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Charts ( Up to T120 ) Winter 2022/2023 ** READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

  • 30-11-2022 6:43pm
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    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Mod Note


    This thread is for posting/discussing/analyzing CHARTS in the shorter range timeframe up to T120 hours for Winter 2022/2023.


    If your post does not specifically relate to a chart then it doesn't belong here - Off topic posts will be moved


    Thanks


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    After a very mild and wet Autumn Winter is now upon us and for once we are not starting off winter with an unending conveyer belt of Atlantic driven muck. We are entering a colder than average spell as we begin the 1st day of winter and temperatures will slowly slide away over the coming week. Temperatures will generally stay above freezing both by day and night over the coming week with winds in from the east, but not a cold easterly for week 1 of December.

    Thankfully we are now also entering a much dryer spell of weather, a welcome relief after 3 months of deluges. It should be mostly dry until Sunday when showers may begin to move in from the Irish sea and cross the country. These showers are likely to be of rain for the most part as temperatures by Sunday still won't be cold enough for wintry precipitation away from high ground.

    Precipitation amounts of the next week look fairly low especially in western and northern areas with Leinster and coastal parts of the south experiencing more in the way of rainfall from showers particularly on Sunday.

    Winds over the coming week will primarily be from an easterly direction but not dragging in properly cold air as of yet but it will feel cooler than what we've been used to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    One could not wish for a much better +96 hr chart in the first week of December. At DAY 4 we have a highly amplified pattern. We have a Polar vortex in tatters, a very blocked Atlantic, a Greenland high, and a trough dropping down through Scandinavia.

    GFS


    UKMO -


    ECM -




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The Fax showing a weak front later Tues or into Weds but behind it will be watching for troughs moving down in the colder Northerly airflow. Preliminary projection from the ECM showing mixed wintry precipitation later Weds through the early hours of Thursday with a possible light dusting of lying snow Thurs morning in places, more so the Northern half of the country, could be the first real icy morning in places, struggling to get up over 0C in places by midday from tonights charts.









  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Very cold charts leading into Thurs from the GFS 18Z





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    528 dam line on Thursday across much of Ireland with plenty of instability means snowfall is likely.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Harmonie model has a narrow band of wintry (ish) precipitation on Thursday pushing South through the Midlands and East towards the end of the 12Z run.

    Borderline DPs. So a little bit of the white stuff might be possible.




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM 12z brings that low right into Ireland and the mild air with it from the 13th.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The ECM 12z is not surprising, we could see from the models this morning that there has been a significant increase in a milder outcome from the 13th. This cold spell is a largely snowless affair so if the ECM is correct, a bit of a reset wouldn't do any harm. Hopefully a reload before New Year's and a more unstable and snowy cold spell next time (if this is correct). A fair chance that we will get another cold spell later.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I think those posts might be for the post 120hr thread Gonzo?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Unfortunately I posted in the wrong one by mistake! However at this point I think everything to do with the cold spell up to next Monday would be fine in here at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    My god, you're unbelievable, no matter what you get, you're not satisfied, you were initially looking for cold weather, but now that's not good enough and you want snow too, the cold spell hasn't even started and you're already talking about hoping to get another cold spell later thats more pleasing , I swear you'd eventually start complaining about the consistency of the snow if there was 20 foot drift outside your house.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fair bit of a downgrade on this now. 6Z Harmonie run has only small pockets of precipitation moving south.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭almostthere12


    Hey Gonzo, how are you coming to that conclusion? The op has us in - 8 uppers by the end of next week and we stay mainly in - 4 uppers before that. I'm just looking at the op so has it gone the mild route in the ensembles?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The run I was referring to was about 2 days ago. Alot has changed since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭almostthere12


    Haha forgot every thread is not buzzing and never looked at when you'd actually posted it!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭almostthere12


    Both the ECM and GFS are showing that low heading south early next week but both have some precipitation being sent into the south of the country especially on Tuesday, looks like one to watch if I am reading this correctly?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Icon looking good for Tuesday, hopefully if this verifies we see a bit more in the way of inland movement on those snow showers.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    6Z Harmonie hinting at some wintry stuff in the North-East tomorrow afternoon. Worth keeping an eye on.

    UKMO HD not showing anything for the same time however.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,022 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




    Tuesday could be entertaining in the east to say the least



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Arpege showing that too it seems. All models though showing that sliver of cork city coast again being white, is this a model thing or just a warm sector because every time snow shows up on charts this happens haha. Coastal winds(going all the way to the city it seems)




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    They did the same in 2018 as you say and yet the nearer you were to the coast the more snow you saw. Just some built in computer assumption that overdoes warming influence of the sea I reckon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Haven't time to analyse charts at the moment other than to say this cold spell is quickly turning into a memorable one. Minus 2c here at 6pm is dare I say it 2010 territory with let's face it no end in sight.

    Tuesday and Wednesday looking excellent for Corks snow hopes!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Bit of snow in the south based on this GFS chart at +84



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    The models are all over the place regarding the track and intensity of next weekend's Atlantic low. The op runs all indicate less cold weather from Sunday the 18th but a look at the ensembles is needed. It does look that with the Greenland block in place and a Scandi high forming that the outcome is far from certain.

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)



    Re: next weekend and into the following week.

    Without the benefit of seeing the ensembles yet, there is another shift in the ECM op run to heights extending from between Iceland and Greenland southeast towards Ireland. The result is that the Atlantic doesn't break through as quickly as it was showing on the ECM up to yesterday morning and continues to show on the GFS. In this ECM run, the northeast of Ulster manages to hold on to the cold uppers


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    In reality the ground will be frozen solid by next weekend so warm uppers even if they do encroach will do little to the feel of the weather. Remaining bitter at least up to Sunday on that ECM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    The ECM op a milder run than the mean. Certainly doesn't look like warming up as significantly as indicated previously after next weekend.


