Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195647#Comment_120195647

If he were to go to jail he wouldn't be a prisoner of conscience. He'd be a scofflaw jailed for contempt of court and/or refusal to pay his fines.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195694#Comment_120195694

Do a Gazza and turn up with a fishing rod, some chicken, four cans of lager and a fishing jacket. You've also to be drunk.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195734#Comment_120195734

The word scofflaw is entirely accurate and I applaud it's use.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195678#Comment_120195678

This is what I can't get over.

Even if he was to become self-employed in the future (he could probably do what Mammy Martina did and set some kind of private grinds business or online tutoring - he already has a youtube channel for this) - what bank will see him as an acceptable risk for a mortgage?

Can the courts put a lien on any future earnings for unpaid fines?

Has he literally not got a single friend outside his family who'd pull him aside and try and reason with him?

Enoch is totally screwing his own life and future up, and for what? Was this cross really worth dying on? He is still a young man.

As my Mam used to say "He is more to be pitied than laughed at."

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195938#Comment_120195938

I have a feeling just on the point about friends that Enoch (and the rest of the Burkes) would find it hard to find any friends that would so share with them on anything.

Even if they did would they be inclined to say so? I doubt it given his behaviour..

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195938#Comment_120195938

"cross" is the key word in your post. His decisions are entirely centered around adherance to his religious beliefs, and so there can be no compromise. There can be no consideration of the effects it'll have on future career prospects, mortgage etc.

This is a cross worth dying on, his cross to bear etc etc.... because he believes everything he's doing and everything he's being faced with is in service of God, who is the only real authority. Mortgage requirements are a lot more lax in Heaven.

Quin_Dub

All of their public behaviour would suggest that anyone not absolutely 100% aligned with their worldview would be pushed away very quickly so whatever "friend circle" that might exist is highly likely to only contain people who absolutely support everything that he is doing.

As I think about this , it is clear to me that Enoch and his family are willing to pretty much do anything in pursuit of their beliefs but they also have a degree of logical planning about this - Twisted logic for sure , but they have thought about this and taken this course of action very deliberately

Looking at his actions from day 1 and wondering why on earth did he not follow the grievance process and take this through that pathway and onward to the courts etc. ?

The only conclusion I can come to is that he knew clearly that he would ultimately fail and the courts would deliver a very clear outcome both defining the rights of transgender people (which already exist to be fair) but also to clearly delineate how far a "religious exemption" can take you - Which would be not very far under current laws.

So I think he consciously made the decision to go this route because even though it blows up his current and future career it allows for him to continue to claim "Religious persecution" etc. because that element will now never actually be adjudicated on by the courts.

He has accepted the reputational and career damage of this course of action to provide the somewhat nebulous outcome (for him) of never clearly deciding on the extent of religious beliefs in law etc.

An incredibly bizarre choice , but in my view clearly deliberate.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120196038#Comment_120196038

Scientologists or any other cult like groups will demonstrate very similar behaviours-if your reference group are your own homeschooled brothers and sisters then your entire philosophy on life is adopted from a central and powerful core of principles beliefs norms and values.

It’s a very powerful force and influence over what they do and say.

Whilst his behaviour is that of an annoying git right now, I can somewhat allow for it given his upbringing- it shouldn’t really be of any surprise to most of us here.

If anyone has watched the various Louis Theroux series on America in the past, you’ll see huge similarities between what Burke is doing and what other groups did in America- the common theme was very influenced by parents, home schooled, only socialised with other like minded people - these groups included KKK, racists, anti-gay, anti abortionists etc

Its no surprise to me why he’s doing what he’s doing- he’s been programmed to do this all his life

Frank Bullitt

Well...seems like he has support from some very very level headed people. I especially love the sign appealing to Santa, I suppose he is as real as God.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197459#Comment_120197459

Is that picture real? It looks photoshopped as some of their signs are a bit outdated.

If it is real, shower of bullies, standing outside a school. 🤬

They're a disgrace and should be ashamed.

