night they open late.

I could be wrong, but I dont even think you can apply for an annual license and just pay for a year up front. You have to keep refreshing every week, which seems very anti business.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941131#Comment_121941131

Ya it's one of the many antiquated laws being replaced.

Currently it's assumed late venues are regular venues that are holding special events every single week. Outside of a pain for publicans I hear it is also a drain on court resources.

I wonder was there a similar amount of doom mongering when the chicken is a basket was discontinued.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941131#Comment_121941131

Current setup is every day of every week; a fee for every day and legal costs on top of that

New proposal is once a year, coincident with the renewal of the main liquor licence. It would allow to 2:30, but a pub could clearly decide to only open to 1:00 if they wanted; and it also has an allowance for a judge to issue it to any early time they want.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941108#Comment_121941108

“Regular trading hours will change to 10.30am to 12.30am seven days a week and we are also making permanent the changes introduced during the pandemic to facilitate outdoor service.

So the whole week would be what Friday/Saturday are now.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121941179#Comment_121941179

Thanks. A much more sensible approach.

I believe the total cost for staying open would also reduce, when compared to current costs of later opening?

Is the plan also to abolish the cap on the number of licenses in the State?

I heard that mooted previously and again, that would be a huge step forward.