Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Boggles · 22-10-2024 1:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749149#Comment_122749149

on another thread you and I got into the subject of what is the level of suffering we want to inflict, or see inflicted by others, on people with opposing beliefs

You must be thinking of someone else, I never discussed the subject of inflicting anything on anyone.

Burke was fired because he acted like a cretin, he is in prison because he acted like a dangerous creep.

It's that simple, imaginary bogey people getting you fired is just that, your imagination.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749170#Comment_122749170

he might find it hard to get a job in a teaching establishment

I think it's fair to say that that ship has sailed. Given they way he likes to delay things, it's conceivable he'd use up all the 6 years in disruption, and with time already served being taken into account, be straight out the door.

Boggles · 22-10-2024 1:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749044#Comment_122749044

that would however still leave the problem of what to so with EB. If he got a 10 year sentence for a statutory offence of contempt

It criminalises his behaviour and puts it on sound statutory footing.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 1:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748953#Comment_122748953

Priests on school boards have gotten teachers fired for reasons like not tugging their forelock with sufficient humility when greeting the parish priest or the bishop, so I wouldn't go making broad statements about what priests do or don't do.
But it's good to know that you've no difficulty with using titles based on people's own belief system when it suits you.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749182#Comment_122749182

For your first line I asked you the question at least twice on foot of an implication in your post - no need for details here as we can follow up over there if you care to answer the question.

For your second line, I agree with the first part though I quibble with the second - unfortunately acting like a dangerous creep is not an offence, and he's in prison for contempt.

Your third line indicates ignorance, whether wilful or otherwise. I'll post a few things in the other thread just to show you there's nothing imaginary about it.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749207#Comment_122749207

Agreed, that makes everything good in theory, but there's still the practical problem. Nothing to date has suggested that any sanction, statutory or otherwise, or a prison sentence of any duration, would in any way cause EB to modify his behaviour.

aloyisious · 22-10-2024 1:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749197#Comment_122749197

I've just seen an obvious problem for us as a nation & for EB and his family. The original contempt committal order from earlier days could presumably still stand and he might end up standing before the High Court being asked if he had changed his mind on disobeying the court order to stay away from WHS. A direct run by him to WHS would spur WHS to visit the High Court all over again.

Edit: as to disruption, Governors can award terms of confinement to disruptive inmates under jail regulations in law. AFAIK, those are extra to the court ordered term of imprisonment and not necessarily concurrent. Disruption to the normal jail routine could upset the other inmates daily lives as well, earning their displeasure.

Boggles · 22-10-2024 1:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749234#Comment_122749234

For your first line I asked you the question at least twice

You may have, but again I never got into any discussion with you over inflicting anything on anyone.

For your second line, I agree with the first part though I quibble with the second - unfortunately acting like a dangerous creep is not an offence, and he's in prison for contempt.

He was found in contempt because of his actions.

Your third line indicates ignorance, whether wilful or otherwise. I'll post a few things in the other thread just to show you there's nothing imaginary about it.

Huh?

Fill your boots I suppose. 🤷‍♀️

Boggles · 22-10-2024 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749254#Comment_122749254

We criminalise people in the hope they modify their behaviour.

It's not a given.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749209#Comment_122749209

I doubt if you and I would differ much in our opinions on the church. And if you read my longer previous posts, I'd be happy to address people as they like to be addressed (I have another post on another thread explaining why I don't call my doctor "Dr" but that's a different thing). The difficulty is when there's a legal compulsion, or a threat to one's livlihood - then it's no longer a case of being polite, or indeed compassionate, but it becomes a political statement. In the latter case it's not the act of being polite that's problematic, it's the likely adverse consequences.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749288#Comment_122749288

I fully agree, but the post prison behaviour of EB, along with no shortage of actual criminals, would suggest that any hope of behaviour modification is a forlorn one in many cases.

Boggles · 22-10-2024 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749314#Comment_122749314

Who knows maybe when or if he gets released from a prison there will be another culture battle for him and his family to martyr themselves on.

