Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla?

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121898982#Comment_121898982

Never mind that the freedom of speech or lack thereof is not in fact freedom of speech. The phrase has become anything from moderation on here to cancelling someone's soapbox in the media when in fact it's simply the freedom from interference by government in your right to free speech. What happens in other organs can be variously described as the rules or your contractual obligations to your employer.

I spent some time as a community notes contributor on Twitter. I volunteered out of curiosity more than anything else, but omg was it a sh1tshow. An ever increasing number of CN contributors were ridiculously biased to the point where the system basically became unworkable. And this was Musk's much heralded replacement for the trust and safety function. Basically outsourcing the function to the user base with oh so predictable results. And the flood of disinformation became unstoppable. It was like whack-a-mole. Any time there was something newsworthy, old and unrelated media was posted many multiples of times claiming to be from said incident. A tsunami of bullsh1t that people lapped up because it confirmed their bias.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121898979#Comment_121898979

Boycott was an individual. Who was boycotted.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121897503#Comment_121897503

That's a great post. I do disagree about the Russians though, yes some speech is curtailed but nothing like what happens here in Ireland. We're nearly the worst of the worst.

I think it was today Kaitlyn Jenner proclaimed trans women aren't women. That will be headline news in Russia and the UK. It probably won't even be noted here. It's a simple obvious fact but every media outlet is afraid to say it. Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be in tomorrows paper and the comments section will be open under the Journal.ie but I doubt it as it's wrong speak in Ireland. I'm sure Elon will blast in and get hated by the Irish media and people who boycott his cars here for being right wing or some other nonsense slur.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121899435#Comment_121899435

I do disagree about the Russians though, yes some speech is curtailed but nothing like what happens here in Ireland. We're nearly the worst of the worst.

That has to be the most uninformed, blinkered statement I have ever seen. And I was a Community Notes contributor on Twitter.

People were arrested in Moscow for holding up blank pieces of paper. Saying "No to war" gets you arrested. Opposition politicians are arrested, imprisoned on trumped up charges and killed. Alexei Navalny, Vladimir Kara-Murza et al. Journalists are routinely murdered. Anna Politkovskaya being one of many. Go educate yourself.

liamog

Mod Note: Back to Musk and Tesla, comparing freedom of speech in Russia and Ireland, has drifted a bit too much for an EV sub forum

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121895410#Comment_121895410

The only people who hate Musk are those who live their lives knowing what to think ( and who to hate ) rather than how to think

Musk is a scourge of progressive group think and that's unforgivable to some

Sad

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121900654#Comment_121900654

Straight out of the "culture war" playbook. Lol.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121901002#Comment_121901002

You can say that about just about anything ( the concluding " Sad " was meant to be ironic)

listermint

Still absolute poison to the brand and the business.

He'll never change. Also still looking for 57 billion bonus.

Poison.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/4/24171165/elon-musk-tesla-x-nvidia-ai-chips-divert

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122220554#Comment_122220554

The funny part is that he could avoid a lot of this hassle by putting several of his companies until an umbrella group, like IAG or Ryanair group

Probably wouldn't work with Tesla since he doesn't own the company outright

But it would remove any suggestion that he's effectively CEO of multiple competing companies

Sure he was recently saying if he doesn't own 25% of Tesla he'll shift AI resources over to xAI. Doesn't exactly sound like a CEO who's got the companies best interests at heart

listermint

I see musk has managed to threaten , strong arm and use his X profile and tweets to shimmy people to vote to dilute their shares for his mega package.

This is some bizarre cult like stuff going on. Like the bitcoin of companies. Deity !

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122253554#Comment_122253554

I don't think the results are being announced until 9.30pm today

So far Musk has claimed the majority of retail shareholders who voted have voted in his favour

This isn't the same as saying he has a majority and also doesn't include the institutional shareholders who wield a lot of power

In any case, the vote doesn't actually change anything by itself and will only be used as part of the appeal against the court ruling which denied Musk his pay package

No doubt there'll be additional cases so this is far from over

As an aside, Musk could have avoided this by correcting the governance issues that got his original pay deal thrown out. However it's clear that Musk believes he should be allowed to run companies whatever way he wants and good corporate governance is just unnecessary red tape

Seems the Delaware courts disagree with him on that front

I would say that all this distraction and additional legal fees are definitely hurting Tesla, although probably not in any meaningful ways

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122254124#Comment_122254124

He had a pop at Apple yesterday or the day before because they are partnering with OpenAi. Has said that his employees or visitors to his companies won't be allowed to bring Apple devices on site.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122254145#Comment_122254145

Kinda funny how his justification is that OpenAI is spyware

Not disagreeing with him, but shouldn't X be banned from his company offices as well in that case 😏