Dangerous Dogs Owners

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135530#Comment_121135530

You should be muzzled and on a lead

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121136089#Comment_121136089

True. I like that kink.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121136246#Comment_121136246

Here we go again

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135530#Comment_121135530

In an ideal world the world be but thats NEVER going to happen, regardless of any law coming in you know it I know and everyone here knows it. That said dogs are only required to be under effective control unless they're restricted breed list or are a greyhound which is another breed that is required by law to be on a lead.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121135509#Comment_121135509

Yes, I have also seen young puppies yapping madly at other dogs looking for someone to play with, not a problem for other well-trained dogs, the vast majority, who either respond in kind or ignore them. The only issue I have seen is with Bull breeds who react aggressively to little puppies looking to play in line with their instincts and the instincts of those that own them.

The Bull breeds are the problem.

ForestFire

Saw this in shopping centre I was at today and somehow reminded me of this thread.

(I have removed location and contact details)

Is there a reason for wanting a male over a female?

Not sure why they want one of these 3 specific breads? And why papers are only prevered, rather than required if they want a pure breed?

It's been up there a while also, it seems, surely they must have gotten someone to bite (Yes intended) at this stage.

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137206#Comment_121137206

Im not talking young pups wanting to play im talking about behaviour like this off any smaller breeds is deemed acceptable where as if my Bull Terrier were to do the same to some one walking a Yorkie or Bichon id be the one with the Devil dog, you know it and I do as most here would agree too thats the view people would have but the Yorkie/Bichon acting like that to my dog minding his own business you get the oh look at him/her being brave to that big scary dog.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Coh09Q2IOvl/

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137206#Comment_121137206

Personally I think you are making it up as you go. You must be meeting bull breeds and little puppies all the time..

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139352#Comment_121139352

https://www.facebook.com/Tyla/videos/1446558739409845/ Check out the girlfriend wanting to kiss her boyfriend in this, the dog being possessive, threatening to bite, would that be funny if it was a child interacting with their father and the dog instead being a much bigger breed NO it wouldn't but as usual like I said small dogs seem to get a pass, and the owners not correcting them is what leads to bites, its worth noting too dogs smaller than that couples one have killed children but people/the media go with the hysteria of Pitbull/Am Bully this/that like they're the only ones that have ever done wrong, which from the videos of Lee above too on instagram you'll see is not the case as far as aggressive/ badly trained or just not trained dog there is of all types. **** behaviour from a dog is usually down to 2 things negligence or ignorance and people not treating a dog for what it is a dog instead they're seen as status symbols by wannabe hardmen types yes, but also by people who want pricey breeds like Frenchies or Teacup Yorkies, Chihuahuas etc where in a lot of cases of the smaller dog being the needy, overly possessive lapdog thats potentially just as deadly as any big breed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfkNMeQLLtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXfbSWK7lk

Heres another two both Toy Poodles, small possessive dogs getting shown affection but not being reprimanded for their aggression towards the husbands again imagine the husband is a small child and the dog a much bigger breed, recipe for disaster no doubt but sure Bull breeds are THE problem.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121140761#Comment_121140761

I got as far as the jealous killer cats in that first video before I wondered whether you are on a complete wind-up.

zedhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121140761#Comment_121140761

The "cute videos" of dogs being possessive, or parents letting their children crawl all over, pull at etc their incredible tolerant dogs and claim the dog loves their kid while ignoring all the dogs body language make me so mad. Regardless of the breed it is so dangerous and it is these type of people who say " oh the bite came out of nowhere" - it rarely comes out of nowehere, you have just ignored all steps on the ladder of aggression before biting. But, correcting a growl can lead to biting without warning, you should never punish or correct a growl or signs on the ladder of aggression. Instead seek out a trainer who can help with counter conditioning to actually get to the root of the problem.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139352#Comment_121139352

Reactivity is a hugely complex issue. Yes it can come from irresponsible owners who didn't properly socialise their dogs, or it can be caused by a bad experience with another dog/person, or it can be down to breeding and genes.

We have a reactive terrier, when we rescued him at 9 months he would react to a dog over a mile away, if he could see it he would lose my mind. Its been 3 years of training, a lot of which was spent only walking him before 6am or after 10pm to avoid exposure to dogs unless very controlled - and even with this he is still not "fixed" of it. We've come a long way and he doesn't react anywhere near the way he did, but its a constant effort to train it out of a dog.