Although the mother in all videos I have seen just can't seem to get over the Gays.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749277#Comment_122749277

You may have, but again I never got into any discussion with you over inflicting anything on anyone.

Actually you did when you asked if you were being labelled, but you showed a marked reluctance to answer the questions that arose thereafter. For an abundance of caution (I really love that phrase for some reason), that's entirely your right, but it doesn't make for a good discussion IMHO.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749336#Comment_122749336

I watched one video - the one where the Gardaí turned up at the Burke home looking for Enoch. Those Gardaí deserve medals for displaying the patience of several Jobs, to use an Old Testament reference which even EB can't argue with.

The downside of watching that video was that randomly youtube threw up the video of the French teacher in the US. My motivations for linking that were questioned, and after reflecting on the to-and-fro I understand why, but I really was just contrasting the behaviour. (I have since done a bit of digging and the Daily Signal gets a media bias score of 4 for bias which indicates "Right" - I had actually tried to link to the Washington Post which gets a score of 2, for Left. I can't recall the source for the video I watched other than remembering the teacher came across as calm and polite which was such a marked contrast to any of the public performances by the Burkes in recent years).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2024 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749091#Comment_122749091

UhfoUnfortunately, "the entirely" can never be accurately used for a group that big.

You're probably right with the rest of your post, but if the choice is being polite or make people suffer, it's an easy choice to make.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749559#Comment_122749559

Ah, I think we're in alignment. Quibbling over a % one way or the other doesn't undermine the arguments either way.

And I fully agree with your point on politeness - that's the way I was brought up and it's important. When politeness becomes excessive deference, as outlined by Andrew above in the example of tugging the forelock to priests - that's a problem.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that we have to respect people, but we don't have to respect ideas. Think of all the wonderful social changes over the past 50 years in Ireland - none of them could have happened without a healthy disrespect for long-held ideas. Unfortunately, the associated debates involved many people being extremely disrespectful to people on every side. The end result has been an improvement I feel.

And, as I was asked directly by another poster to whom I will reply when I can formulate a response that's not ambiguous, in this particular case children are involved. I didn't say it at the time but on reflection I should have, and I would modify my stated hypothetical behaviour to comply with this (i.e. by using preferred pronouns): when dealing with people in some form of distress I would do whatever I could to reduce that. I wouldn't confine that to children either, lots of research shows that brains develop until at least 25 so it's reasonable to think that the ability to handle difficult emotions would follow a similar age profile.

I don't see it as a simple choice between being polite and making someone suffer. There's more to it than that. Suffering is a big thing, and unfortunately there is a lot of preventable suffering taking place, much of it due to irreversible medical/surgical treatment. Fixing that situation will require offending some people (I'm not sure if you regard that as causing suffering) and it's a difficult balance to strike. I'm arguing against the pretence that going all-in on affirmative care is the best solution in every case - that's a one size fits all approach that wouldn't fly in any other area of medicine.

And again, lest the question be asked of me, I fully believe trans people exist (I've had a polite interaction with one in the last couple of years, and I am closely connected to another who passed away recently). I don't have huge energy for activism other than posting on boards but I'd be happy to advocate that trans people should be accorded the same rights as everyone else - that is in fact the actual legal situation as I understand it?

And I accept I'm in contravention of the letter of the mod warning, but I hope I'm somewhere in accordance with the spirit of it. Besides, you've been polite and thoughtful in your interaction and I wanted to respond right here where everyone could see it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2024 4:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749703#Comment_122749703

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that we have to respect people, but we don't have to respect ideas.

This is it in a nutshell.

And yes, there are fundamentalist idiots on the left side of the debate, but the telling thing is that most of them are not trans and all of those are only in it for the virtue signalling and the ego.

It's important to avoid judging the entire community (any entire community) by the words and actions of a few extremist godnshites :)

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 4:16pm

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"Suffering is a big thing, and unfortunately there is a lot of preventable suffering taking place, much of it due to irreversible medical/surgical treatment. "

Don't suppose you've any actual evidence to support this claim, that much of the preventable suffering is sue to irreversible medical/surgical treatment as opposed being due to twats like Burke who refuse to show a little bit of basic human respect to people who happen to be different?

