BYD Seal

RainInSummer

Right, this is the file I downloaded and renamed:

DrPsychia

@Gumbo did you decide yet between the Seal AWD and new M3P yet, or are you waiting for a M3P test drive? M3P is quicker of course but the AWD Seal is the better overall package for the price IMO. At least you'd have reliable auto wipers😂

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190258#Comment_122190258

What's the OTR price and expected range of the M3P? I assume price will be a bit higher and then there's the argument of is anything faster than the 3.8s of the Seal really useable/necessary?

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190258#Comment_122190258

I haven’t tbh

Both of them offer no value to pay to swap. Current M3P is faster than the Seal AWD and handles better based on my experience. Not enough in both of them to justify a 20k or 30k payout for a reg plate.

I’ve been driving one for the last week though. Very similar to the Tesla. Nothing is better but nothing is worse. It’s kinda personal choice which you pick at this stage.

One thing is for sure, I won’t jump before driving the new M3P first.

I also took an ID4 GTX for a week. Not for me. Nothing in it. Nothing, performance is weak. The 204bhp version is lacking and the GTX felt as bad at mid 70’s SOC. It felt no difference to the eNiro I drove to the garage in.

Gumbo

Double post

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190290#Comment_122190290

€61k

Not sure of range but should be similar to the AWD Seal 400’ish every day

Current older M3P is already faster so that’s that side of things covered. It’s personal choice and how each car puts that power down.

AUDI20

Succes Thanks to all the help on here, got 2403 update installed this evening after a long day of failures. Started from scratch and downloaded from Firefox. No problem. Safari was my problem all along.

djan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190327#Comment_122190327

Thanks for the info. At that price given the lesser features of the M3 not much reason to go for it just for the extra performance IMO.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190661#Comment_122190661

Not sure the M3 has less features to be honest. Just both do the same thing in different ways.

It’s more noticeable at the lower end. I wouldn’t say the RWD Seal is worth €8k more than the RWD Model 3.

Brianod73

Trying to downgrade to 2307 to sideload apps before updrading to 2403. Followed all the steps and process initiates but after few mins says Verification of Upgrade Failure and brings up a Close button. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Have tried multiple times usi g the files from Xinger Tech.

yllw.ldbttr

Another nice feature I hadn't noticed but I think only appeared in 2403.

Vertical 3 finger swipe on the screen manages temperature control

Horizontal 3 finger swipe on the screen manages fan speed.

Slightly easier than swiping up and entering the controls.

yllw.ldbttr

Duplicate

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193482#Comment_122193482

Are you going from 2403 direct to 2307 or via 2310?

Brianod73

Currently on 2310 and looking to go down to 2307. Once sideload will then look to go to 2403

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122194600#Comment_122194600

Do you have a screenshot of the error message?
Typically if it's a config or setup issue the downgrade fails immediately - unusual for it to kick off and then fail later.

You mentioned verification failure, does your car have mobile data/ wifi enabled?

dodzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122193482#Comment_122193482

You are not altering the contents (or rename anything) related to the files within the zip folder?

You definitely downloaded the correct files from his shared cloud drive ? 131.33.xxxx?

You have the naming of all folders correct?

You do not have a zip.zip extension on the important folder?

Did yoy try alternate USB stick?

Brianod73

It was the USB that was the problem. Used 4gb USB, big enough for the download but think need more spave for it to work. Was able to downgrade, sideload and update to 2403 withoit issues on larger USB.

EFX

The phone app had a survey added to it last night,

1. likely to recommend to someone
2. the dealer satisfaction / customer experience

made the point in the first about slow role out of OTA updates relative to other countries.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190711#Comment_122190711

It depends needs and wants. Seal RWD comes with 6 year/150k general warranty (4years/80k with M3), 8 year/200k battery/drive unit warranty (160k with M3 RWD). Parking sensors, 85km more range (as per ev-database), 360 camera, wireless apple carplay, wired android auto, rear cross traffic alert, rain sensor, stalks, better blind spot warning implementation, slightly quicker acceleration, BYD doesn't have the constant bingbongs from 'autopilot'/'autosteer' engagement/disengagement, better thermally insulated panoramic sunroof, easier access isofix points, no phantom breaking from BYD's version of 'autopilot', vehicle to load, no dysfunctional wipers, more rear passenger space,

Seal has a more premium interior; sound system is probably par with M3 RWD but definitely nowhere near M3LR.

M3 offers Matrix lights, One-pedal-driving, Sentry (Might be coming soon to Seal), better app at present, ranger service, more storage space, supercharging network isn't a pro anymore since they opened all chargers apart from Sandyford.

If you compare cost per kilometre of range, the Seal is actually better value: M3 RWD €38,607, Seal RWD €45,986
M3RWD costs €93 per kilometre of range (415km average as per ev-database)
BYD Seal RWD costs €92 per Kilometre of range(500km average as per ev-database)

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200080#Comment_122200080

Yeah seems loads of differences based on that list alright.

Warranty is the big stand out item there to me. All of the other things are personal tastes and likes.

I wasn’t aware all supercharging sites in Ireland are open except sandyford. I thought it was still just the 4?

Your cost per km on range is a bit misleading though as the seal requires 82kwh to travel that 500km (EVDB figure) where as the M3 only needs 60 kWh to do the 415km (EVDB Figure). Have you factored that into the figures?

Even using both those figures from EVDB can be incorrect many of the RWD owners in the FB group report 450km range in eco mode. My brothers is 23.6kwh/100km at the moment in the AWD.

I won’t argue the quality of interior etc as that’s very subjective alright and what some see as better, others will see as cheap same for the minimalist design I suppose.

