Can the housing crisis be ever sorted. Post three suggestions.

Buster197456

1. Get a database of all houses, flats and apartments that are boarded up and set up a team's to in and turn they into living quarters. There is so many near me. Ive seen 26 flats turned around in six months. This is a no brainer.
2. Ease planning laws. Unless there is a major reason for objection they go ahead simple. Like Quinns pub rejected in dorest street for no reason. Building is a complete shittole needs bulldozing and put apartments up. Simple no brainer. Get on with it.
3. Set up proper schemes that affords a pathway to a job. Once trained people become part of teams that build houses for the goverment for every level of entry. Might sound like a pipe dream. But it offers people a pathway to full time employment. This should be run as a business not as another goverment public service and should be run as such. No pension etc a public private partnership.
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Strumms

1. that would be theft. The state need to own the property. The state have no business knowing what property Mr. K might own, or what he is doing or intends to do with it, or if it’s vacant or not.
2. planning laws are to ensure safe, responsible and quality housing…The National Planning Framework (NPF) was published by the Government in 2018. It is a national framework that aims to ensure that, as the population grows, this growth is sustainable in economic, social safety and environmental terms. Yeah right 😅
3. there was a scheme already. Jobbridge… which apparently was a magnet for scammers so it was closed.

xxxxxxl

Build up simple no need for 3. Especially in places like Dublin IT and knowledge economy would buy them release a tone of houses in commuter belts.

Buster197456

1 Im obviously talking about boarded up houses the council own. I'm not that stupid.

2 The planning laws are a complete shambles. Everyone knows that. Even the Taoiseach came out and said recently that people need to stop objecting for the bleedin sake of it.

3 Yes there was a scheme. However why can't these schemes be run right. You get the right people in. Run it professionally not like the sham that is the public service.

Things can be done. It's the like of the negative attitude of the poster above is why things in this country don't actually. I'd say gtd public sector worker.

Buster197456

There is 27 boarded up flats ten minute walk from where i live. There's loads of flats in their been lived in. Council own them six months there's 27 flats that can be lived in. Gives income to the council etc. No brainer.

Also why is dublin city council in rent arrears. It's not rocket science. If your getting rent allowance the amount you have to pay should be taken at source. Either out of welfare or income source. Dublin city council are in savage rent arrears. This should not be happening. The money wasted to chase this money is crazy as well. The reason it's not done is it like everything else in the public sector takes work. I'd say other councils in similar positions. It's one big shambles. That could easy be fixed. Income from rent owed and income saved chasing money should be used to build houses. But that's actually the sensible thing to do. It will never happen as it would involve work and also people chasing the money wouldn't have a job.

Buster197456

Also why is dublin city council any where near the fire and ambulance service. They should be run by hse and a stand alone fire department.

Buster197456

Build up is a total no brainer. That's clever something dublin city council don't do.

dotsman

A huge portion of Dublin city center is wasted on 3, 2 and even 1-story housing. Demolish it all and replace with 6-8 story buildings with large apartments designed for actual living like every well-planned city in Europe. Certain designated to have buildings in the 10-25 story range for offices/hotels/mixed developments. At the same time, put in serious mass transit (3 underground and 6 tram lines at a minimum)

Wash, rinse, repeat for the other cities.

Buster197456

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918594#Comment_119918594

Well that probably is the long term solution however could the present goverment or council try this no chance. Not a hope.

StupidLikeAFox

Send anybody on the housing list to the front line in Ukraine. Bam, problem solved

Atlantic Dawn

I think forget about the boarded up and ancient stuff, would take more effort and expense to bring it up to spec € for € than to build in bulk energy efficient new due to the massive variations in design.

I've seen what councils do with properties they acquire, completely unsustainable levels of economic stupidity to bring them from purchase to 'rental ready spec', often kipifying perfectly good kitchens so they become a universal level of utter sheite across the board.

Get in large foreign companies to complete massive housing projects of 5k houses/apartments, Turkish and Chinese companies come to mind, they have a good track record around the world, particularly in Africa.

joeguevara

There are 166000 vacant properties in Ireland.

Mrs OBumble

Nationalise property. The government owns ALL of it, and can allocate for housing as it sees fit. This includes allocating housemates to people who are living in under-occupied houses.

Hey . .it's After Hours. Workable suggestions not required.

