The Traitors

Panthro

All Ash had to was vote Paul and say "you play a good game". Boom, Zack and Jaz would know for certain they were correct in suspecting Paul.

HildaOgdenx

Part of their oath, though, was that they wouldn't betray another traitor.

Can't remember exact wording, but that was the general gist.

I loved this last year and wasn’t going to watch it this year as I didn’t think it would be as good especially knowing the way the format

sure who was I kidding, gripped again! I would rather they have left the spoiler of Diane and Ross for another few episodes…it was too early on, barely knew most of their names so it didn’t really wow me

Paul is a physcopath! Paul for the win!

Hippodrome Song Owl

I think Paul is a bit of an idiot tbh. Foolish.

So far I think Harry is the shrewd one, and much better at putting on a credible act. And ruthless.

Galwayguy35

I think the ex soldier who lost his leg is the soundest one in it.

Paul is so arrogant can't wait to see him gone.

HildaOgdenx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603696#Comment_121603696

I like him too.

Jonny. I still haven't got all the names.

Lad GAGA

Enjoyed last years series and this one is shaping up to be just as good. Would love if Harry and Miles murdered Paul but can't see it happening.

Hippodrome Song Owl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603737#Comment_121603737

Apparently a traitor can't murder a traitor.

Trigger Happy

Paul is grinding on me now. Harry and Miles might realise soon that he would throw them under the bus without pausing for breath. I do think Paul will talk himself into a banishing though.

Zach is proving to be a clever one but no one really listens to him.

appledrop

I liked Paul at the start but now think he is an idiot.

Totally stupid idea to put himself in dungeon, no one even had an inkling it was him but then the chats when he wasn't there started the doubts

I thought himself and Harry were very foolish the way they went gun ho on Ash.

That actually didn't have enough 'evidence' if there were true faithfulls that she was a traitor.

I hope others think that true.

Can't understand why Ash didn't vote for Paul, as others said she didn't have to say much so not breaking the rules could have been something like you have no evidence it's me or something like that, but as others said would put the focus back then on Paul.

Can't wait for tonight!

Poor Meg, bye bye.

HildaOgdenx

I want Paul to stay a while yet because he is a pain and will show himself up more and more, I think, as time goes on.

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603678#Comment_121603678

Harry was playing a very good game but I think he messed up last night going after Ash with Paul.

Hippodrome Song Owl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603926#Comment_121603926

Well, Miles voted for her too in the end. And she is gone, which is the safest result for them once they turned on her.

Neowise

Think Miles got away with a screw up at breakfast saying that, 'why andrew, andrew is a random one', when there was four left and before host told folks about the remaining 4 being dungeoned, sure, everybody else was waiting to see who was next to come through the door, and miles knew it was all 4.

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603988#Comment_121603988

Yes but Miles just looked like he went along with group but not fully sure, it was actually a great move by him.

Penn

It wouldn't have made sense for Ash to vote for Paul on her way out, and would have been far too obvious a revenge move or signal to others that Paul is a traitor. If they all did that, it'd completely ruin the game. Ash was done and Paul wouldn't have gotten the votes to be banished anyway.

Real shock though that they didn't go for Paul last night themselves anyway. I definitely don't have much faith in the faithfuls. They knew it wouldn't make sense for the Traitors to kill Meg instead of Paul when Paul was popular and there was already a lot of suspicion on Meg, and then when Paul came in for breakfast most of them instantly forgot that. I think suspicion might fall back on him quick enough but these people aren't sheep, they're headless chickens.

Harry pulled off a great move voting for Jonny last night. That took guts and was tough for him, but damn it was the right move because I think it also cemented him as a faithful to a lot of people. Miles is doing fine but I could see things turning on him sharply towards the end.

Have to say I also like how they've changed up the shield challenge this series. Now it's a lot more obvious who has the shields rather than one shield pretty much protecting whatever team won the challenge (because they agreed not to reveal who got the shield).

HildaOgdenx

I was sorry to see Jonny leave, I really liked him. A sound character.