L1011

Numbers wise, that's just his close family surely?

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197608#Comment_120197608

I found it on reddit and looks pretty real to me. It might be from before Christmas.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197613#Comment_120197613

All the signs the same colour and print is a fair giveaway that it’s orchestrated - we’re probably looking at the majority population of some extreme Christian Evangelical group

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197619#Comment_120197619

Ah right. So its probably not from the last couple of days.

In other news - this is great....

Ish66

Today is Friday Did he show up today ?

It wasnt me123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197459#Comment_120197459

That was before xmas when he was still in jail. Pretty worrying that there are more zealots like him. How anyone can think its okay to protest outside a school is okay is beyond me.

Gregor Samsa

Those yellow signs are all from a movement called “Sovereign People” (you can see it clearly on other photos on the December 22nd Gript article that that photo comes from). They also have what they call “hold the line” protests in various towns around the country, protesting against vaccination, cashless society, fuel tax RTE, and basically any other cause they can latch onto. I see them every Saturday afternoon near Tesco in Ennis. They just stand silently with their yellow signs. Some nights they’re outside the hospital too, claiming kids are being experimented on.

I wish I’d got a photo, but one day one of them had a sign complaining about “RTE fear mongering”, while the person right beside them held a sign saying the government were going to take all our houses away 😂

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Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197459#Comment_120197459

"Something is very wrong"

That could be the new

Purple Mountain

I'm curious to know. What's Enoch's stand on children born out of wedlock?

Is that against his beliefs too?

If a student in his school became a parent of a baby, would he refuse to teach them?

Or is it only transgenderism and homosexuality on his no-no list?!

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120196038#Comment_120196038

Maybe they were bouyed by the fact that the religious Ashers Bakery ultimately won the 'gay cake' controversy.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/jan/06/gay-cake-row-man-loses-seven-year-battle-against-belfast-bakery

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199816#Comment_120199816

But then chose to lock themselves out of any similar kind of legal options?

Hangdogroad

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FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199753#Comment_120199753

That would be an ecumenical matter.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197459#Comment_120197459

There is an interview from that protest on YouTube. I won't link it but it is easy to find if you want to see it.

It is stated in the interview that they contacted the Burke family and they declined to join them.

In the YouTube video you can see that AGS were present.

There is also a website for the SP group.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120197459#Comment_120197459

They are the rampant conspiracy theorist group. Can be found at roundabouts all over the country.

Covid doesn't exist but Santa is real.

🤷‍♀️

PeadarCo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199816#Comment_120199816

There's a massive difference between Burke and how Ashers Bakery dealt with their respective issues. Ashers Bakery engaged with the legal system. Enoch Burke pretends the legal system doesn't exist or apply to him.

Enoch Burke should have followed what Ashers Bakery did. He would be a far better situation and he would get a lot more respect. It would also have ensured the focus would have remained on his original issue. Because of how he's handled the situation it's now about how does the courts deal with a person who ignores the legal system in a civil case.

Regardless though of what happens Enoch Burke is not getting his job back. In fact he has made no effort to try and do so. That he thinks standing outside the school gate helps him is very sad(we'll ignore all the hatred he promotes for a second)

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120200590#Comment_120200590

They can be found at the road into Bray from Shankill on Sunday afternoons, if you're looking for someone to extend a single digit to.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120200817#Comment_120200817

Could try offering them a cigarette too? 🤔

The whole thing keeps reminding me of ‘The Guilty Remnants’ in the tv show ‘The Leftovers’, and strangely enough, though these days I don’t know why I’m surprised when it’s obvious that it’s hoped the demonstration goes viral on social media… it does seem to be a case of Art imitating Life imitating Art -

https://medium.com/@Mfried/the-leftovers-guilty-remnant-playfully-menaces-hbo-headquarters-to-prod-for-third-season-8e0f13e695c

happyoutscan

Would he head to the Middle East teaching, or would that be too Muslim for him?