Liberal US media now playing the free-speech card in light of Twitter bans

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006540#Comment_120006540

Because that would be putting words in other people's mouths.

When discussing something that is unclear, it is polite to ask the other person to explain what they mean, not to condescend them by defining their terms for them.

Probing questions are not a sign of dishonesty. They can be a tactic to derail a discussion but this never got to the point of a discussion. It died at the ranting and raving stage

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006502#Comment_120006502

Its more lunacy than conspiracy thinking insulating every home in Britain is going to solve global warming. They didn't stop to consider how global warming with the added insulation is going to turn those houses into ovens during spring and summer.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006566#Comment_120006566

Lol. Properly insulated homes are actually cooler in summer

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006423#Comment_120006423

I said nothing about Liberal one or the other.

You have replied to the wrong post.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006572#Comment_120006572

I know. They are a bunch of clowns and are treated as such by 99% of the nation.

pjohnson

"Critical Thinking" is another fantastic oxymoron that is used.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006535#Comment_120006535

Because people use the term liberal to refer to the current prevailing set of viewpoints which aren’t conservative leaning and right now it’s a progressive left shade of liberal thought,( not Ayn Rand or Murray Rothbard )it’s a catch all term but this isn’t a peer reviewed paper, you know what he means so why pretend?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006555#Comment_120006555

@Mad_maxx thai is exactly what I’m talking about. This poster has labeled me as part of the “liberal hive mind”, based on my posting history. If you check my posting history at all, I’m overtly far left. Definitely not a liberal.

So clearly it’s important to define “liberal” in this case.

As for this post. I’m quite happy to work towards an objective truth. But I guarantee you think plenty of things are objectively true, that simply aren’t. The irony here is that I accept subjective truths, but you can’t and label many as objective. It leaves you stuck in this place where your beliefs are inflexible.

I think this is the problem for a lot of people today, the world is too grey. There aren’t as many black and whites as there was before. For people who think this way it was great 100 years ago: black and brown people were inferior, gays were deviants, gender was biological, got created the world etc. . Luckily the world has changed.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006532#Comment_120006532

No because that’s incitement to physical violence

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006581#Comment_120006581

See my other post. I accept your definition of liberal. But it conflicts with many peoples. People who think I’m a liberal because I’m left wing.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006555#Comment_120006555

You assume there is an objective truth

Or objective reality.

And you talk about these things while bringing up the idea of 'the liberal hive mind'

Is that objective truth?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006584#Comment_120006584

then he doesn’t have the terminology technically correct, so what ? , when people speak of liberals in 2022 , they mean progressives , they don’t mean anarcho capitalists but they don’t mean Lenin either

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006577#Comment_120006577

I was laughing at your ridiculous objection to insulation

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006584#Comment_120006584

You must be joking, discourse is chronically lacking in nuance today

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006586#Comment_120006586

"New Discourses"

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006586#Comment_120006586

New discourses... Is this like the 'Answers in genesis' for the MAGA crowd?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006586#Comment_120006586

Also. Your assumption that this incredibly niche and extreme definition of 'liberal' is what the OP meant, or what any of the other contributors meant when they say 'everyone knows what liberal means' is incredibly misguided

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006632#Comment_120006632

An objective truth is reserved for mathematics. In physics we have known for over a century that you cannot know both the precise location and velocity of a particle. (Heisenbergs uncertainty principle). Everything that is a truth is only measurable in relation to something else. Up is only up in relation to the piece of ground you are standing on

When it comes to anthropology and sociology or anything that involves theories of value, objective truth becomes a contradiction. Value is inherently subjective. I value the food in my larder a lot more highly than the food in your larder.

You might value individual liberty, I might value social cohesion, you might value excitement and novelty, I might value stability and order, and our values change over time and depending on other circumstances...

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006593#Comment_120006593

I use the term “ liberal “ fully aware that it’s too broad, I know that say George Galloway isn’t a WOKE liberal or Joe Higgins or the likes of Mick Lynch the prominent union chief in the news, I actually have respect for old style socialists

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006657#Comment_120006657

Words often lead to actions while actions taken without properly considering the consequences can often lead to disaster.

Brexit is just one example of Turkeys voting for Christmas on the basis of being grossly uninformed and deliberately misinformed

Chips Lovell

I suspect the current ruckus about free speech is that Musk made out he was buying Twitter to protect it and then started banning people. So it's more a story about hypocrisy rather than free speech, that "free speech" only matters to people like him provided it's aligned with his interests.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006677#Comment_120006677

Science is about gaining knowledge and understanding. Not pursuing objective truth

Science is about utility and practicality. The fact that you think in terms of objective truth, and you think you have found some objective truths and 'wokeness' is one of them means you are blinded to other possibilities

Your mind is not as open as you think it is

ancapailldorcha

So the people who wail and moan about alleged cancel culture clap their hands when Twitter bans non-right wing accounts. How predictable.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006708#Comment_120006708

Irish people often make the mistake of thinking every country must view the EU through the same lens as us , the UK never needed the EU to become modern and wealthy in the way we did ,joining the EU was utterly transformative for us , the UK was already very rich ,add to that the UK is a big economy, it has enough domestic demand to manage without being in the EU , in London it also has a premier global financial centre which is not reliant on EU membership

the only reason I wanted the British to vote remain was because it was certain to effect Northern Ireland, it was a perfectly reasonable choice otherwise

I honestly don’t get why Brexit is seen as such a despicable act ?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006709#Comment_120006709

People banging on about freedom often use it as a Trojan horse to secure more freedom for themselves and less for everyone else.