He came across well on the Uncloaked programme too.

Basq

If Paul's gets banished, I'd say Harry and Miles are in trouble. Neither are confident enough to go far, so I can see enlisting of further traitors shortly if it does happen.

Even with some of Paul's silly decisions and Anthony raising suspicions very vocally around the round table - he went away still pretty much clean.

They won't get murder Diane anyways.. that's for sure - neither of the other two will be missed tbh.

Could be even better than Season 1 this early on.

Necro

Yeah yesterday was a bit of a dip for me, it went back to the faithfuls being more lemming-like and railroading poor Jonny over one person's poorly articulated reasonings. Ross directly contradicted himself too, his first point was that Jonny was too quiet and then he mentioned that he called people out - you can't have it both ways Ross just because you don't like who he calls out doesn't mean he's being quiet. Of course literally nobody backed him up at all.

Anthony was 100% right the correct tactical move was to take Paul off the table as he exists as a Schrodinger's Cat essentially at present, he could be a faithful being set up but also could be pulling a double bluff (in the eyes of the players anyways). However I fully expect poor Anthony to be railroaded out and banished in the next episode.

Jazz is being ridiculous too, afraid to call out Paul in case it puts a target on his back so whispering sweet nothings into other people's ears. The round table is the place for all this stuff and you don't have the courage and conviction to air your grievances you're about as useful as a fart in a blanket.

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121603578#Comment_121603578

True but I think was Ash was just not cut out to be a traitor. Doubt that would have ever crossed her mind. Paul's cockiness could be his undoing but the faithful need to get their act together first. I think Harry could be next in the firing line for Paul. Wouldn't surprise me if he threw him under the bus in a few days. Miles is playing an absolute blinder so far. Anthony and Jaz need to form an alliance.

HildaOgdenx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121605804#Comment_121605804

Part of the oath the traitors took was not to betray the others so I don't think Ash could have done that, even if she wanted to.

It would be a shame anyway imo if she did. It's better fun watching them trying to guess and being mostly hopelessly wrong.

Jonny was one of the few I felt had a lot going for him. An interesting character. It's a shame he is out so early on.

Penn

Man the murder in plain sight thing was so clumsily planned and implemented compared to the kiss of death last series. That was just horrible to watch.

archfi

Jaz has put 2 and 2 sort of together re-Paul and Harry, but I doubt anything will come from it unless he grows a pair (puts himself at risk) and manages to convince others.

I mean I call the Faithfuls thick as fck every series I have *watched but to be honest if I was in there, which would be without the benefit of being a viewer, I'd probably make crappy decisions as well like banishing someone for winking differently or something equally ridiculous (to a viewer)

The actual rock bottom thickest point of this series was that the vast majority of faithfuls didn't think Paul's survival was a bit suspicious at all even though seconds before he waltzed in they'd all said that they 100% expected him to be murdered! but no, he 'couldn't possibly be a bad 'un, he's soooo luvverly'

*The only one where I think the faithfuls were all *genuinely* thick as pigshite was Ozzie Series 2 [RIP]

BorneTobyWilde

Paul basically has I'm a Traitor written on his forehead, and no one cares, as he's such a nice boy. Worst set of faithfuls ever.

Have they forgotten already that it was between him and Meg getting murdered, and he walked in with a grin on his face, that was a give away, and then they all saw a squirrel run by and forgot.

JP Liz V1

Paul sort of outed Harry as a fellow traitor to Jaz who needs to speak up more at the table discussion about Paul, like how is being kept as popular and loud "not killed" and I was sure Anthony, Charlie and Zack were also suspicious of Paul, Charlotte is useless and Jasmine just keeps going for shields, psychic Tracy knew nothing

I hope there is a twist and Diane didn't drink

Paul, Miles and Harry were missing together and then Miles returns with a chalice, someone surely copped something

fritzelly

Loving this season - love the new challenges, love there is no auto shield and you have to go out of your way to get it

But by god the faithful are absolutely useless, not one cohesive thought between them