    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Wrong thread Wolf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (410ft asl)


    Thanks @Neddyusa

    Just spotted that. Apologies Mods.

    www.x.com/wolfeeire



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,693 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    GFS 18z is.... Something

    ☃️☃️☃️


    One two many drinks I think!


    Could it be so wrong T +72 hours?!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭Tom Cruises Left Nut


    Still there on the 0z



  • Registered Users Posts: 427 ✭✭Robwindstorm


    That looks a fairly nasty swipe of squally winds around next Tuesday. There could be warnings for the west and Donegal I would imagine. Could cause problems in the lead up to Christmas after all the calm frosty weather



  • Registered Users Posts: 133 ✭✭KingJeremy


    Someone mention on another thread a couple of days ago about possibility of snow in midlands Friday night (tonight) or early Saturday morning… any hope at all now for that 🙏🥺🙏 ??



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Not likely, we are now starting to lose the grip of the cold spell with milder air already in western coastal areas. Temperatures tonight nowhere near as cold as previous nights, generally 1 to -3C and tomorrow 4 to 8C so a rapid thaw in the morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 133 ✭✭KingJeremy


    Not the answer I was hoping for, but thanks for the reply Gonzo



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,980 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The cold spell is coming to an end now and temperatures will lift up alot over the next few days. On Tuesday it looks as if we could have some fairly stormy conditions as a deep area of low pressure tracks very close to Ireland with the Atlantic back in charge.


    Gusts up to 90km/h possible in places especially across western and north-western counties.

    Tuesday looks to be fairly windy with bands of rain pushing across the country and temperatures around 5 or 6C, so much cooler than Sunday and Monday. These strong winds could have a fairly biting wind chill factor to them combined with cold rain.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Niall145


    Yep, looks like turning to total crap after this weekend; might head to the Dublin Mountains tomorrow morning to see the snow one last time!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Just keeping an eye on that deep area of LP skirting by us later Fri into Saturday. Breezy and quite wet frontal passage on Fri , timing not certain yet followed by windy conditions along W, SW, S and SE coastal counties and blustery inland with showers or a few longer spells of rain later Fri into Saturday.

    Currently not looking too strong but could have blustery showers on Saturday adding to the woes of last minute shopping!

    Looks a bit milder Fri ,up around 10C apart from N counties that bit cooler and Sat highs of 8 to 10C , mildest further South , cooler further N.

    Initially mild enough and then drawing down colder airs later Christmas eve into Christmas day, a few places could have a frosty start Christmas morning. .




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭adocholiday


    Icon out on its own with the winds in that low. Showing up to 100kmph gusts on Saturday afternoon for the South East where the rest of the models are around the 60-70 mark. Still only yellow territory regardless but still potential for power outages etc on Christmas Eve, worth keeping an eye on.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Models have eased off the winds considerably for Saturday, breezy to blustery. Wet day on Fri mainly from the frontal passage which should be gone through early in the day for most of the country, clearing Northern counties early evening. , not too bad away from coastal areas on Saturday but still will have showers moving inland in places, might be a few thunderstorms around the coasts Fri and Sat, more so Sat but might be mainly over the sea. Fairly high rainfall accumulations around coastal fringes especially over high terrain.

    Relatively mild getting up to highs of around 11C on Fri and Sat.






  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Much colder air from early Sunday for a day or so perhaps, models showing a frontal passage from early morning passing down the country from a NW'ly direction on Christmas day with following cold airmass behind it which should produce some wintry precipitation, more so in the NW, N, might not have much if any sticking on lower elevations for long but could have some white mountain tops and a bit on hills .





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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    ECM / ICON/ UKMO has upped the ante on the latest runs with a very disturbed weather pattern around midweek, models are different on track and intensity atm but all showing deep LP's near us. ECM currently looks very windy or stormy around next Weds and I left it run into Thurs as it is from the same parent system. Charts below will undoubtedly change track and strength a bit but good to note and see how the models develop this.

    Tues from early morning looking windy on the coasts and blustery blustery overland some heavy rain also.

    Just to note could see another deep system around Fri.










  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Do you think their is potential to get a named storm sometime next week?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Don't know, At the moment showing the system on Weds to deepen fairly quickly as it transits Ireland. But a long way to know with accuracy what its track and strength will be . For now just to note it could be very windy or stormy around midweek or over a couple of days. the Jet is picking up pace this week , very close or over us and that will have a major bearing also.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    European models looking quite similar atm for next Weds but that's not to say that this might take a different track and intensity but for now showing potential for stormy weather next Weds and possibly into Thurs. GFS not showing it as strong at this stage, GEM showing something strong too.






  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some of the ensembles for Wednesday. I wouldn’t fancy number 9 happening. Potentially severe storm in prospect with this scenario. 15 & 13 keep the system a bit further away.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also 23 brings a fairly strong LP over Ireland. 28 has a stronger low but is further away.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ECM & GFS for Wednesday. Not looking like a big event at this stage.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    6Z ECM for Wednesday evening. Fairly tight gradient over Ireland.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    It certainly does 17-pdr, tighter more organized depression, models went to disarray for the last few runs but bunching up again, could see rather unsettled weather continue into Thurs and possibly on Fri also but forecasts far from resolved yet. Will be interesting to se the ECM 12C later. ICON a bit more S with the stronger winds, ARPEGEE has a different structure and depth to the system but strong winds nonetheless with different timings, think this model has a bit of catching up to do yet.







  • Registered Users Posts: 1 BestWestern


    Looks like my Rosslare -> Cherbourg on the 30th is going to be rough!



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