Was/is the protesting at East Wall Racist?

timmyntc

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906320#Comment_119906320

I am not aware of your "record". In the time its taken you to dodge my question, you could have simply answered it.

Do you believe people should be allowed enter this country without citizenship, visa, or any kind of border control?

You made a big song and dance about "unvetted" people in tesco - so do you actually consider everyone in this country to be "unvetted", or do you realise there is a distinction between citizens, visa holders, and those who do not ordinarily have right to reside in this country?

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906324#Comment_119906324

Its pretty clear that you run of of talking points when your not focused on calling people racists.

Furze99

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905769#Comment_119905769

Will Gary regret this when he next goes for election?

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906356#Comment_119906356

can you tell us where these areas in London are that women and children are afraid to walk around? or admit that you were wrong on that one at least?

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906356#Comment_119906356

My stance on immigration isn't the thread topic, and you can take a look at one of the threads I was very active on if you're curious. You should know, you were also very active on the same one.

Get with the programme, the thread topic is "was the East Wall protests racist". The protest was riddled with racists and outright racism.

Anyone who's operating in denial of that has a serious cognitive problem on their hands.

Furze99

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906307#Comment_119906307

This +100.

Expressing concerns over illegal immigration is not remotely the same as racism.

And yet those with certain agendas often try to mush the two together.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906364#Comment_119906364

This isn't the Oxford Union debating club, I'm not interested in what you think of "talking points."

My point is a basic one, anyone with eyes and ears can see the East Wall protests were brimming over with far right goons and racist sentiment. Whether some want to admit that because they've gone too far in hitching their wagon to it is another question.

It is rather fun watching the *definately not a racist* crew squirm as they try to find a position now that they've copped on the whole farrago has been coopted and astroturfed by hard right scumbags.

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906356#Comment_119906356

The people ok with all this are definitely not being affected by these policy’s or living very far away from it all

i saw the videos of these lads getting off the buses, they don’t look like they’re of good character and going to rejuvenate or improve the areas there being sent too.

I’d say the same if bus loads of our 100+convictions type were moved into my town with no consultation or notice to the locals. Skin colour doesn’t matter

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906425#Comment_119906425

No it isn't racist to express concern about illegal immigration. But you witnessed an outright display of racism last night complete with hard right racists gurning like morons at East Wall.

That is racist, and you have no credibility left it you don't reconcile yourself with that.

We're not talking about racism in the abstract here, there was a literal racist display with people shouting invective and abuse at foreigners and calling them "the enemy" (go ahead and ask for a link, I'll direct you to the article on the journal where they documented it).

Wise up pilgrim, you're being played for a fool.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906277#Comment_119906277

I think most people would be very concerned about hundreds of single men coming from countries hostile to the rights of women and homosexual people.

Its the cultural beliefs of some of these male migrants that is the issue and its a valid concern.

We had two innocent men murdered horrifically in their own homes by a non national,we dont know yet how he came to be in this country but we certainly do not need an unlimited number of people who share his beliefs arriving.

It would be interesting to look at the areas of Dublin that send the least numbers of children to UCD and Trinity, then look at the locations chosen for bussing hundreds of young male economic refugees, it wont be a co incidence to see a link.

The sad reality is no country wants these men,France and Italy are having heated rows over which country will blink first regarding boats landing, Greece, an amazingly beautiful country has had enough, Denmark and Sweden,fed up to the gills with it,the Uk talking about sending plane loads to Rwanda.

Michael Martin needs to make a statement now explaining what is going on, where are all these men coming from, did they go the Uk first,why are they allowed to disembark from an aircraft with no papers. Why did we stop meeting people off the planes with demands to see their paperwork.

We all know once these men are transported to accomodation there is no sending them back,it needs to be dealt with at source, no papers,your finger prints are taken and you are put back on the flight to whatever country you boarded the plane first from,the decision time for people with papers is to be made within a month and one appeal only and a further month after that for deportation, the gravy train regarding the legal profession and the income they are making from immigration appeals needs to be investigated, ditto the amount of NGOs all earning a living from this industry,its a can that needs to be opened.

afatbollix

It wasn't long ago that there were signs in our neighbor island saying

NO BLACKS

NO DOGS

NO IRISH

And in that order.

We have very short memories.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906433#Comment_119906433

They don't look like they're of good character. Oh my days lol.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906430#Comment_119906430

Its not racist to wonder why 40k this year have come across the channel into the UK from unsafe war torn France.