Hip replacement surgery has a higher regret rate than gender reassignment surgery, but it seems that some people are just obsessed with medical services for trans people.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 4:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749946#Comment_122749946

I wish I could thank this more than once😀!

Fundamentalists abound on all sides of every debate, though most of them don't seem to have an ounce of fun in them! I'm really sorry if I came across as judging anybody, let alone everybody. That's down to my inadequacy in expressing complicated issues. Any negative comments about the people we are both referring to (fundamentalists) are founded on their actual behaviour as independently documented, rather than any opinion I might hold regarding their beliefs. And I suspect many of them are troubled individuals deserving of sympathy and help, though of course that doesn't mean accepting their abhorrent behaviour.

And thanks again for the interaction which I found helped me to express my position a lot better than earlier posts. That's why I get into discussions in the first place. It's great to have principles, and it's not actually that difficult in most cases to state an issue of principle, but where I struggle is where the principle comes crashing into contact with the messiness of real life.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 4:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749292#Comment_122749292

We all have legal compulsions and threats to our livelihood relating to our behaviour in the workplace.

Many of us have people in our workplace, whether customers or colleagues, that we'd really love to tell them to GFY ten times a day, nothing to do with their gender status, but there are particular compulsions about standards of behaviour in the workplace that prevent this.

This isn't a trans issue. It's a workplace behaviour issue.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 4:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750006#Comment_122750006

Again, I'm broadly in agreement with you. And I've no objection in principle to using pronouns. I've always tried to address colleagues as they like to be addressed, however on many occasions I've used the wrong name, despite the fact that I've known the colleague for years, and they've usually been wearing a prominent badge with their name on it. Thankfully only an apology was needed for any offence caused to the people involved - nobody got offended on their behalf, and there were no potential consequences for my livelihood.

dulpit · 22-10-2024 4:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750040#Comment_122750040

Mistakes happen, people won't mind. But if you purposely go out of your way to mis-pronoun somebody, or deliberately deadname them, then that's a different situation.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 4:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750040#Comment_122750040

There are no consequences for anyone's livelihood from making a mistake about pronouns or misgendering. That's just scaremongering.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 4:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122749991#Comment_122749991

Well, it's difficult to put numbers on it, due to the fact that, as outlined in the Cass Review, follow-up on children referred to GIDS services was so abysmally poor. But I would contrast the suffering of a kid who has had the indignity of having incorrect pronouns directed at them, with that of the kid suffering the regret of a double mastectomy as described by Jamie Reed. That kid tried to speak to the surgeon who had carried out the procedure, but in a cowardly manner he directed the clinic to pass the person on to Jamie and her colleagues. No doubt they gave whatever support they could.

It's not hard to find scientific evidence on the permanence of changes due to wrong-sex hormones. In another example of the inherent sexism of this dogma, while the effects of estrogen on men seem to be somewhat reversible, the effects of testosterone for women are mainly irreversible after a year or so, particularly facial hair and the deeper voice. I don't have numbers for this sort of treatment, for the reasons already mentioned.

No doubt you have a source for your claim? Here's a link to a relevant Reddit, feel free to dismiss these descriptions of suffering as anecdotal. The first post I saw on it (also linked below) mentions Johanna Olsen-Kennedy - now there is a monster who could put EB in the ha'penny place any day.

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/1g9f5ug/elon_musk_reposted_an_interview_i_did_about/#lightbox

aero2k · 22-10-2024 4:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750110#Comment_122750110

But there are clear consequences of refusing to use the pronouns when compelled to do so, whether by workplace rules or the law of the land. The US teacher was (correctly per the workplace situation) fired for exactly this, and while it's speculation on my part I suspect EB would have been fired for exactly that eventually. Further speculation, but his antics might have been a pre-emptive strike on his part so he could try (unsuccessfully IMHO) to portray himself as a martyr being persecuted for his religious beliefs.

