Dangerous Dogs Owners

johnnykilo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961539#Comment_119961539

Just for the record, I'm one of those 12 people attacked by a pitbull in Waterford. Walking up the street, minding my own business. Stereotypical little girl with a Pitbull. I was chatting with her for a few minutes while I was waiting for the ambulance to come, I thought she looked about 16, I was asking her where her parents were, turns out she was 27!

Anyway, the Pitbull was on a leash, but wasn't muzzled and she wasn't paying attention to him, she was trying to lock up her front door. I tried to pass the Pitbull giving it as wide a berth as possible - I'm wary of dogs to begin with, and next thing I know the dog has bitten through my hand. Resulted in a trip in an ambulance and 9 hours in A&E. There happened to be matches on in nearby sports pitches at the time, so the place was swarming with young kids, in addition there was loads of elderly people walking around there, it could have easily been any of them and the result could have been vastly worse.

These dogs should be banned unless people have a good reason to have them, for example they're involved in policing or security, not because it makes you feel cool or big to have a dangerous dog. I don't give a **** about the good owner/bad owner thing. These dogs are too unpredictable and there's too many of them owned by people who don't know how to handle them. The recent stats showing the increase in attacks have borne that out.

Ave Sodalis

The biggest problem I'm seeing on this thread is the hysteria. We are never gonna come to any solutions if we jump into the extremes.

Do pitties account for a large number of attacks? Yes.

Are pitties easily recognised? No. They're not at all and you'll find many vets and wardens will struggle to identify. Many may even refuse to do so due to the risk of having to put down an unrelated, healthy, happy dog that looks a bit like a pittie.

Is there a constant revolving door of "most dangerous breed ever"? Yup, mainly driven by whatever flavour of the month the gobsh*tes own. Human involvement is the only constant.

Is going down the "but what do you need X or Y breed for?" a slippery slope? Absolutely.

Does there need to be something done about the over inflated stats against pitties? Also absolutely, but we're not gonna get there with ridiculous over the top arguments.

Is saying a pittie whose owner got a fake SD with poor recall is making any sort of point? Nope. Fake SDs (or assistance dogs, as they are here) of all breeds are rampant in the States.

Oh, and just as a general FYI. Great white sharks don't like the taste of human. It's well documented. Fatalities are low, and most attacks are a result of mistaken identity, with the rest being self defense. Sharks wouldn't waste precious calories attacking us otherwise so of course that rate is going to be low. It's like calling for putting down all Labradors because their attack rate is higher than that of a fox.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961696#Comment_119961696

No more Pitbull attacks on people. Same way as if we got rid of nuclear weapons. No more nuclear weapon attacks on people.

Tazzimus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961665#Comment_119961665

I'm not sure if you're being a massive troll or are just a bit challenged intellectually.

You're really trying to say a 27kg ish dog is more dangerous than a 4000kg ish apex predator..

Banning them will do **** all.

Actual punishment for idiot owners, mandatory owner and dog training for ALL dogs, stringent requirements for owning any animal as a pet, plus other things I'm probably not thinking of. That's what will make a difference.

Ms2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961729#Comment_119961729

So any other dog attack is fine so long as its not a Pitbull?

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961727#Comment_119961727

Overinflated stats? Where is your evidence for that? Wardens and Vets having difficulty identifying them? Again where is your evidence?

As for hysteria how many more such attacks are needed before you change your mind? let me guess...

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961750#Comment_119961750

Good f**kin Christ man, I've already given countless other examples of these human bred distorted animals, including your precious pitbull that also should no longer be in modern day existence, because there is no need for these distorted violence breeds. Now unless if you want to continue to go around in circles, which seems to be your want, have at it, and continue to purchase your pitbulls for how much you are ridiculously paying for it. Go round in circles there too. Buy them all, deal with them all.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961750#Comment_119961750

Have you not seen the stats? Jesus the Pitbull lovers on this thread are gas. Trying to claim hysteria. It's a PROVEN dangerous breed of dog that shouldn't be legal as a pet.

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961792#Comment_119961792

Dead right! They say that their's is lovely so there is no problem or other flawed logic like it's bad owners or the victim's fault!

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961707#Comment_119961707

Can you personally sue someone whose dog has bitten you while outside their property and unmuzzled. At a minimum we need tougher punishment for the owners, either financial or custodial (or both).

I don't quite get this desire to have a big tough looking dog to prance about the street with. Who is impressed by it anyway. To me its like the boy racers in cars with the super loud engines. Most people think they are twats. I think the same when i see someone walking a big mean looking dog.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961865#Comment_119961865

Yup ,the sample size and percentage kills in the US is horrific. The breed should be banned. There's actually no real rational argument against it.