A big problem is rude, "playful" off lead dogs whose owners have no control over them. Sure they are "friendly" but not all dogs want to play and every time we get rushed by one it sets our dogs training back. For any breed, it should only be off lead if it has no interest in approaching people or other dogs without permission from its owner and it has foolproof recall. I would say less than 15% of the off lead dogs we see fall into this category. Also I tell you something, my dog is small and his reactivity is not considered "acceptable" by anyone who sees him lose his sh*t, but he deserves a life and he is always walked on lead and i block people and children from approaching him just in case.

Again the big risk with the bull terriers and xl bullys is that it is so hard to actually get them to drop their prey when they do flip out. A smaller dog or the likes of a labrador can be pried off much easier and thus have the ability to do much less damage. It doesnt resolve the owners of those dogs the responsibility of training and keeping them under control, but the risk is less. Again, like the concept of gun control - more measures are needed for the assault rifles and machine guns because the potential to do damage in the wrong hands is much much greater. I dont think banning is the way to go, but there definitely should be more controls to make sure if they are owned it is responsibly.

xhomelezz

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/xxx-bully-dogs-6171187-Sep2023/

Just saying that opinion pretty much sums up what I'm thinking.

And my personal opinion is some people can be such of cúnts when it comes to having a pet. Ignorant, not thinking before buying or getting.., at this day and age, there's so much good info online, easy to reach and read. But sure why to bother huh, the same like cranks on this thread calling for rounding some dogs and shoot them at sight. Euthanizing all of them is the solution to some. Than we have some TikTok mother's and father's here too don't we.. No responsible owner will ever own this and that animal.. In my own opinion, these posters are just a blood thirsty mob, without ability to stop for a bit and think.

Patrick2010

the brain dead comments on Journal articles never fails to amaze me. “If you’re going to ban these dogs, you’ll need to ban all dogs as a corgi can kill also”

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121120650#Comment_121120650

Didn't Cesar Milan's dog seriously maim Queen Latifahs dog while both were at a dog kennel. Not a great argument, although his methods have been condemned as abusive by animal specialists, so he isn't the most responsible of owners.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121146500#Comment_121146500

It's ridiculous nonsense. Not all dogs are the same, not all dogs are bred for the same purpose and not all dogs possess similar temperaments.

A dog that's bred for aggression, such as these XL bully disasters, have nothing in common with something like a corgi.

Patrick2010

Get attacked by a terrier or even a Labrador and a good kick will get rid of it. Once one of these dogs gets it’s teeth into you and it’s good night

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121147196#Comment_121147196

Tell that to Mia O'Connells parents whos child was killed by a dachshund x terrier, NOT a dog on the Restricted breed list OR any sort of Bull breed.

https://www.news24.com/you/archive/little-boy-killed-by-family-labrador-in-horror-attack-20170728

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/jealous-labrador-mauls-newborn-twin-22286373

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/girl-killed-suspected-dog-attack-milton-keynes-garden-b1057019.html

As i've said multiple times the so called "safe" breeds like Labradors have killed children too, notice a trend though, kids left alone in gardens or sitting rooms etc while the dogs are left unsupervised with them recipe for disaster, lets be honest small kids are not going to do as they're told if you tell them to leave a dog alone and negligent parenting/dog ownership is to blame in these cases.

REPTILEDAN88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121147019#Comment_121147019

Daddy didn't it was Junior the younger blue one Cesar raised, and as I said im not a fan of Cesars tbh for a few reasons but the fact is if Pitbulls (Apbt) was as aggressive as they're claimed to be Daddy his rednose one surely would have killed so many dogs given he lived to 16 and wasn't afaik ever muzzled but shocker he was a well trained/socialised dog so didn't.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121147289#Comment_121147289

I wasn’t talking about leaving children alone with dogs, it’s common sense not to do that

Tony EH

No child should be left alone around any dog. Anyone that does that is a gobshite You shouldn't trust any dog with a kid., even one that's been in the family for a while. Perhaps, especially one that's been in the family for a while. Because they mightn't have the same idea as you do about pecking order.

However, pretending that a lab is the same level threat as an XL Bully is just stupid, no matter what kind of canine crusade someone is on.

xhomelezz

https://www.thejournal.ie/the-explainer-restricted-dog-breeds-6175770-Sep2023/

A proper look at the problem with Nancy Creedan..