2 great options for people in the saloon market which is very limited IMO

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200080#Comment_122200080

Sorry to nitpick but android auto has been wireless since the car was launched, apple carplay was wired until 2403 update (which isn't yet OTA), since 2403 apple carplay is also now wireless.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200189#Comment_122200189

It’s a good nitpick though.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200129#Comment_122200129

I don't believe it's misleading. Cost per kWh of battery is overall lower with Seal, but also range per € is better than M3.

Seal RWD: 45,986/82.5 = €557 per kWh
Model 3 RWD: 38,607/60 = €643 per kWh

I mean yeah, if you're looking purely at efficiency, M3 is the best but still get less range per €.

M3 RWD: 415/57.5 = 7.22 km/kWh
Seal RWD: 500/82.5 = 6.06 km/kWh

EV-Database headline range is just an average between the worst and best efficiency. Both Seal and M3 can average higher or lower efficiency depending on many variables. M3's can average worse efficiency than Ev-database's average estimate. I'm not cherry picking, I'm using data from a database that's reputable and regularly referred to on various forums.

eagerv

One advantage of the Seal over the Tesla is the free colour options, both externally and internally. I think Tesla is missing a trick there, the price rapidly goes up if you want any other colour but white out and black in.

Otherwise very much a personal choice, great to see two good, reasonably priced, well equipped saloon cars..

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200209#Comment_122200209

I’m not trying to argue btw. Just cross referencing….

So the cost to travel 100km is cheaper in the Model 3 but the cost to buy is cheaper in the Seal.

Assume a round figure of 10c/kwh

415km is €6 in the M3.
500km is €8.20 in the Seal. (€6.80 pro rata to 415km).
So very little in it based on EVDB figures.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200211#Comment_122200211

yep you're right, add interior option to that also. The Taihiti blue is a free option also for the seal, white interior costs €1200 for the M3

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200221#Comment_122200221

€1200 plus the added VRT costs. So can work out more.
Realistically the BYD blue interior won’t age well IMO. Black is the way to go. But again, it’s a personal choice.

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200221#Comment_122200221

Approx 2k incl VRT.

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200215#Comment_122200215

indeed, but as @eagerv said, most colour options are free, same with interior.

Thus considering all of that, including extra warranty, I think the Seal represents the best overall value.

Cost difference to run afterwards is peanuts really, anyone who can afford a a new M3 or Seal wouldn't notice it.

jaymac430

I can’t post the link, but there is an excellent YouTube review that ties in perfectly to the discussion above (especially that everything is basically std on the Seal).
Reviewer is Auto Social UK and review is “This car blew me away……

Technically the M3 is probably better in many ways, but after having driven both (and bought a Seal RWD in Atlantis Grey with blue interior), imo the Seal is km?😀 ahead of the M3

Sealman

Your brother must have a heavy right foot Gumbo. I am getting 20.2 kwh/100 km from my awd

DrPsychia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200429#Comment_122200429

Technically the M3 is better in some things, mainly efficiency, but Tesla had many years to refine the M3 through continuous iterative development. I believe once BYD's e-platform 3.0 evo eventually makes its way into the Seal it will close that efficiency gap further. The Seal could improve upon aero efficiency, problem is that cars start to look similar when chasing lower drag, not a problem for me but I know some people would say they're copying Tesla. Reality is that there are not many options when it comes to designing a mass market practical aerodynamic car.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200699#Comment_122200699

Drives it like a normal car. No pre heating, no heating up etc

If you’re worried and drive in eco mode, you should have bought a RWD.

I’m currently getting 16.6 in my AWD EV too so yeah, heavy foot or higher average speeds than what we would do.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200699#Comment_122200699

Same just checked over 9k km in

Driven without any EV mindset whatsoever

yllw.ldbttr

Anyone else on 2403 getting the "Cap is not closed

" message every time you start the car?
Goes away after a few seconds, so not a major issue but seems like a bug.

Sealman

Which mode do you use Listermint eco or normal?

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201374#Comment_122201374

ECO. It's 80 percent wife driver. She fast..

listermint

What's a cap !? 😕

DEFIE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200893#Comment_122200893

I have 2403 and I dont get this message. Have you checked the charging port door. I think that is what is referred to as the "cap". can become an issue if you have installed an aftermarket seal on the charge door according to other FB forums

Vico1612

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200893#Comment_122200893

sorry not an answer to your question but curious to understand how you got 2403 installed ? My AWD is still on some old software

Sealman

Safer to keep in eco then!😀😀😀

In my experience awd is still very quick even in eco

DEFIE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202084#Comment_122202084

All covered here if you go back a few pages

AUDI20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200699#Comment_122200699

I am getting 16.5kwh/100 at the moment on the RWD. Thats average to date so has come down from 17.4 so must be doing something right.

Sealman

I think as thecweather warms up range will improve, my awd is actually gone down to 19.6 kwh/100 km now

yllw.ldbttr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122201542#Comment_122201542

No aftermarket seals on my seal.

I assume it's a software bug as it's only appearing since 2403 and the charging flap is closed.

RainInSummer

I have an aftermarket seal on my Seal. No errors 2403 or previous.

DEFIE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202779#Comment_122202779

That makes me feel a bit better. I have one but did not fit it yet. Did not want to tempt fate.. Does in make much difference to the water ingress ? We have had quite heavy rain recently so probably a very good test

yllw.ldbttr

Never really understood the need for an aftermarket seal for the charging port.

If the manufacturer can't prevent harmful water ingress then the car is going back to them to fix it.

Not seen anyone with any issues around water ingress either - has anyone else? I've had 3 EVs and it's never been an issue.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122203082#Comment_122203082

Never once. All these seals and plugs for the charge ports are useless. Just another throw away product.

Not needed but someone somewhere is making money from them.

RainInSummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122202917#Comment_122202917

A bit. Keeps rain out but the power washer sees some get in alright.