I have already said I'm happy to be polite but I don't think it's a conflict to say that everybody should have the right to be rude.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750110#Comment_122750110

In the US case, it seems the student and the teacher had being getting on with it for a while, though it must have been an unsatisfactory situation for both of them. The initial complaint that led to the suspension appears to have arisen out of a genuine error, the circumstances of which demonstrated the teacher's concern for the student's welfare. Admittedly, the bit I've just typed is based on a reading of the report in the Daily Signal - I've already pointed out the potential bias there. I'll have a look at the case in more detail in due course.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 5:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750115#Comment_122750115

Funny how you didn't mention that it was 'difficult to put numbers on it' when making your initial claim.

And not funny at all how you position failure to provide medical supports to trans children as 'the indignity of having correct pronouns used', completely ignoring decades of evidence showing the major harms that arise for unsupported trans people and children, up to and including assault, rape, suicide and more.

But for you, it's all about pronouns.

Is it just regret rates for trans surgery that you've done this intense research on, leading you to have a tiny number of edge cases at your fingertips? Have you done any research on regret rates of cardiac surgery? Or regret rates for hip or knee replacement surgery? Or regret rates for cosmetic surgeries to lips or bums or boobs?

Are you really, really concerned about people who regret their surgeries, or are you digging deep to find cases to satisfy your own personal discomfort with trans surgery?

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 5:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750133#Comment_122750133

What US case are you referring to please?

And do you think it's a big strange the extent to which you've researched this one particular issue? Have you studied how many teachers are fired for sexual abuse of students in the USA, or is just this pronouns issue that you study?

Does everyone have the right to be rude in their workplace?

Thargor · 22-10-2024 6:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122748933#Comment_122748933

Wow never actually saw him speak before, he comes across borderline gifted/one of the best teachers Ive ever seen there, what a waste of a life.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750377#Comment_122750377

Wel, well well, I wonder how rude you consider it to be to misrepresent another poster?

For the record I believe everyone should have access to the best possible medical care, not just trans kids, as that would be discriminatory. I'm happy for my taxes to pay for it. You don't seem to see why comparisons of trans surgery, or wrong sex hormones with cardiac, hip or knee, bum or boob cosmetic surgery are not valid, so I'll go out on a limb(!) and say that hip & knee surgeries tend to be done in adults or older adults, for almost exclusively physical reasons (of course lack of mobility or pain would have psychological effects), who are in a position to assess the possible downsides. It's a heck of a lot easier to imagine what effect a limitation of your mobility would have when you've had your life to date to appreciate what mobility actually means for you, and not as an abstract concept. Bum or boob surgery for purely cosmetic reasons are a bit troubling for me but I accept that for adults, in the case of informed consent, it may be beneficial for psychological reasons. Surgery on trans kids by contrast will almost inevitably deny the possibility of a fulfilling sex life to someone who can't possibly understand what a fulfilling sex life involves, the ability to orgasm being one aspect. They don't know what they are consenting to - even WPATH recognise this. And that's without the other potentially debilitating effects of drugs.

Just on the suicide thing, which has been widely debunked (see the Appleby report), here's a paste from Stella O'Malley: (emphasis mine)

Any suicide is a devastating tragedy for the family and so when talking about suicide there must be, above all, rigour. It is too serious a subject to be discussed lightly. That is why we must look at the numbers. The data show, for example, that at GIDS, which was the largest pediatric gender medicine clinic in the world, between 2010 and 2020, out of a sample of 15,000 patients, some on the waiting list, others in treatment, four people died by suicide in that decade. This is actually an average below that associated with mental illness in adolescents, since the risk of suicide is highly associated with anxiety, severe depression, consumption of toxic substances, etc. And here’s another incredibly important point: post-sex reassignment surgery, trans people have a suicide risk that’s about 19 times higher than the general population. Trans activists need to stop using the rhetoric of suicide, it’s simply not the appropriate way to approach the issue.

