Unrest in the Socialist Paradise of the P.R.C.

Dyr

Presumably our politicians, media and assorted tools will be decrying these anti lockdown protests as criminal behaviour by far right elements.

I mean that's what anti-lockdown protest are, right?

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119929713#Comment_119929713

And immediate German reunification turned out to be a massive **** mistake. 🤔

Beta Ray Bill

Comparing this with Tiananmen Square is kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

Most older Chinese people that have never left China don't know about what happened in Tiananmen Square, because at the time it was easy to conceal information.

We live in the information age now, and Chinese people have emigrated all over the world. They're not thick, they know they're oppressed but accept it for the most part it would seem out of fear.

It wouldn't take much for a revolution to happen there hence the reason the government snuffs out any sort of non aligned ideas before it gains traction.

But there's only so far something like that will go under severe dissatisfaction of the general populous

A heavy crack down could potentially fan the flames, all they need is a few thousand rifles, which many countries would be happy to provide to the people of China. (If China's get to big for its boots that is)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119930321#Comment_119930321

I'm not so optimistic.

When Russians started protesting several times this year, we heard about how this might lead to a revolution that would topple Putin. Instead, they fizzled out.

In Iran, we see the same kind of talk. Yet things are fizzling out there, too.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same happens in China.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119930380#Comment_119930380

Has iran fizzled out seems to be pretty active?

Thinkingaboutit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119929664#Comment_119929664

The trial of 90 year old Cardinal Zen for his work Hong Kong with pro-Democracy activists is a model for their modern method. He was fined. Instead of spilling blood like Putin in Ukraine (plus Chechnya, Georgia etc.) or themselves in 1989 (for which Erich Honecker the East German dictator sent congratulations), they employ administrative methods ranging from repeated interrogations and court hearing, plus disabling bank access (even the smallest street trader in China accepts electronic payment). PRC can see many small protests. Nowadays they tend to allow protesters to wear themselves out. The ringleaders will be monitored and arrested later. A few hapless officials will also be punished. It is cunning and cynical, and has worked so far for them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119930450#Comment_119930450

Things have been popping up for years now, and they eventually die down. There have basically been intermittent protests in that country since 2017, that's 5-years of protesting and still nothing significant has changed. Of course things could be different this time, and we'd all be better off it it were, but I've yet to come across any evidence to suggest that it is. Quite a lot of wishful thinking and fervour, it seems.

Given that China is infinitely more experienced at dealing with this kind of thing, with its tentacled security apparatus, they will - as others have said - likely cynically ride this one out, too.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong.

This chap, who is worth following on these protests, seems far more optimistic:

https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1596942932434485248

thebaz

Its less than a year since many in the West and here were pushing zero Covid, and protesters were shunned as Right wingers - 3 years ago the world went into lockdown , except Sweden , and copied what was happening in China, the Wuhan lockdown model . What a strange world we live in.

Uyghur groups claiming that dozens of people died in the residential block fire in Urumqi and not 10 as stated by the goverment.

https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2022/11/mourning-for-victims-of-urumqi-fire-escalates-into-nationwide-anti-lockdown-anti-government-protests/?amp

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119930161#Comment_119930161

Was it really now?

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119930151#Comment_119930151

assorted tools 🤣 tbh I don't think the politicians and media should be in a separate category...they belong firmly in the assorted tools category imo.

TheValeyard

Whoever is doing Reeling in The Years for 2022 is going to be fairly busy. Probably need an extended edition

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119929331#Comment_119929331

What you're rying to do is disassociate the human rights nightmare of a real left wing society from the western notion of what left wing activists here would like us all to believe a left wing society would look like.

