"Nobody cares about Covid anymore"

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017742#Comment_120017742

It's perfectly valid, which is why most countries adopted it as policy, based on the science.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017736#Comment_120017736

Talk about bogus analogies , murder and car accidents aren’t natural causes

6.6M global deaths after almost 3 years is a very small number. More so when you consider the ages and underlying conditions of those that died with COVID. A huge number would have also died without COVID.

It was a massive overreaction to what always was a mild illness and is now an even milder illness.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017756#Comment_120017756

covid was the first time death became unacceptable as a matter of government policy

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017753#Comment_120017753

So show us the science and data used?

The 5KM travel limit, the middle aisle in Lidl, the 9 euro meal, closing earlier, opening windows at schools etc

I want to see the data that was used to find what looks to me like complete arbitrary numbers pulled out of someones arse.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017695#Comment_120017695

If you reread what I originally said covid had an effect due to material chains and making stuff. The ship been stuck in the suez canal also contributed but inflation did ramp up during this year also.

Did Covid a new novel disease that was causing death make things dearer yes is it the only reason the big bad no!!!

To say it was only covid is stupid and naive at best or true dishonesty at worst to further an agenda

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017773#Comment_120017773

Death from natural causes, I realise being obtuse is something you take pride in but even you can’t conflate murder and a flu

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017785#Comment_120017785

Your point is a bit strange. You believe that Covid is the first time the Irish government has done something to prevent people dying of natural causes, e.g. diseases, correct?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017712#Comment_120017712

Ah come on leave the kids out of it, they went through enough during the pandemic.

What is it about some people and masking kids ?

Bless them, they're not the problem and never were.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017816#Comment_120017816

Yes , widespread restrictions in terms of how the population goes to work, school , socialise , that never happened before to prevent death from cancer , flu , swine flu , sars , TB

you’re dopey analogy about traffic accidents and murder was embarrassing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017761#Comment_120017761

what always was a mild illness and is now an even milder illness

You keep saying this like it's true. It was the biggest natural killer since the Spanish flu 100 years ago. It was not mild and had we not taken the precautions we did, the death toll would have been a lot higher.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017816#Comment_120017816

What happened during the Spanish flu epidemic of 1919?

You not happy the government took an interest in untimely deaths of old and people with underlying conditions

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017712#Comment_120017712

A few weeks is a long time in the development of young kids.

Let's not pretend it's just a few weeks, schools were closed also.

Kids missed enough school besides forcing masks on them to make things worse.

A piece of cloth is not going to do anything when you have 20 to 30 kids in a small room squashed together.

That's before taking into account they most likely were reused masks everyday and not worn properly.

The health system is always on the brink, it is not upto kids to manage it, that's for the hse and government to look after.

greenspurs

Remember when this happened ............

Can any of the covid shills explain ?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017820#Comment_120017820

People of all ages spread Covid, that includes children. No one wants to wear a mask. However during the height of the pandemic, when cases were through the roof and hospitals were coming under extreme strain, there was a temporary rule for kids aged 9+ to wear masks in school, to reduce the spread.

It's just a piece of paper. Also as mentioned, kids in Asia have been wearing masks since the 50's. Also as mentioned clear masks and clear visors are available if people are so "concerned" about their development (but not their parents/grandparents lives apparently)

Why the hysteria about masks?

Likewise, when seatbelt laws came out, there was the same reaction. it was "tyranny", the government was stealing people's "freedoms", etc..

It can possibly be that can it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017843#Comment_120017843

6.6m deaths after 3 years, a large number of which were people already on their deathbeds.

Those are low numbers.

Look up how many people die of hunger each year.

And yet this mild illness dominated the media for 2 years.

greenspurs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017843#Comment_120017843

"had we not taken the precautions we did, the death toll would have been a lot higher."

There it is.... You dont know that..... You were TOLD that, and you believed it .....

