Dangerous Dogs Owners

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303036#Comment_121303036

Anyway I agree I have no issue with responsible dog owners however big dogs running wild should be put down and the owners should be locked up.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303045#Comment_121303045

Wait til you realise what people or machines are capable of

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303011#Comment_121303011

The point is, that Alejandro wouldn't have to go through all of that, if that dog was properly looked after and owner was following the very basic rules which are set by the law.

Another point is even with the ban, the same will be happening again, any potentially banned breed here, will be still available from backyard breeders.

I'll say it again, even the basics are not sorted properly here. So what do you expect from the ban?

smokingman

I'll start by saying I'm a cat owner and would never be a dog owner. I would never be nasty to any animal though; dogs included.

The reason I'm not a dog owner though is because I would never demand loyalty from any animal...that whole thing of dogs being man's best friend is pure projection. Animals are not humans and us trying to make some poor animal bend to our human ways is pretty ridiculous.

My cats are at least honest with me and if they tell me to **** off in their own way, I'd prefer them to be like that than trying to be some kind of fearful brute I can replace my "masculity" with in public.

Former Former Former

The most disturbing thing about this thread is the utter lack of empathy or sympathy from the Pitbull cheerleaders on this thread for people who've suffered life changing injuries.

I honestly don't know how anyone could look at pictures of that kid in Wexford, who's disfigured for life at the age of 11, and say we don't need to do anything, things are fine.

It's absolutely inhuman.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303090#Comment_121303090

It’s not lack of empathy, but the ability to discuss a topic without getting blind sighted by emotions.

beastfromtheEast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303090#Comment_121303090

I started a thread on this poor kid a few months ago.

People are more important than animals.

I believe big dogs like this running loose should be shot on sight.

Edit I don't have any animals myself.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303106#Comment_121303106

So you've analyzed the situation in a dispassionate and rational way, and come to the conclusion that small children being savaged by dogs, bred specifically to injure and kill, is not something we need to prevent.

Interesting.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303090#Comment_121303090

I honestly don't know how anyone could look at pictures of that kid in Wexford, who's disfigured for life at the age of 11, and say we don't need to do anything, things are fine.

I think there was literally no one on this thread saying we don't need to do anything.

As for your first paragraph, if you somehow suggest some people have no empathy or sympathy on this thread, you are horribly wrong..

It's more of, if anyone oppose the idea of ban, or question it. Gets that kind of response of you.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303139#Comment_121303139

Nice though predictable rhetoric that works well on a small minded community.

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303116#Comment_121303116

People are more important than animals.

That's why smart people try to look after their animals as good as they can. It pays back good way.

And stupid takes them as a thing, or toy, or whatever. It pays back bad way.

mode1990

Of course it will , it would be offense to have such a dog , and just like an illegal firearm it would carry a custodial sentence if found in you're possession !

PsychoPete

I'd hate to see anything bad happen to any breed of dog but 9 out 10 pit bull owners are scumbags, it would be a complete waste even trying to get them to look after those dogs properly because they use as a weapon or status system not a family pet. Best way to stop these kinds of people owning these dogs is getting rid of the dog, we all know any dog can attack someone but the sheer force and strength pit bulls have makes it very hard to stop them. Locally had a case of a fella with an Akita always off the lead, reported many times by nothing was ever done about it until it killed another dog that was on a lead with it's owner. There needs to be a major camp down on these dangerous powerful breeds especially with breeding and importing of fighting breeds like Tosa, Akita,Dogo Argentino,Cane Corso etc

BrianD3

The chance of being killed by a dog in the UK is similar to the chance of being killed by lightning. Yes there has been an increase in dog attack deaths in 2022 and 2023 but as recently as 2020 there were two deaths and zero in 2018. On sky news a while ago, someone from a dog rescue organisation said that dog ownership (all breeds) tripled during Covid and that people are now trying to rehome dogs of various breeds because they've "gotten too big". Jesus wept.