Regarding my research, I actually haven't done anything like what I've done on psychiatric drugs. It's easy to find this stuff, absent the lack of reliable numbers for the reasons I've outlined. I have put a lot more effort into trying to find coherent, evidence based arguments from the other side of the divide which are free from conflicts of interest, but so far I have failed to find any.

I find your characterisation of stories of permanently mutilated kids as a "tiny number of edge cases" to be morally repugnant - isn't one enough? Besides many are easy to find. What are your thoughts on FGM?

Just on the hip replacement thing, I don't know if you picked that as an example because I have stated elsewhere that one of my medical device projects was approving a new manufacturing process for hip replacement components. I carried out my duties on this and other devices in the full knowledge that at least some patients would be harmed, and possibly killed, by the devices I was helping bring to market. Likewise other patients would be helped and lives would be saved. My job was just to protect the patient as far as was practicable by ensuring that the devices met the design specification. It was for others to assess the validity of the design, and others again to advise patients on the best course of action and the risk/reward profile. And I am aware that informed consent is a concept honoured more in the breach than the observance. My own doctor (who I call by her first name as she does me) recently tried to prescribe a drug which is not usually used for any of the symptoms I was complaining of, and which was absolutely contraindicated for one of them. In the past I have been prescribed drugs with no explanation or a significant downplaying of the risks - I consider myself lucky not to be one of the many victims of that sort of practice.

Boggles · 22-10-2024 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750133#Comment_122750133

and while it's speculation on my part I suspect EB would have been fired for exactly that eventually.

Wild speculation with no basis in reality.

As the Ex-Principal informed the court.

A similar request she made to teachers in November 2021 to address another transitioning student by their preferred name and using they had gone unchallenged, the court heard

There was no issue made of that because the Burkes had drenched themselves in Covid lunacy at the time and were busy with such things like shouting nonsense at an inquest for a teenage girl who tragically died.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/burke-family-members-removed-from-court-at-end-of-sally-maaz-inquest-1.4850064

It's the same pattern with all these sorts. The pandemic seem to hypercharge the mental illness.

Nothing but horrible bullies.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750381#Comment_122750381

What US case are you referring to please?

The one about the French teacher in West Point, Virginia, as posted earlier.

And do you think it's a big strange the extent to which you've researched this one particular issue?

No, I am interested in the concept of fairness in sport, and I came into it that way as outlined on the relevant thread. This is a very small % of what occupies my mental process. I'm really interested in how belief systems become founded on misinformation, or genuinely held beliefs which don't stand up to scientific scrutiny, and the wider consequences for society. I'm also interested in how differing beliefs can be accommodated in society, and in what can be done when a debate has become toxic - what can be done to get people to debate in a civil and authentic manner.

Have you studied how many teachers are fired for sexual abuse of students in the USA, or is just this pronouns issue that you study?

No and no, I haven't and don't study either. Any abuse of kids is horrific. I recently engaged in a long discussion on the subject of physical and sexual abuse in local schools in a WhatsApp group with fellow past pupils, and though I suffered only slightly from the former I realised in retrospect as a result of that discussion that I had a lucky escape on the latter. (I went to the same secondary school as Fintan O'Toole, and I was well familiar with the character in his book called Plum. I never encountered Hoppy but had friends who did, and I sadly met many others like him). I was really troubled by some of the stories, and seeing how things have stayed with people for 45 or 50 years. I have posted on the Spiritan thread, but I didn't spend much time there as people accepted my posting in the spirit in which it was intended and didn't question my motivation.

Does everyone have the right to be rude in their workplace?

Yes, IMHO, though availing of that right to any great extent might come under the heading of "being a dick". I have been deliberately rude to colleagues, including managers, but in every case that only came after the polite approach was ineffective, usually after several attempts. I never apologised for any of them and was fully prepared to accept any consequences that came my way (none really). I have apologised on occasion for being inadvertently rude. My colleagues tend to think I'm very polite, often too much so for my own good (as I previously mentioned I sometimes miss social cues, so I give others the benefit of the doubt even if I think they're taking the piss, due to the possibility that I'm the one in the wrong, at least until there is some independent verification available. That's an example of the precautionary principle which I am a big believer in).

