Right to Housing Referendum

farmingquestion

This is essentially the same as the "right to water".

You have a right to water but you don't have a right to have it treated and piped into your house.

This will be the same. You'll officially have a right to "housing" which will be accommodation. As far as I know, everyone in the country already has shelter provided if they want it. Some homeless choose to sleep on the streets.

So in short, adding this right to housing to the constitution will change nothing.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102862#Comment_120102862

...tis the only solution, but we cant keep taxing the bollcoks out of the general population for this though, so we re gonna have to hit up wealthy entities more so, in order to do so, and that wont be easy, if even possible!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102890#Comment_120102890

...its clearly obvious the whole process is completely fcuked, in nearly every possible way, the term 'polycrisis' is the perfect term for this moment in history....

SwimClub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102890#Comment_120102890

That would ignore the timing of this when a 'temporary' ban on taking vacant possession of your property was brought in and the main obstacle to making it permanent was in the constitution. Fast forward a few months and we have a referendum to change the constitution.

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102890#Comment_120102890

Well it’ll change nothing for those looking for housing, however for those among us who already own houses, our rights could be seriously limited, government could commandeer holiday homes, who knows you could be forced to take people into your house, if you have a large garden it might be easier to CPO it for development.

Thestart

I don’t buy the ‘it won’t change anything’ narrative. They wouldn’t do it if it didn’t change anything.

I don’t trust the government with anything. Think about housing the HSE total disasters for all involved.

If the government buy apartments off plan they will be the most expensive apartments ever built. Just like the children's hospital.

Leave well alone.

I would be worried about the referendum on water too. We pay taxes for water and always have, what needs to change there and why?

Grolschevik

Wow. That's a really bad picture of Pat Miller...!

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102961#Comment_120102961

It's the only solution? It is the state that printed war-time levels of funny-money in the last few years. It is the state that refuses to operate a sensible policy towards immigration. If this referendum were to pass, it would grant these same people more power, and they have shown that that are unworthy of trust time and time again.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120114275#Comment_120114275

ahhh you should have a good look at that again, the majority of the global money supply in fact comes from the global financial system in the form of credit, and its been largely used to (re)inflate the value of assets such as property, central bank created money in the form of qe was ultimately the backbone of all of this, as the reserve accounts of these financial institutions was credited in the process, allowing this significant rise in credit, i.e. private debt, which again, was ultimately used in these financialised activities, including share buy backs etc....

the usual right narrative has again presented itself, i.e. ultimately blaming the public money supply, i.e. such as deficits, and immigration policies etc, when in fact the fault is ultimately with how the money, in both the public and private domains has been (mis)used, i.e. financialisation and financialised activities etc, as explained

all of this has now lead to such outcomes as.....

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0116/1346849-1-of-irish-population-owns-27-of-the-wealth-oxfam/

....i.e. rapidly rising wealth inequalities......

...again, the only way out of this is the introduction of public policies to try move this in the opposite direction, which includes increasing the public money supply, i.e. deficits, but to make sure they are not used to maintain this status quo, i.e. making sure they are not used to (re)inflate the value of pre-existing assets, such as pre-existing property, but in fact used to create new assets, such as new property, and make sure the wealth created is better re-distributed....

...failing that, we re probably fcuked! i.e. our most critical of needs, i.e. property, health care, environmental needs, etc etc, will more than likely keep declining....

....so yea, the only solution....

questioner22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120102449#Comment_120102449

Of course, the elephant in the room of immigration will need to be addressed before any attempt at a solution can realistically be made. I've no problem with people moving to Ireland, but there needs to be a cap to reflect the availability of housing.

Just as they have no intention of fixing the housing issue, they have no intention of fixing the immigration issue.

It's unlikely that "the right to housing" will be for Irish people.

RichardAnd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120115089#Comment_120115089

I won't dispute any claim that the financial system is utterly broken. However, I take umbrage at this line:

"the usual right narrative has again presented itself..."

This left/right paradigm has got to stop. It is not "right wing" or even "left wing" to claim that we have more immigration than what can be accommodated. Immigration is a healthy aspect of any functional society, and I myself and the product of immigrant grand-parents, but tens of thousands of people every year is not sustainable. Indeed, it's already causing upset in a lot of communities, and the branding of people who raise genuine concern as "far-right" is sinister. I'm not saying that that's what you're doing, however.

Regarding the redistribution of wealth, this already happens through taxation. Rather than giving the state more power with an ambiguously worded change to the constitution, I would rather see it use existing laws make the socially deleterious actions of entities like investment funds or NGOs unprofitable.

However...

"...failing that, we re probably fcuked! i.e. our most critical of needs, i.e. property, health care, environmental needs, etc etc, will more than likely keep declining...."

I agree. I honestly think that there is really no going back from this cliff-edge. All we're doing here is arguing over what colour to paint the toilets in the titanic.