US Midterms 2022 - Read OP before posting

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853192#Comment_119853192

What on earth are you on about?

As if young voters aren't struggling to find somewhere to live, to protect their own bodily rights, to get paid a fair wage, to be recognised for WHO THEY ARE regardless of how they identify. They already live in the real world, they already feel the effects of the older voters who fall hook line and sinker for all the fearmongering crap that gets plastered all over Facebook, Fox and wherever else, believing what they want to believe rather than looking at the real world as you put it. A lot of these people are boiling frogs, voting for the GOP who are stripping away at their ability to get affordable healthcare, pensions, VA supports and so on.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853194#Comment_119853194

So he's an actual Libertarian. Isn't that the whole idea behind it? Social freedoms?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853221#Comment_119853221

Young people are not more likely to be left or liberal young voters are.

That's why the balance changes as they age because the non left and liberal of that generation become active voters. The liberal ones stay liberal it's just they get joined by others.

Also the nature of what is considered liberal changes. Not being a homophobe was seen as very liberal up until recently for instance now it's standard policy for all major parties.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853192#Comment_119853192

If that was 100% the case then nothing would ever change. In practice, the old people die and take some of their resistance to change with them only to be replaced by young people who take some of the causes they believed in with them. Things constantly shift rather than stay the stagnant shitpool some of the OAPs get all nostalgic about. No doubt many of us will find ourselves on the wrong side of things at some point.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853276#Comment_119853276

Can they be compelled to work for that nominal pay or does it have to be optional?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853326#Comment_119853326

Not true. Whether voter or non-voter, a majority of young people lean left/liberal.

A reason for them not voting is disillusionment because status quo government hasn't represented them.

We've seen a huge change in the US since Bernie Sanders ran in 2016, Sinn Fein are the most popular party for every age group up to 65 and Jeremy Corbyn reinvigorated young voters in Britain and rocketed Labour Party membership to be the largest in Europe.

GenZ are even more left leaning/liberal than millennials.

Give youngsters something to vote for and they'll vote and when they do, they vote left.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853374#Comment_119853374

The rise of Sinn fein is down to FFG being stagnant and not affecting change.

The rise of Labour is down to the conservatives being such a basket case.

Their rise isn't down to their own prowess but because their opposition being fcuk ups

DrumSteve

Growing up and being a conservative may have actually had some basis years back when you had a chance of owning a home and not be priced out of everything. People actually wanted to maintain the social structures that got them where they were.

Nowadays those same systems disadvantage subsequent generations, as the game is rigged against us.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852572#Comment_119852572

To be fair, looking at how the governors like DeWine done compared to Vance and Kemp v Walker, I think candidate quality does matter somewhat still thankfully.

I'd be fearful for Walker in a runoff, no Kemp and he's likely going to have to deal with Trump getting involved and that's a serious issue.

You can see how Kemp stormed it in the primary and general and recent polling where RDS is beating him,,,,,,,Trump is not popular in Georgia whatsoever.

Walker can win a runoff as Georgia is still red with a small r, but he has to be the betting outsider,,,,although I did bet Warnock at 2/1 last night. 😁

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852897#Comment_119852897

I also am gonna have to throw water on Eskimo’s assertion here. Implying Crist was a woke Candidate or DeSantis’ win was a mandate against wokeism is missing the mark.

From a Floridian in my family:

”Charlie Crist "used to be" a Republican... Then he decides to be a Democrat.... ironically DeSantis wins against him... another Republican.... twice. Sounds like the biggest fish story to me..... now... hmmm DeSantis and Trump "were" best buddies... but....hmmm we might run against each other for the presidency... who will win and who will lose? I know who loses already... I'm glad i had my life when i did that's all i can say”

DeSantis winning by double digits in Florida should not be taken as any mandate other than Crist is a chancer.

If DeSantis were to take this win and use it to justify a 2024 campaign built on MAGA and anti wokeness the last 3 elections to the contrary proved that’s not how to win nationally. Too many moderates and independents are opposed and will turnout to vote against the toxicity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853432#Comment_119853432

It's not the sole factor. Nobody is suggesting that it is. There are of course many factors; the economy, inflation, crime, immigration, and so on.

But to deny it's not a factor at all in these elections is to betray the truth.

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119852893#Comment_119852893

Don't think they've recovered yet from the Little Mermaid becoming black. That hit the poor snowflakes hard.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853457#Comment_119853457

Hang on! This is a direct quote from you...

"the principle that combating Woke ideology is an election winner"

That sounds like you are saying that it is "the sole factor"

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853457#Comment_119853457

So why didn't you mention those factors the first time.

Are Boards charging by the character to post ?