Might cool down some hot heads here.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121147196#Comment_121147196

Typical bùllshit.. If you think this works, you are delusional. There can be plenty of factors which can trigger aggressiveness in dogs and plenty of possible outcomes, so if you think you can get rid off pissed of lab just like that, good luck to you. I'm not arguing that some dogs can possibly inflict more damage than the others, but saying what you are saying is very misleading. Sad part is that some buying this kind of nonsense..

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121148515#Comment_121148515

No child should be left alone around any dog. Anyone that does that is a gobshite You shouldn't trust any dog with a kid., even one that's been in the family for a while. Perhaps, especially one that's been in the family for a while. Because they mightn't have the same idea as you do about pecking order.

What would be your definition of child, age wise? As in when would it be ok to let the dog and child alone. Every dog, no matter the breed, is different. Environment, care, training, socialization (not too sure I'm spelling this one right, but you'll know what I mean), health care, feeding, breeding, in what conditions pups were born in. It all plays a role I think.

For your second paragraph, well any size of a dog is threat to children. Takes time to educate kids and same applies to dogs . As for the threat by those two breeds, well push any of them over the top and you might get ugly surprise even by lab.

Patrick2010

Ah give up,you know well a pit bull is a dangerous dog compared to a terrier for an adult, stop talking about small dogs attacking children.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121150456#Comment_121150456

Knock off the nonsense. We all get it, you love dogs. But you're coming across as silly at this point. There's a marked difference in the threat posed by a Labrador and something like an XL Bully, no matter what "Environment, care, training, socialization" is involved. Your continued pushback against the obvious is, frankly, ridiculous.

The natural temperament of an XL Bully is a world away from that of a something like a Labrador. An into the bargain, the dogs have been naturally bred with extremely different outcomes in mind. How the dog may have been treated by its owner may have an impact on whether it'll be aggressive in certain circumstances, but with something like an XL Bully you have an animal that was bred to be aggressive, which isn't the case with breeds like a Labrador or a Golden Retriever.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121150910#Comment_121150910

Oh thanks, nice. It wasn't me who started comparing different breeds on this thread and making stupid suggestions as oh swift kick will sort out attacking lab etc. I've asked you something I was actually interested to hear from you and others here. And I got no answer, instead got the pointless lecture by you ( with nothing to stand on, I must say), and being called silly..

Billy Mays

Xl bully owners held a protest in London today against the proposed ban

Organisers banned them from bringing their dogs 😂 🤔

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121151370#Comment_121151370

You ARE being silly though. You engaging in a complete refusal to acknowledge a basic concept, that not all dog breeds are the same and that some dogs are naturally more dangerous than others, irrespective of their socialisation. This is what people are finding irksome, and you've been banging the same drum over and over in your replies.

As for swift kicks, etc, yes...you are more likely to deter a Labrador that way than you would be with the likes of an XL Bully which you'd probably just rile up with such an action. Labradors, in general, have a far different temperament and would be more inclined to back off, whereas an XL Bully would be inclined more into a repeated attack. Labradors are not bred for aggression. They naturally don't have that tendency in them.

Also a bite from a lab is likely to be less harmful than a bite from something like an XL Bully. Labradors have a "soft mouth", like all retrievers and setters and they'll have a natural inhibition in that regard. A Bully, on the other hand, will tend to bite hard and shake with determination which is a very different thing in terms of how each dog will behave in a possible attack.

While it may not be the case for every individual dog, simply put, something like this XL Bully variant is a dangerous breed and it requires more caution than other breeds. But you appear to not want to accept that fact. Without that basic acknowledgement, there's little point in continuing.

lbunnae

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121153343#Comment_121153343

Pointless arguing against that poster. Their love of dogs clouds any rational thought.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121152646#Comment_121152646

And courtesy of Sky News;

A man was taken to hospital after being bitten by a dog - believed to be an XL bully - just hours before demonstrators gathered in London to protest against a proposed ban. The victim, who is in his 40s, was attacked in Pasley Park in Southwark, southeast London, on Friday. He suffered injuries to his arm and has since been discharged from hospital. The owner of the dog, believed to be a grey-coloured XL bully, left the scene before police arrived.

So let's see

• Grown man hospitalised by dog attack - check
• XL bully - check
• Scumbag owner legging it rather than take responsibility - check

But no, there's nothing to be at all concerned about here.