Fred Cryton

Get the government completely out of the picture. Thats the answer. I heard SF's Eoin O Brion the other day say we buiilt 90,000 homes in 2006 why can't we do it now...well Eoin they were PRIVATE sector homes, nothing to do with the government. So Eoin i guess you want the private sector to do the work? We are only building around 9,000 private homes per year now, one tenth of that.

Remove height limits. Ban councils from leasing newly built apartments. We should be completely in line with regulations in the UK, we are not special and need more stringent safety regulations than the UK. Just pushes up the cost.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918720#Comment_119918720

So Communist slavery. No thanks

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918621#Comment_119918621

Yep and today Gov announced they are hoping to siphon off 20,000 for new arrivals (Ukrainian refugees)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058273289/can-the-housing-crisis-be-ever-sorted-post-three-suggestions

It is not a topic I have managed to find time to involve myself in or get to know the arguments for or against any particular proposals.

But there does seem to be a petition of 10 proposals looking for signatures by one of the more active campaigners on the topic. So might be worth working through them and seeing what is gold or chaff:

my.uplift.ie/petitions/gaffs4all

Donald Trump

Have you tried "kill all the poor"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

Tazz T

Tax the vultures out of it (and all BTRs). Watch rents collapse and thousands of properties instantly appear on the market.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918594#Comment_119918594

Many other world cities do just this, areas get redeveloped. Look at the side of Dublin between say Harolds Cross and St.Patricks. Full of low rise streets of brick houses. Could all be systematically cleared and replaced with apartment blocks and leisure facilities. And many other parts like this. Constitutional change likely required as private property rights are too strong.

riclad

The council hardly have enough workers to keep with basic tasks like maintaining existing flats there's 1000s of empty flats boarded up it would not cost alot to renovate them for immediate use

The government can't just knock down buildings because it's only 2 storeys high

Build up allow 10 storey apartments to be built

Encourage more young people to go into the building industry

Mad_maxx

Our planning system needs major reform, it’s far too democratic and allows both cranks and those with their own financial seeking agenda a means of obstructing developments, that’s before we mention the curse of rampant NIMBYism

griffin100

1. Move social housing tenants from large size family homes to smaller homes when their kids are grown and give the homes to young families. This needs investment in smaller retirement type developments.
2. End the practice of adult children 'inheriting' social housing, i.e. adult kids taking possession of their parents social housing when the parents pass away. Invest in apartment building for singletons in this space.
3. Fill in the brown spaces in Dublin and other cities with good quality state owned houses. There are far too many low use industrial areas in Dublin city and close by which could be used for housing. Allocate the houses built to social tenants, key workers and first time house buyers and other designated groups. Make sure the rent is actually collected.

happyoutscan

Across the country there are so many small villages/towns with boarded up commercial units. Could these not be re-zoned residential and converted into starter apartments (or better?!)? Would breathe life into so many currently dead villages/towns while providing much needed accommodation for working people.

Just an idea, maybe the problems of doing so are too considerable for this to merit happening.

spaceHopper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058273289/can-the-housing-crisis-be-ever-sorted-post-three-suggestions

1 yes

2 no way taking planning out of local authority hands has made things worse not better. And you way of doing it leads to building on flood planes or where there are no services.

My 3

1) Zero reliance on private rental for social housing. If you're a student, just starting out in a job, just moved here... rent. If you need social assistance it comes from the local council. That worked very well up till the 2000s.

2) Councils have to bring all their property into use - it needs to be good enough not perfect A rated....

3) Councils cannot buy or rent on the open market, they have to build.

4) The LDA should be closed they only slow down the process. Instead we need pre designed blue prints that can be changed to suit different sites.

5) Enforce all building regs. We don't want fire traps or houses that fall apart in 10 years.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918980#Comment_119918980

A, sort of, modest proposal?