Re: bans, the UK ban on Pitbulls etc. from 1991 doesn't appear to have had much effect on the number of deaths, then again it's hard to reduce the number of deaths when they are 0 or close to it in a year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

As always, irresponsible owners are the main problem and as bull breeds and crossbreeds look tough, they tend to attract a certain type of owner who should not own any dog.

It's like with road safety and certain cars being described as safe/unsafe because of the number of people killed in collisions involving them - without taking any account of the demographics or type of people that buy different types of car.

I've no skin in this game as I don't have a dog or like them and find a lot of dog owners to be stupid. The community facebook page for my area is jammed with "my dog got out again, has anyone seen him" posts. Idiots. Still, I'd be skeptical when I hear media reports shortly after a dog attack when they report that the dog is "understood to be an XL bully" when identification is not necessarily easy. It's in the media's interest to stoke up fear about XL Bully dogs and push angles and links. it's not long ago that they were trying to stoke up hysteria about women being sexually assaulted after being "injection spiked" and they're constantly at it when it comes to guns in the US too, describing semi auto rifles as "military spec" or "assault rifles" when they are neither.

xhomelezz

Just so this on Sky news

https://news.sky.com/story/xl-bully-dogs-to-be-banned-from-end-of-this-year-12996952

From the article:

Ministers said compensation would be provided to owners who decide to have their pets put to sleep by a vet.

Personally have to say that part is shocking..

rob316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303106#Comment_121303106

The conversation only goes one way though "Its the owners". There is a distinct lack of accepting that these dogs more than others have a propensity to maim or kill.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934279#Comment_119934279

I'd half take your point however different breeds have traits that were bred into them. For example (I used to do a lot of hunting with my Dad) if you want a dog that sets game you buy a, English/Irish setter and a Labrador if you want a retriever. So if a Lab brings a stick back to me I don't think anyone would be shocked. Unfortunately the same applies here, we've genetically programmed these dogs through breeding to be a certain way.

rob316

Officially banned in the UK now, if you want to keep after next Feb, you will need a license and public liability. Owners will be compensated 200 quid towards the cost of putting your dog to sleep.

PsychoPete

It's genuinely a horrible experience having to put down a dog but banning these dogs is a necessary evil. It's the only way to take them out of the hands of careless owners

Juran

If a guy walks down the street with a loaded hand gun in his pocket, and you report him to the gardai, they'd have him arrested and gun removed straight away.

If a guy walks down the street with a dangerous dog (or two) off the lead, no muzzle, and you reported him, nothing would happen.

If you risk assess both law breakers, I think its safe to say that the dog is the higer risk, especially if you are out walking your little dog, or a child is running around.

I am a huge dog and animal lover, but pitbulls, Akitas, german shepards, etc terrify me as i appreciate their power and predatory instincts. I dont see them.in our area, and I hope it stays this way.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121308128#Comment_121308128

Little dog or child? How dramatic.

Most dogs and humans, if trained or socialised properly, won’t attack anyone. The gun analogy is of the most ridiculous things I have read here in a while.

Former Former Former

The fundamental flaw in the argument that we should only target "irresponsible owners", is that it requires a dog to attack someone before an owner is proven to be irresponsible.

Thus, it doesn't prevent a single attack. The only effective preventative measure is a ban.

To continue with the gun analogy, we don't allow everyone to carry an assault rifle and only take it off them after they've shot someone. But that is the exact "logic" being put forward here.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121305058#Comment_121305058

The whataboutery here is ridiculous.

More chance of being killed by lightning. Would you ever grow up. That is not a fair comparison and you know it. Lightning doesn’t roam the streets, intimidating innocent people. Take over play grounds and parks and cause people to leave them or avoid them altogether.

These dangerous dogs are used as weapons, no different than a knife by low level criminals. The Law needs to be updated to classify them as such and allow the State to prosecute people for it.

We need to end this subterfuge that these animals are ‘just somebody’s pet’. These are abused animals, treated terribly and bred to kill.

A person does not have a right to have an animal, for any purposes, no more than they have a right to a bicycle or car.