People calling for justice threaten people who have more than their fair share.

People who have more than their fair share employ lots of mental gymnastics to justify them keeping more than their fair share

Of course someone will come along and make an argument that boils down to 'nobody has more than their fair share except people who aren't just like me' and that will be amusing

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006737#Comment_120006737

Brexit is a sh1tshow because of all of the dishonesty throughout the vote leave campaign.

There was never a majority for the hard brexit that they have been landed with.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006747#Comment_120006747

I think that new discourses website has more than filled your quota of 'jibber jabber'

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006737#Comment_120006737

🤔

You think American Jewish people are the far left and you think brexit is a positive.

Those are just some of the very interesting positions you post on boards.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006602#Comment_120006602

So what? So I want to know what he means so I can debate. The poster I quoted would probably call Lenin a liberal

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006606#Comment_120006606

Only from one side. Prime example is the trans issue. “That can’t be a woman, she doesn’t have the parts”. “Well actually we’ve re defined what woman means to be more inclusive”

Rinse and repeat.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006783#Comment_120006783

Brexit might well turn out to be a good decision ( far too early to tell) , know idea what you’re talking about regarding “ Jewish people “ ?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006785#Comment_120006785

Wait, we're three pages in and the OP can't define the word they're flinging around. I think we're in some sort of meta satire territory now.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006747#Comment_120006747

So it’s closed. At least you can admit it.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006787#Comment_120006787

Being good at maths doesn't mean they know anything about sociology, history, economics, philosophy, psychology etc

And reading some of those links, it comes across like the ravings of someone undergoing a mental breakdown

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006586#Comment_120006586

Let me step in and explain liberalism/ wokeness in its modern context. However, its completely disingenuous that a forum moderator will ask, but anyway....

Piece of advice. If you're going to type something this long, don't begin by poisoning the well. It just informs us that what follows is utterly worthless. Unless of course the construction industry is somehow woke, whatever that means.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006749#Comment_120006749

Everything is being blamed on Brexit in the UK right now, from inflation to other broader global issues

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006787#Comment_120006787

you think we should listen to him because he has a PhD in Maths? I couldn’t think of a worse qualification for someone writing about social dynamics or philosophy.

I’ve a Masters in Engineering. Would you like to hear my opinions on Brahms?

bb1234567

And nothing to say on the fact that republian media screamed and howled about absolute free speech for the last 3 years and now gleefully embrace Musk's complete self contradictions on it?

Yes, full circle indeed.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006799#Comment_120006799

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119947965#Comment_119947965

Here is your Jewish far left post.

I think a recent UK poll on rejoining the eu had 60% support but yeah brexit going swimmingly and "Jews are disproportionately involved in far left"

Needless to say I don't believe your posts contain much truth.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006800#Comment_120006800

Happy Christmas one and all.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006794#Comment_120006794

Oh please, any sort of expressed reservation about say current levels of immigration are labelled racist , during lockdown anyone expressing reservations about how strict the rules were was accused of “ wanting to kill granny “

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006806#Comment_120006806

It’s the Jordan Peterson phenomenon. Man has PhD so he must always be right.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006822#Comment_120006822

If that’s the reaction you’re getting maybe the problem isn’t the discussion, it’s who you’re having the discussion with. Find new places to discuss.

I love some nuance, which is why I rarely debate on boards anymore.

People of a conservative lean have called me everything from a Stalinist to a pedophile. For saying that maybe we should listen to doctors about trans kids and pointing out drag Queen readings at libraries are no worse than Pantos. This is definitely a both sides issue. One of the few.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006822#Comment_120006822

Prove it, please.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006822#Comment_120006822

Brexit supporting thinks Jewish people are involved in far left conspirscy and now heading towards anti vax.

But yeah something something liberal something

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006824#Comment_120006824

This is a very long video but it does a really good job of exposing Peterson as being nothing more than another grifter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006815#Comment_120006815

That’s a fact that Jews have always been heavily involved in progressive politics in America, if it makes you feel any better they have always been heavily involved in financial markets, if you think I’ve some dislike for Jewish people?, come right out and say it, cut the sly implications

I also said in that old post that there were very good reasons why Jews crowded around particular industries, they were not given a fair shot in conventional mainstream areas and focused on areas where they could have creative freedom and control , wall st was dominated by WASP,s for a long time, the Jews beat them at their own game and good on em

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006843#Comment_120006843

You didn't say progressive in that post you said far left.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006837#Comment_120006837

The “ pedophile “ slur is disgraceful but I would fight tooth and nail if “ drag storytime “ or “ gender fluid “ nonsense was introduced in the school my kids attend

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006855#Comment_120006855

I’d disagree but I’d be happy debate you if terms remained civil. They never did with others though.