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961985#Comment_119961985

The only argument seems to be the difficulty in defining what exactly should be banned, which breeds and especially if they are crossed with other dogs.

Being injured or killed by these dogs should be treated like being injured or killed by a drunk driver or dangerous driver.

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961707#Comment_119961707

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/bitten-boy-s-mother-appeals-for-garda-dog-1.361274

Again just like German Shepherds can attack kids or adults, you'd think this being a police dog it would have ample training and a good temperament but sure Pitbulls are the only dog ever to do anyone harm it seems going by the hysterics of posters here. Notice how the article mentions dangerous breeds as Alsatians, Rottweilers etc while saying Garda are exempt so its ok for a Garda dog to bite a child almost taking his eye out but if a Pitbull was the culprit here everyone would have the pitchforks out no doubt.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/02/12/news/-never-leave-a-child-alone-with-a-dog-coroner-warns-after-boy-10-mauled-to-death-by-pet-german-shepherd-1840071/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/60000-for-boy-left-scarred-after-attack-by-two-alsatian-dogs-in-a-playground-41488133.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/danger-dog-breeds-court-3276884-Mar2017/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/woman-settles-action-over-claims-she-was-bitten-by-german-shepherd-1.4836427

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5962302/boy-dies-dogs-attack-ukraine/

So these are the kind of reasons the German Shepherd is on the restricted breed list, not exactly the super friendly/safe dog some are claiming them to be all the while spouting ban Pitbulls their dangerous.

spookwoman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961707#Comment_119961707

You were lucky and I hope it didn't leave any permanent physical damage, the mental is probably more wary of dogs than before. I would not be surprised it it has "nipped" someone else before. I use the word nipped because a lot of the dog people seem to think a bite even requiring 8 stitches is a nip. Did anything happen to the dog?

I'm the same very wary of dog and had the job of walking large breed one day. I was keeping my one by me and next to the wall on a short leash. All was ok until some f*cking idiot of a woman decides to let her golden retriever on a loose lead come over to greet. You can image what happened, the 2 went for each other and here am I trying to hold my one back by the collar as it up on two legs trying to get at her. Hers was the one that started it and when I asked why the hell did she let her one near mine, the excuse I got was, she was just letting hers greet other dogs as they like to do that. Pointing out hers started it and WTF was she thinking letting her dog greet when it was the attacker. It was my fault for having an aggressive dog out 🙄 I had walked past other people with dogs who kept there's under control and no issues but this was my fault.

I don't know if anyone remembers a few years back a bully type dog was recorded chasing sheep up the mountains while the owners were letting it continue on chasing them. It was another lad out that stepped and in tried to stop it. I mentioned bully types should not be off the lead in the country and unmuzzled especially due to the strength of their jaws. The usual dog nutters started going on that bully's are misunderstood and not dangerous.

Lockdown and the 2 idiots that let their Golden Retriever off the lead up the wicklow mountains, it chased a deer and was missing for weeks. The couple who found it were reported for breach of restrictions yet nothing about the dog off the lead where there are sheep and wildlife.

This is dog nutter mentality.

Ms2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961792#Comment_119961792

I've already addressed the 'stats' if you read back over the thread.

For the record I'm not a Pitbull lover I'm a dog lover.

This breed and countless others can be dangerous in the wrong hands like so many things in this world.

Banning them is putting a plaster on a bullet hole, why not try fix the problem properly with proper consequences to bad dog ownership (of any breed). But no that won’t happen, too much hassle, take it out on the animal would knows no better instead that alway seems to be the way, it doesn't work but we'll keep doing it anyway.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119962774#Comment_119962774

I haven't read the whole thread , the stats might not be fully true but Jesus they are so heavy towards pitbulls it is blindingly obvious about that breed. I like dogs myself. I guarantee you banning pitbulls would result in less human related dog deaths. Obviously it would take a few years. I do agree with the proper consequences etc.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119962126#Comment_119962126

What a pointless argument. Nobody ,not one person on this thread said other dogs don't attack people or babies etc. Look at that stats on pitbulls. An embarrassing defense by Pitbull owners. Oh other dogs do it too. The stats are horrific. And ya can say they are made up blah blah but they aren't. Even if which is a massive if, half those stats are made up they are still a horrific proportion of human deaths by dogs.

Former Former Former

Anyone who wants to keep their pitbull should be made to go to Wexford, visit that poor kid in the hospital, laugh in his face, and then tell his parents that they heartily endorse what happened, and are actively working to ensure more kids are maimed or killed.

Because that's basically what you're doing already. You just don't have the guts to say it.