Possessing an animal does not instantly give you greater rights to public places and trump the rights of the community to use them without fear or intimidation.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121305058#Comment_121305058

The chance of being killed by a dog in the UK is similar to the chance of being killed by lightning. Yes there has been an increase in dog attack deaths in 2022 and 2023 but as recently as 2020 there were two deaths and zero in 2018.

What do you think might have happened in the last couple of years to trigger this massive spike in dog attack deaths?

I mean, it couldn't be an increase in the popularity of XL bullies by any chance?

xhomelezz

BBC article, just shows you how ban works in the UK...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-37037799.amp

From the article:

• In the UK, since 1991, 30 people have died in dog-related incidents, with 21 involving dogs of breeds/types not prohibited by the law.
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• Battersea had to put down 91 pit bull type dogs last year that were healthy, because of the law.
• The charity believed at least 71% of them could have been rehomed as family pets due to their friendly and affectionate nature.
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• NHS hospital admission statistics show there were 7,227 hospital admissions for dog bites last year which is a 6% increase year-on-year and a 76% increase over the last 10 years.

So yeah, ban away ladies and gentlemen, problem is that you won't achieve what you hoping for.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121303064#Comment_121303064

Vibrators again!?

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121309728#Comment_121309728

Lightning doesn’t roam the streets, intimidating innocent people. Take over play grounds and parks and cause people to leave them or avoid them altogether.

Where are you living?

xhomelezz

Just an opinion right..

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/dog-welfare-6208584-Oct2023/

I'll just pull out bits and pieces from the article..

" Although the Irish are known for our hospitality around the world, unfortunately, we do not have a good reputation when it comes to our pets. Ireland has repeatedly been dubbed as the “puppy farm capital of Europe” and we are known for our disregard for the needs of the animals in our care.

All across the country dog shelters are full to capacity, they cannot keep up with the number of stray, surrendered, abandoned and mistreated dogs that require safety. In addition to the dogs currently in their care, they have long lists of dogs waiting to be signed over who are looking for a home. We have upwards of 30 council dog shelters and over 100 volunteer-run rescues in the Republic of Ireland and they are all full. This is shameful considering other countries such as Sweden have the need for only one government-funded shelter. But why is it that Ireland has such a problem looking after and caring for dogs?

In short, healthy dogs, raised correctly, do not bite. Well reared puppies do not end up in shelters. You will not find dogs from good breeders looking for a new home or surrendered to a shelter because responsible educated breeders ensure that only suitable families purchase their pups and they take back their pups if something goes wrong.

Someone who has multiple breeds or breeding females with litters cannot possibly adequately socialise and handle those puppies. Puppies need to be handled from a very young age, they need to be safely introduced to noises, smells, surfaces, people, other animals and objects in order to develop into confident, calm and content dogs

I could basically quote the whole lot.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325365#Comment_121325365

Ireland has a disgusting history when it comes to the treatment of animals. Dog racing industry and horse racing industry are full of animal cruelty. Travellers get a free pass with their treatment of horses and dogs. And judging by people on here, kill 'em all is the attitude when it comes to dogs.

When comes to this desire to torture and kill animals I'm surprised there aren't more serial killers in Ireland.

BrianD3

There are a lot of savages in this country and I'm not talking about American Bullies or any type of dog. At the same time there are plenty of ignorant people who swallow whatever the gutter press tells them. Result is we get problems with dog breeding, ownership, welfare and control and little enforcement of existing legislation. Someone gets bitten or worse by a dog that looks "tough" and then it's "ban these devil dogs".

Tabloid nonsense has polluted this thread. The media feeds off and perpetuates this stuff as can be seen below - devil dogs, beasts, lion expert called in and of course, accompanied by a scary pic.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/lion-expert-called-knock-out-27247684

Also I've known a couple of individuals employed as dog wardens in Councils and they should not be in any position of authority. And here we have a dog warden quoted as describing the Presa Canario breed as "pure evil".

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/enniscorthy-news/no-dogs-are-banned-in-ireland-but-11-are-on-restricted-list/42200601.html