Illegal immigration, its effects, and the policies that come with it doesn't personally affect the Politicians who don't think long term. As long as they can make money everything is fine, they don't care what happens long term.

Star Bingo

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906460#Comment_119906460

So let’s reinforce the generalisation

You lie with dogs your gona get bitten man, am telling ya.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906486#Comment_119906486

Once again, there was outright racism including verbal abuse and intimidation of arrivals, complete with a far right rent a mob in East Wall last night.

That's the long and short of the situation and you're talking to yourself with what you've posted above.

johnmcdnl

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906433#Comment_119906433

How did you come to the conclusion that they aren't of good character just by looking at these people getting of the bus.

I didn't see a hint of trouble from any of them, so it would be fantastic to learn what traits and behaviours they exhibited that you were able to pick up on that I missed...

Furze99

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906460#Comment_119906460

Yes and these illegal immigrants should go back to their countries of birth and work to make them better societies. That's what generations of Irish people who stayed at home did. They stayed, worked their asses off, paid their taxes and supported the state. That's why there was always some resentment towards the 'Returned Yank'.

Burty330

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906486#Comment_119906486

They don't invalidate legitimate issues surrounding illegal immigration. You think people can't see what you're up to.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906519#Comment_119906519

Nobody wants to deal with a mob of racist sh*tbags, and a good deal of the crowd at East Wall was just that.

I'd rather talk to a stray dog about immigration than those melts. They have nothing to say to anyone, let alone engage on "legitimate issues". They were there to stir sh*t and peddle hatred and you're soft soaping it.

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906508#Comment_119906508

Yes, believe it or not how you dress and look has a big bearing on how people perceive you.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119905880#Comment_119905880

The foreigner has better English than the gobsh1tes harassing him

20Wheel

No

Poll at 65/35 at 12:45.

Expect that to shift towards 50/50 in an hour as the students, rich kids, and hippies wake up.

Then back again around 2pm, as the scaldies get up. (It is tuesday after all).

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906154#Comment_119906154

Was that poor Mongolian woman not stabbed to death by a fella from East Wall?

And another fella stabbed to death in the area a few years ago in a row over delivery bikes or something?

Star Bingo

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906549#Comment_119906549

Sure this it it we seem to be loading up with livestock from the scaldy superstates of each continent. Little thing called standards wouldn’t go amiss with these folk apparently concerned with such we are but on the fringes of scaldiness, there’s a veritable world of neo-scaldy to get scalded by

Scaldy nations of the world converge and unite! On scaldy Island.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906277#Comment_119906277

Actually they probably are all vetted in that they are fully documented from birth, education, any criminal offences etc...

Do people know what vetted means?

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906549#Comment_119906549

I keep seeing that they were all dressed in "designer gear" on Twitter though lol. Is that good/bad indication of character?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906163#Comment_119906163

Bizarre comparison.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906394#Comment_119906394

You'd be expelled from anti racist groups for being offensive.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906603#Comment_119906603

You think Tesco workers are Garda vetted? Lol, you should make yourself aware that they are legally precluded from vetting staff. Vetting is only processed for legitimate reasons and working in a supermarket certainly isn't one of them.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906618#Comment_119906618

I doubt that very much.

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906608#Comment_119906608

well monk what do you think is going to be the end game here of all this? What’s the result in 5 years or 10 or 20 years??

Letting every Tom Dick & Harry come in here unchecked is going to be a bloody disaster I can tell ya now.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906622#Comment_119906622

No I don't, but they are vetted by the state by virtue of the fact their life to a point is documented.

You know normal case immigration you are vetted, for instance you likely will have trouble entering many countries with a criminal record. However if you lack any documentation whatsoever, you are essentially unvetted. No evidence for where or when you were born, your education, family, work history or criminal record.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906290#Comment_119906290

People are not allowed to enter just like that. If a randomer just rocks up at immigration looking to come in for a holiday or take up a job or study and they do not have permission to enter, they will be sent back.

Ireland however is a signatory to various Human Rights Conventions which it is bound by. Therefore it is obligated to accept and process applicants for International Protection. The fault lies not with being signed up to said Conventions, but in delays in processing said applicants. You solve any issues by fixing the latter. Even if Ireland decided to do something relatively unprecedented and withdraw from said conventions, those people would have access to our Courts system. The Constitution refers to citizens but its protections been found time and time again to apply to people here generally and not just actual citizens.