Hope Diane is not gone

Can see Harry making it all the way to the end and winning, he's too nicey nicey for anyone to suspect

Poochie05

Paul gave Harry away in his chat with Jaz, he’s so cocky it didn’t even occur to him what he was doing. But all the banished Faithful seem genuinely shocked to learn Harry is a traitor when it’s revealed to them so I can see him going all the way. After last night Miles is starting to look very shifty after flying under the radar so far, but I think they’ll start to turn their attention towards him.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609636#Comment_121609636

Same as last year, it's turned into a popularity contest instead of an actual game where logic and reason isn't important 😂

Lad GAGA

I reckon Paul has started to realise that Harry is a real danger to him and has started the process of throwing him under a bus. But Harry is pretty ruthless too and more popular, so he won't be slow in sensing that and retaliating. But you can also see that Paul is working on outing Miles. Jaz has figured it out about Paul and Harry but will he have the cohunas to put it out there?

JP Liz V1

I didn't realise there was an Eva or Evie until last night

Panthro

It's fascinating watching Jaz. He knows full well Paul's a traitor. He's pieced together (through Paul's rather silly move) that Harry and Paul are in cahoots. Yes Jaz can't say anything because Paul's too popular in the group, and if he did he's putting a massive target on his back. He needs to get Zack n Ross on side.

talla10

Paul will win the money because he has a hardcore group of followers who instantly defend him at the round table despite the overwhelming evidence that if Paul was a faithful he is much too dangerous not to murder. Plus the screw up putting himself in the dungeon. No way anyone should believe Meg was more a threat to the Traitors than Paul which all faithful's should have realised.

HildaOgdenx

 Plus the screw up putting himself in the dungeon.

I agree although I think he put himself in so that Ash would then be readily agreeable to going in too. Plus he knows he is Mr Popular although I'm not sure why.

I wonder if the faithful will ever get it together enough to start recognising the traitors instead of almost manufacturing reasons to believe they are traitors. 'You looked at me funny just then, you must be a traitor...' kinda thing.

Also, Miles wasn't a good choice of traitor, imo. He is too nice, and is uncomfortable with the role. And why did he jump up on the wall for that last mission 😁

talla10

Myles does that every mission- He does not want to work for the team in a physical challenge!

Getting back to the Faithful V Traitor I have no confidence that the Faithful will win. Harry has never been mentioned as a possibility and Paul could literally tell everyone what he is and some would refuse to believe it!

I do think Paul and Harry will give up Myles if they are under pressure to give up another traitor.

archfi

Notice Paul called out Miles' absolute laziness on the task to the whole team and to a few of the faithful individually.

That's both Harry and Miles he's fingered in one episode.

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617364#Comment_121617364

Miles performed poorly in that task. Not sure what he was playing at. Jaz has Harry and Paul, definitely the later, sussed now but he can't really do anything about it. The faithful are not going to vote for Paul at the moment. If Jaz survives he can go for Paul later on this week. Really hope that Diane takes a pass on the chalice. That'd be a nice twist.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121612797#Comment_121612797

I thought Zack was suss on Paul but then was tunnelled on Anthony

If Jaz speaks what he knows to Diane, Ross, Charlie and Zack he might get them on side

HildaOgdenx

Roll on Wednesday night. 😁

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121621194#Comment_121621194

This is the type of show you just wanna binge - saw the first 3 episodes of the US version (much better clued on to the traitors)

Trigger Happy

I am loving this show - first time watching it.

To paraphrase what someone said above - the Faithful are more lemmings than sheep.

Really poor performance by them. Poor deduction. Poor logic. Poor decision making. Banishing people for been too quiet. Banishing people for been too vocal. Banishing people for getting nervous. Banishing people for been too cocky. Not looking at facts.

Zach and Jaz have the brains to figure it all out but have the communication skills of a potato.

A City rising

I think you have to live in the UK to be able to enter.

Panthro

What a brilliant episode!

appledrop

God almighty what a brilliant twist tonight!