Probably think thats a real pic of a man dropping dead due to covid too, well thats what we were told happened ... So it must be true ......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017905#Comment_120017905

Everyone will die anyway. So should we abandon all healthcare ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017880#Comment_120017880

They're low because of lockdown. We know this from the Swedish example, and we can extrapolate that had all countries followed the same path as the Swedes we would have been looking at c. 50m+ deaths, more or less of the same magnitude of the Spanish flu.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017861#Comment_120017861

Yes, kids missed school, that did impact their development. This was a very contentious part of the lockdown.

However we were faced with a global pandemic, the threat of our health systems collapsing entirely, an unthinkable scenario.

It's easy with hindsight to nitpick, now that we've developed vaccines, now that Covid thankfully didn't mutate into more severe strains, now that measures curbed those peaks. However at the time those decisions are understandable.

A piece of cloth is not going to do anything when you have 20 to 30 kids in a small room squashed together.

A piece of cloth reduces the spread. It can reduce around 90% of the aerosols and droplets.

That's before taking into account they most likely were reused masks everyday and not worn properly.

Reusing a mask is not much of an issue. Clear advice was given to fit masks to children properly and to use certain types of masks that fit better

The health system is always on the brink, it is not upto kids to manage it, that's for the hse and government to look after.

No, operating near normal capacity is completely different from being under threat of unknown numbers from a pandemic. We can build hospitals and beds and ventilators (remember the scramble for them) relatively quickly if needed, but we can't train the staff. Especially when existing staff who are getting sick and unable to work in large numbers.

Again, this is was not just Ireland, this happened all over the world.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017873#Comment_120017873

Sure. It's a photo of some man in China who apparently collapsed and died in the early part of the year.

What's a "Covid shill"?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017905#Comment_120017905

Sure, some people were on death's door. Covid can be pretty nasty, it pushed them over. What about all the people who weren't? Around 100 people per day under the age of 50 were dying in the US.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017925#Comment_120017925

Lol!

You mean Sweden who have a lot less deaths than half of Europe who had heavy lockdowns?

You sound like Sam McConkey making up doomsday figures with no evidence to back it up.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017846#Comment_120017846

Maybe you have me confused with someone else, but the government naturally took action against the 1918 epidemic. They closed schools, public meetings, funerals, wore masks, socially distanced. This was 100 years ago.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017953#Comment_120017953

No, the deaths in 2020 compared to their neighbours, well documented earlier in this thread. But you knew that.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017843#Comment_120017843

It is estimated 9 million people die each year so 27 million over 3 years compared to 6 for Covid.

People dying from hunger is a much bigger killer than Covid.

Thats before you take into account that the vast majority of people died with Covid not because of it.

If we started counting people dying with the flu or people in a car accident but had the flu we would reach a few million in 3 years.

Former Former Former

That only six million people died shows that the measures worked. Six million is a huge underestimate by the way.

We (Ireland) were lucky enough to get out in front of it relatively early on.

I don't know how anyone who saw the pictures from northern Italy in March 2020 could be saying that this wasn't a big deal. I don't remember any developed nation ever needing field hospitals outside of a war before.

If you were mildly discommoded by having to wear a mask on a bus, or annoyed because you couldn't go to the pub to rant about masks, then that's unfortunate, but a lot of people died or suffered from severe illness. Shrugging it off as a mild illness is a terrible insult to them and their families.

Imagine you had a parent who died an agonising death alone in an isolation ward, and some cnut on boards.ie is saying, "meh, sure he was old, probably only had a few years left anyway, what's the problem?"

I genuinely hope some of the posters on here get to experience something as awful as that in the near future, because it seems to me like a very small but very vocal minority needs some compassion and perspective.

bucketybuck

Imagine you had parents dying alone and not thinking, "this is inhumane".

The zealots who pushed those ridiculous rules would hang their heads in shame if they had any.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017962#Comment_120017962

Sorry thought you were arguing a totally different way I see now you were saying the same as me

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017976#Comment_120017976

Many will now die “ agonising deaths “ due to having been diagnosed too late ( with cancer etc ) due to the health service overwhelmingly concentrating on covid

their were huge trade offs in terms of relegating the importance of other illnesses in order to place C19 front and centre