So flailing at the wind without understanding what leads to any predicament is a waste of time. It's like going out and shouting at the sky and calling on the government to ban rain.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906635#Comment_119906635

You have no idea of the criminal record of any of the staff of the local supermarket, and neither do management. No supermarket seeking to have a Vetting form processed will succeed in doing so.

Better warn every freckled fair Irish maiden of the dangers. Should probably get the fascist melts down there as well to abuse them and inspect their shoes as well for good measure going by this thread.

Oh wait, they're only interested in abusing foreigners.

*Soft soap*

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906632#Comment_119906632

You could be right. I'm just sickened by the carry on outside that place, a baying mob screaming at people who could be completely harmless. I thought we were better than that.

I think most people would be in favour of reforming immigration laws to some extent, but the lunatics hijacking these things are dangerous and it worries me.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906659#Comment_119906659

Forget the supermarket, this is immigration. Of course Tesco could Garda vet people, but it would only make a difference to the ones who have been documented, see how that works?

If you have a criminal record there is many things you aren't allowed to do. Own a firearm for one. Without relevant documentation there is many professions you can't get work in.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906689#Comment_119906689

Tesco cannot Garda vet staff of any nationality. Any such application would be refused on sight by the betting bureau. You can only be vetted for legitimate purposes. You have no idea what you're on about.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906354#Comment_119906354

Nobody should be spewing bile at anybody.

There is no reason to speak or protest towards the actual migrant.

Although many of the non-UKR migrants are bogus/scammers (deliberately destroying travel documents, travelling from safe countries, etc.), I don't think there is anything to be gained by directing protest at them?

The target of the protest should be the politicians who allow the migrants to get past the airport.

One target should be Roderic O'Gorman, who seems to be practically inciting these protests by openly inviting bogus AS to come here.

What he has done is practically unbelievable, and at great cost to the taxpayer.

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906701#Comment_119906701

You clearly don't understand what unvetted means, its nothing to do with the Garda, it's to do with immigration. Your supermarket analogy demonstrates your confusion.

Beechwoodspark

No

To advocate sensible controlled migration is not “racist” nor was it ever so.

oftentimes ppl are “tarred” as “racists” to deplatform or delegitimise their opinion.

timmyntc

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906391#Comment_119906391

what are you on about? where did london come into this?

timmyntc

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906394#Comment_119906394

you were the one who first brought up your "stance on immigration". And now watch the goalposts shuffle away as you again dodge answering a simple question.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906689#Comment_119906689

Depending on the criminal background , you can own a firearm.

Viscount Aggro

No

What exactly is a scaldy?

Online definition I see is...

1. a young bird that has just fledged. "the magpie sometimes raids nests for eggs and scaldies"

Dyr

No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906506#Comment_119906506

Fair play to the far right if they rented that crowd. That was a lot of effort

Ush1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906740#Comment_119906740

Sure, there are many permutations based on your documented history. That's exactly the point, that you have one so the state has some idea about a person and their history. It's usually tax they are more interested in anyway!

Beechwoodspark

No

Along with throwing around the “racist” insult, another 1 they use is “fascist” and “far right”.

This is thrown around like confetti when ppl are attempting to delegitimise an argument.

People see through it now.

Thelonious Monk

Yes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906729#Comment_119906729

Sorry I quoted the wrong post

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906739#Comment_119906739

No I didn't. You were the one badgering asking various off topic questions about immigration trying to deflect from the topic of the post. If you're interested in my stance, it's all there on a thread still on the first page of the forum. Knock yourself out. I'm not a search engine for you to deal with your copium issue.

The actual topic of the thread: Was/is the East Wall protest racist? Yes, the protest was riddled with racist abuse and racists. You want that soft-peddled because it embarrasses you, which you won't be allowed to do.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906712#Comment_119906712

The target of the protest should be the politicians who allow the migrants to get past the airport.

You will never solve anything, and never be happy, unless you make an attempt to understand the system as it is. You blame politicians for people getting "past the airport" when there is nothing they can do about that. Nothing. Anyone can present themselves at immigration and claim they are seeking International Protection and they have to be processed. The person sitting at the desk will not have the authority or the resources to summarily process them on the spot. Even if they could, there would have to be a right of appeal.

Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos could both land private jets at Dublin Airport tomorrow and say they wanted to claim asylum. They would have to be processed. Until you understand they system, all you are doing is creating distraction from things that might actually be done by shouting about things which cannot be changed and blaming people who cannot change them.