Stone Deaf 4evr

1. produce a set of 10 house designs that are automatically granted preferential status in the planning process - this would streamline the application process, and would also allow people to have a very good idea of the cost of building same and would reduce a lot of the costs of producing construction drawings, quantity surveying, etc, it would also open the door for a greater degree of manufacturing for the likes of timber-frame where greater quantities of similar units can be produced at a rapid pace.
2. remove the requirement for all teenagers to sit the leaving cert before pursuing a trade apprenticeship. However, if you choose to leave school, it would be mandatory to select a trade of your choice and then you're inserted into that programme. There are plenty of lads who dont like the classroom, and would absolutely thrive in a work environment, and would be 3/4 qualified by the time their peers hit college. Similarly, scrap PAYE / PRSI contributions for employers who take on apprentices until they are qualified, and extend tax Benefits to the qualified lads then, to discourage them from leaving the country once qualified.
3. Unpopular opinion, but theres enough in dublin. any more Multinationals wanting to come in need to accept that theyre going to be in galway / limerick / cork or waterford,

I Blame Sheeple

Your initiative is really admirable but I could have sworn there's a group somewhere in the country, with great returns for being a member mind you, that assume responsibility for the production of viable solutions to these issues.

Public figures of some sort, maybe even chosen by the collective general public at some point for this role. They even have separate factions within this group that uses different avenues of approach to produce more varied solutions through diversity in their recruitment of new members.

They convene regularly in some medieval chamber to hash these things out, with spectators too at times, and it's even televised as well but by the grace of God, I can't recall what they're called.

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058273289/can-the-housing-crisis-be-ever-sorted-post-three-suggestions

Number 3 . Do you mean apprenticeships.

What's number 4 ?

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119920847#Comment_119920847

Trade exams now are mandatory, if you lad was struggling in a classroom , there's a good chance he'll struggle in his various phases in college.

From what I remember trade exams now are up to the level 7 standard with some apprentices doing city and guilds , cad courses.

Electrical and mechanical trades lean heavily on maths , physics nowadays and you get I think three attempts to pass and I'm not so sure about the legality of under 18s on building sites.

You take what you're offered. Otherwise direct them to the nearest park bench.

3 monthly inspections, any damage caused since tenant takes over garnished from wages or state payouts.

No vulture fund buyers

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119918580#Comment_119918580

Have heard of the National Ambulance Service?

riclad

People on the housing list are either living in rental accomodation ,in hostels or living with relations , telling people to live in a park makes no sense. Some people live in tents because they don't want to use hostels for various reasons .

victor8600

1. Build student accommodation in the city centre and near main high school centres, enough to house all students that need housing. This will make the rental market much more stable, with no mad rush in the autumn of students to get any place to live.
2. Build council housing and rent them to working families at max 30% of combined income and no more than would be paid in a typical 25 year mortgage repayment. After 25 years *of paying rent* give the house to the family. Not paying rent on time --> not getting the house to own later. Allow trading housing to facilitate people moving to other areas.

Both of my suggestions cost money initially, but should pay for themselves over the years.

mariaalice

A bit left field and not suitable for very urban areas but would work in a lot of areas, local authorities to develop small individual sites with services and sell them at a reasonable cost to individuals they could put a self build, or modular house, or a scanhouse, anything as long as it passes building regs and is can be mortgaged. https://www.scanhome.ie/. The advantage of that is it could be done over time and would work for those with a low income as the sight development costs have been absorbed by the local authority.

In inner city areas something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDYku-zZ-F0 its tiny but perfect for a single person.

An acceptance that we live in a capitalist society.

riclad

Someone needs to design a self build house that's made of recycled materials and energy efficient and publish the plans on a website

give more tax credits for self build houses if your income is under 50k

More tax credits to people who refurbish old derelict buildings for housing

Greyfox

The government needs to wake the f*ck up and Build, Build and build some more, if we got a massive loan from the EU to fund all this it would be money well spent.

Loads and loads of high rise is required, we're at the point were working people would be delighted to own a modular home or even a bedsit, things are that bad. Ireland needs to actually start treating the issue like a crisis.

Emblematic

Some great suggestions already posted.

1. As others have suggested, streamline planning process and reduce acceptable reasons for objection. Also increase zoned land and encourage medium-rise buildings.
2. Allow agricultural land to be used for specific types of housing. Eg. towable tiny homes.
3. Move away from amateur landlords towards professional fund based investment. Provide tax incentives for Irish people to invest in such funds and have government as partners.

griffin100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119920953#Comment_119920953

The National Ambulance Service manages HSE ambulances. Dublin City Council via Dublin Fire Brigade manage their own ambulance service. Now why we need 2 services is a different question.

Buster197456

Best one get dublin city clowns out of the way. Bring in proper boys as in professionals not circus clowns,

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921768#Comment_119921768

I think DFB provide ambulances as a service to the HSE with HSE paying.