MisterAnarchy

Trump claims he knows more about Santis than anybody, other than perhaps his wife.

The predictable knowing more about anything line, its becoming a parody at this stage.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853457#Comment_119853457

Sure it’s a … factor … it’s a factor that, long run, is losing them elections pollsters predict they should have done far better in. I think DeSantis should factor on running a much more moderate campaign if he runs for POTUS.

Quin_Dub

Credit where credit is due - Dr Oz officially conceded the PA Senate race so that's something at least.

Trump apparently is "livid" with the overall results , which is nice to hear.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853483#Comment_119853483

According to exit polling in PA were Fetterman won and Oz lost:

One of those factors, crime? That GOP said this week was top issue after inflation?

Voters care for that issue was 11%:

https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/1590330805049765888?s=46&t=v-bxuzoQWm8qMYzBKvzRhg

Abortion was 35% (top issue). Fetterman won 57% of women

Inflation was 29%

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853457#Comment_119853457

The question is whether it is a factor that makes a difference between winning and losing.

The answer is clearly no.

People who are concerned about "woke ideology" are nailed on , cast iron GOP votes and absolutely nothing would make them vote Democrat.

So - "focusing on Woke ideology" does not win the GOP a single new vote and will never be the difference between winning a seat or not.

Bottom line - "anti-woke" isn't going to win the GOP anything they weren't going to win already.

Overheal

Oh thank fcuk

https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1590356939745087488?s=46&t=v-bxuzoQWm8qMYzBKvzRhg

wave of relief reading that.

“I just need … 11,780 votes. Give me a break”

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853562#Comment_119853562

Great quote from the Foxdroid: "Why did Dr. Oz lose? ...Because Fetterman won."

Quality journalism, that.

At least Oz conceded.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853497#Comment_119853497

I wouldn't go that far either. The losing factor seems to be things like election denial or just general character weirdness like Walker (granted, he hasn't lost yet, but even that should say something). That DeSantis is well known to be "anti-woke" doesn't seem to have hurt him once iota.

Basically I don't think it's a particularly important factor in the voting either way. Districts where such things are strongly held views by the voters tend not to be so swing districts.

Igotadose

And, as I predicted on the shooting-in-Uvalde thread, piles of dead children didn't matter to the voters there. They went strongly GOP and Abbott.

https://twitter.com/ujohnnyg/status/1590193141390245888

Texas... where the lone star is its review rating.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853512#Comment_119853512

Doesn't change the fact that he's a snake oil salesman. He can go back to peddling his homoeopathic fuckery and reiki.

everlast75

Hopefully a prediction which will prove to be true... Lauren might lose her seat apparently

https://twitter.com/PoliticsVerse/status/1590349910918193154?s=20&t=1KDQYLEIGyRXREnknmwkSQ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853400#Comment_119853400

Fair point about Sinn Fein and people being fed up of FFG.

Corbyn and Labour on the other hand was down to LABOUR PARTY actually voting for a leader that was pro-labour and socialist. Had the elected Labour members got behind Corbyn the way conservatives get behind their candidates, Corbyn would have beaten Johnson.

Labour membership swelling to record numbers is down to Corbyn being leader, not Tory incompetence. There's a reason Labour membership decreased when Corbyn left, despite relentless Tory f*ck-ups.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853569#Comment_119853569

You're wrong on that because Youngkin promising to stamp out crt in classrooms is what got him so much support.. The merits of crt can't be debated so most have to pretend it doesn't exist,like you're about to do right now.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853512#Comment_119853512

TFG is always fecking livid. Who cares. A stroke'd be nice but I think him being livid and throwing ketchup is just the shtick. Consider how far he's gotten on no talent, not much brains and a lot of criminality, he's got nothing to be livid about ever.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853577#Comment_119853577

That thread makes interesting reading on the underlying Trump plan and how damaged it now is after yesterday.

Trumps only hope for a 2024 victory was to have the "right" people in place in the key swings states that would bend the results in his direction.

Those people did not win their elections so his only real path to victory is gone.

No wonder he is "livid and screaming at everyone"

Former President Donald Trump "is livid” and “screaming at everyone” after last night’s disappointing GOP results in the midterms, a Trump adviser who has been in contact with Trump’s inner circle tells CNN. 

“Candidates matter,” the Trump adviser said. “They were all bad candidates,” the adviser continued, critiquing many of Trump’s handpicked contenders in key battleground states. 

This adviser said it’s unlikely Trump would delay his expected presidential announcement because “it’s too humiliating to delay.” But the adviser said there are too many unknowns at this point. 

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119853638#Comment_119853638

CRT exists , of course it does - But only in specific University level course modules.

It has never been taught anywhere else and certainly not in schools - anywhere.