I wonder did they just add that twist because the faithfuls were so woeful at identifying traitors.

Basq

Properly gripping episode..

Harry's comment to Zack during Miles/Paul argument - "do you think this is two traitors going at each other?"

archfi

Now that was episode of the series I think.

I was praying Ross would be so overcome from seeing his mammy 'buried' thast he'd blurt out 'mum' at some stage during the roundtable as his X Factor-like interview sounded corny as hell.

By the way, Diane was ANYTHING but brilliant at the game and definitely wasn't a 'huge threat' like she's been made out. She had a bob haircut, a Norn Irish accent and wide apart eyes - that's it!

And her son Ross is even worse at the game (and also has wide apart eyes)

Miles actually impressed me a bit - went from slovenly waster/doormat to having a few minutes of seemingly putting the smug, punchable but not very clever Paul under some pressure at the roundtable, fair play. Hopefully but doubtfully, the pressure furthers on Paul tomorrow. I think Jaz or Evie will be under the spotlight more in tomorrow's episode.

Harry is without doubt the real kingpin Traitor and has been since day 1, hope he wins the cash.

I think the one they should recruit is either Ross or Andrew - they be easy lambs to the slaughter though I think they'll pick Zack (which is Harry's pick)

Panthro

Harry is a stone cold baller, and I'm absolutely loving it!

Paul thinking he's masterminding everything, and he's basically Harry's puppet! It's hilarious.

JP Liz V1

I was hoping Paul would out go over Miles, I thought Miles had talked himself up a bit more bussing Paul and also Evie didn't overhear Diane's exact words, their faces ultimately when Paul is revealed as a traitor who they now see as the "faithful hero" should be meme worthy funny

Jaz picking Andrew when he was the most suss on Paul, wtf

Be good if the recruited refused

Harry I think deserves to win

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/the_traitors_/status/1747751359653228926

😆 ..

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121632053#Comment_121632053

Diane was pretty brilliant at the game not in the sense that she could identify the Traitors, but she was well liked, respected, threw herself into the tasks, was a team player through and through, and wasn't afraid to speak up at the Roundtable right from the start. She was great in that if she voiced her opinion about who a Traitor was, others listened and many would follow. She was also unlikely to ever be banished.

She was undoubtedly a threat to the Traitors because she became a figure that could sway other Faithfuls, but would have been very difficult for the Traitors to try and convince the others to banish her. And as the game got closer to the end, if she threw her eye on Paul or Harry I think she could easily have swayed enough of the other Faithfuls to vote with her.

I agree though that Miles impressed me at the Roundtable, and actually managed to hold his own against Paul. He was always a goner though. That's why the 'poison chalice' thing was a bit unfair. Once Claudia told them someone was 'poisoned' it started to become far too easy to follow the breadcrumbs back to who gave Diane a drink. There had been no suspicion on Miles but trying to get someone to drink from a specific glass under a time pressure was always going to be so clunky that it really directs a spotlight on a specific Traitor, especially when that faithful is able to walk around for half the next day and tell everyone "These are the people who gave me drinks last night". At least with the 'Kiss of Death' last series, it was an act so unnoticable, Claudia I think only said the murder happened in plain sight, and the Faithful was murdered that night and couldn't tell people about his interactions the night before.

That said, the funeral mission was really well done. Might have been better if we all didn't know who'd drank from the chalice, but even then as missions go it was a lot more entertaining than most other ones.

HildaOgdenx

On the first night, one of the few names I remembered at the end was Diane. She was an interesting character, I think she might have been a good traitor. I figured she had to go, fairly soon, and I loved the way that was done. Especially when she turned up at breakfast.😁

Miles fought well at the round table but I'd say he skipped out the door quite happily. A lovely man, and not a good choice of traitor, imo. I love the shock the faithful get, as they are eliminated and discover who the actual traitors are.

Harry is the best at the traitor thing, imo.

Looking forward now to seeing who they recruit, assuming that person agrees to join them, of course.