Meirleach

I think unfortunately pit bulls are defective as pets. Being people though we get very emotional about pets and animals, being Irish we also love underdogs!

So I'm going to abstract this somewhat: I own a DIY shop. I specialize in Chainsaws, a powerful tool that requires attention and training.

I have the 'labrador' brand chainsaw, it's the best seller nationwide, but as nothing is 100% safe, there are fatalities. It amounts to about 2% of chainsaw related fatalities each year.

I also have the 'pitbull' brand chainsaw, it's less than 10% of sales each year, but accounts for 66% of the fatalities every year.

1) would anyone here buy that chainsaw?

2) would I even be allowed sell that product? They've recalled cars and other products for less.

In my opinion either the breed needs to go away, or the breed needs to change, it is currently unsafe and defective as a pet.

Ms2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119962850#Comment_119962850

Sure they said that about putting dogs on the Restricted Breeds List 30 years ago and there has been no decease in dog bites.

Banning Pitbulls will result in less Pitbull attacks obviously but it won't result in less dog attacks because bad dog owners will just replace them with another breed. So what have you achieved...nothing.

If the consequences were severe enough it would make having a dog (any dog) who was a danger to the public unappealing. People wouldn't be in danger, dogs would lead a better life, its a win win for all.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963153#Comment_119963153

This thread reminds me of how everything bad was blamed on rock music. Then video nasties. Then video games. Used to be GS, then rotties, now bull breeds. Could be labs next. Hysterical, reactionary and simplistic. Imagine wanting the nanny state to take away the "scary" breeds instead of dealing with the owners and the system that allows those same owners to have these dogs?

Some of the posts are so ill-informed I can't decide if they are taking the piss or are actually that stupid.

whisky_galore

There wasn't the same numbers of dogs 30 years ago, kind of skews that statistic.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963153#Comment_119963153

I don't agree with that though.i think if there was no pitbulls in this world , human deaths by dogs would be decreased. But having said that I do agree with your severe consequences point but both ideas are not in anyway mutually exclusive.

Ms2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963220#Comment_119963220

Sure most people can't even identify a Pitbull let alone say it was that particular breed that bit them but their opinion is taken as fact and added into bite statistics and quoted on forums like this one but those skewed statistics are taken as fact.

It's all about finding the stats that support your argument 😉

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963207#Comment_119963207

You would have a point if people are reacting to one incident. They aren't , the statistics are literally insane.

Ms2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963290#Comment_119963290

Think about those dog owners in Wexford do you honestly think if there were no more Pitbulls that scum like that would just throw their arms up in the air and say I'll never own another dog because I can't have a Pitbull or will they just get another breed of dog, mistreat it, tease it & make it aggressive and turn it into another ticking time bomb, you better believe they will.

Now think about if those dog owners got convicted for animal cruelty and attempted murder...you'd have an awful lot more eejits sitting up and taking notice.

That is how you protect children and the public at large from dog attacks not banning individual breeds.

4shameee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963323#Comment_119963323

I don't think we are going to agree and you do make good points. Our difference in thinking is you think attacks are solely down to the owner. I don't with this particular breed , I think it's a mixture. I don't for a second thing no pitbulls will equal ,60% less deaths , but I do believe it'll be 10-20% less deaths. I admit that repercussions for dog owners would be more important than getting rid of pitbulls. But personally I'd advocate for both.

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963304#Comment_119963304

People are reacting to one incident though, the boy in Wexford. Not one word or stat would have been quoted here if that had not happened. Now that doesn't make the issue go away but killing everything you deem a bull breed won't mean awful dog owners will go away. These absolute scumbags will pick another breed and do their best to villify that too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963323#Comment_119963323

Lovely, succinct post. Couldn't agree more with it.

zedhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119963220#Comment_119963220

With that in mind, do you not think putting more onus on pet owners is a better way to go. Mandatory training for owners and dogs as part of the licence condition. Proof that owners are capable of properly socialising, training and looking after a dog. Dogs to be kept on lead everywhere except specific dedicated places. Harsher rules on dogs that do not pass their training. i.e enforced muzzles in public. And all of these rules properly enforced.

Not only would this reduce the number of dog attacks, it would reduce the number of abandoned dogs ending up badly socialised and with issues in rescues around the country. It would reduce the demand and maybe put an end to puppy farming.

So many people now just get a dog and think of it as a posession, so easy to get but not easy to keep. If there had to be more proper planning and understanding of what it entailed to have a dog then everyone wins.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119961985#Comment_119961985

The most abused dog breed in the world, no wonder there are accidents!

And what is some posters answer, ban or destroy the breed. Amazing.