China is very much a left wing society, and like all other left wing societies it is a living nightmare for the people living within it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932572#Comment_119932572

If you look at the Economists latest Democracy Index (2021), China is ranked 148th, out of 167 countries surveyed. It scores 2.21 (out of 10), and not surprisingly scores zero for the absence of an electoral process and pluralism. Contrast that with Taiwan (“Free China” for want of a better term) which scores 8.99, is ranked 8th in the world, and scores a perfect 10 for an electoral process and pluralism. I know which one i’d rather live in….

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932640#Comment_119932640

The Chinese are hell bent on annexing Taiwan, mostly to nationalise TSMC (semiconductor manufacturer) to try to catch up with and overtake the west technologically.

You'd have to feel for the Chinese people living in that distopian nightmare, no wonder they're happy to spend a fortune to live in western countries when they get the chance.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932649#Comment_119932649

Absolutely. Taiwan manufactures over 90% of the worlds most advanced semi conductor chips. Without them everything from smartphones to fighter jets simply don’t work. To have China somehow having control over this is quite hard to imagine quite frankly. Taiwan matters.

hotmail.com

They have to tell the Chinese people that the infection isn't as serious after all.

buried

What the Chinese establishment should do is call themselves the GREEN Peoples Republic of China.

Then they could get away with whatever the f**k they like.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119929679#Comment_119929679

Aye I've been thinking similar. All these hardline autocrats are starting to get backlash from their populations, with a recession looming and each state has it's own financial difficulties to deal with. Kim Jong-Un must be getting twitchy by now.

I know zero covid is the final straw here there has been growing discontent in China in the past few years and especially this year with their house of cards property market about to collapse. The amount of people who have paid for property which hasn't even begun development is staggering, huge amount of the population is out of pocket and now they're also unable to be sure of a steady income due to lockdowns.

Seems things are dying down already, as the weekend has subsided.

What a shame, though. As the mass of the people could, if they so chose, rise against this socialist autocracy once and for all.

Gatling

Tanks and armor is being deployed in some cities ,this could get very dangerous very fast

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1597352679814361093?s=20&t=7LMz9Ph-cvkUUjpUXeM5CA

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933360#Comment_119933360

I just cannot foresee the CCP being removed. They have total and complete control over the country.

That said, I hope I'm wrong.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933392#Comment_119933392

I think we're going to see huge violence against the population not seen in the last 60+ years , let's hope we're not looking at tiananmen square on steroids

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933403#Comment_119933403

It could work both ways.

It could motivate people who know the regime to be awful to say, you know what, enough is enough.

I'm cynical, I don't think it will happen. But how much I would love it to.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933422#Comment_119933422

That's Also true,

But it's seems to be a mass movement which hasn't any leaders unless we get the coup that was hinted at not so long ago I can't see the leadership changing,

We don't know what's going on with the party and what they are thinking,if they are only interested in a military option it's going to be bloody

Jinglejangle69

Will this push Russia and China closer?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933446#Comment_119933446

I'm concerned that this is a minority protest against the regime that will be rigorously suppressed.

But if it turns out to be a widespread protest against the regime, who could possibly be against that?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933462#Comment_119933462

They have been close for decades but at the same time, during the Soviet era the Russians drew up plans to nuke china as they believed China would become too big for them to control,fast forward to this year and as we seen in Ukraine the current Chinese aren't impressed with putins landgrab and military failures , chance's are china sees the Russians as liabilities on the international stage ,and weak military allies

Danzy

The Communist party have complete control of society and every aspect of it. That's only been strengthened in the last few years.

Add in a firm control of the Army and police and a complete willingness to kill as many as it takes.

We are more likely to see mass disappearances, bloodbaths and the savagery of the Mao era than the Communist party being defeated.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933462#Comment_119933462

No russia has been well scouted out by china. They knocked the nukes ranting on the head they probably know the situation with the amount of available weapons vs sanctions on anyone playing ball with russia. No one is saying they don't have nukes just possible only a few and the western blowback on anyone willing to support russia, china will have taken into account. Their playing a long game of their own land grab. But paused now seeing the lethality of western tech in Ukraine.