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750714#Comment_122750714

If you're gonna go quoting Cass and O'Malley, then don't contradict yourself by saying that everyone should have access to the best medical care, as their whole modus operandi is about restricting access to medical care for trans people.

And you don't get to ignore the suicide risk arising from their schtik by saying that we shouldn't look it that way. Talk about self serving nonsense.

Children get all kinds of orthopaedic and cardiac surgeries. Have you done your deep diving into the regret rates for those surgeries, or is there some other reason for your deep focus on trans people?

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750787#Comment_122750787

Well, I did say "eventually", and I also said he might have made the strategic decision that going nuclear at the work event served his purpose (achieving martyrdom) better.

The conduct at the inquest was unforgivable, not least as the people involved had absolutely nothing to do with them.

On your point about the pandemic, does that also apply to the people threatening or actually carrying out bodily harm on people with differing opinions? There are lots and lots of horrible bullies.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 7:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750818#Comment_122750818

So the French teach in West Point has nothing to do with someone making an honest mistake, despite your best attempts to create FUD around this.

On fairness in sport, did you ever do research on or post about access to sport for poor children, or disabled children, or children in areas without good GAA clubs? Or is the trans issue the ONLY fairness issue that you're interested in?

On abuse in schools, isn't it funny how you don't have a few edge cases to hand to inspire you when it comes to sexual abuse or physical assault? Nah, only the trans cases where you do that kind of research.

I've never been rude in the workplace, and I've never let anyone else around me be rude either. You can be direct and forceful without being rude. Rude isn't the next step after being polite. Rude is the step before getting kicked out. No one has the right to be rude in the workplace.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750837#Comment_122750837

Children get all kinds of orthopaedic and cardiac surgeries. Have you done your deep diving into the regret rates for those surgeries, or is there some other reason for your deep focus on trans people?

You might care to enlighten me, bearing in mind that these are often done in situations where there is an imminent threat to life, the parents are in a good position to consent, and there is a reasonable evidence base for the proposed treatment. Mutilation of healthy tissue to deal with psychological issues is another ballgame. There might be an evidence base for this, but Cass couldn't find it after four years, and WPATH rely on circular references to cite each other but nothing independent, apart from the financial conflicts of interest.

And you are misrepresenting Cass and O'Malley, so I'm in good company.

Evening all, I have another life to get to.

AndrewJRenko · 22-10-2024 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750891#Comment_122750891

That's the point though. You haven't done anything to enlighten yourself.

Don't kids with cardiac issues and orthopaedic issues deserve to be saved by your deep research?

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750889#Comment_122750889

I have reported this post. I was clear about the possibility of my source being biased.

Funny how your politeness doesn't extend to interacting on the internet - it's rude to constantly misrepresent others, unless it's due to some intellectual deficiency and you don't show any sign of that.

aero2k · 22-10-2024 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750917#Comment_122750917

Don't kids with cardiac issues and orthopaedic issues deserve to be saved by your deep research?

I've no doubt that project is safe in your capable hands, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite, wouldn't you?

(btw your idea of deep and mine seem to be worlds apart)

Boggles · 22-10-2024 8:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122750847#Comment_122750847

On your point about the pandemic, does that also apply to the people threatening or actually carrying out bodily harm on people with differing opinions? There are lots and lots of horrible bullies.

Epic whataboutery.

Thread is about Enoch Burke and by extension his family.

Necro · 23-10-2024 9:31am

Mod: Once again the thread is being derailed - can we get back on topic or warnings and bans will start being handed out

@aero2k a reminder of the warning in the OP from an admin of this site:

Mod warning:

It has already been stated numerous times in this thread but some posters seemingly cannot resist trying to make this thread about transgenderism. It is about Burke, his behaviour and the consequences of that behaviour.

aloyisious · 23-10-2024 12:21pm

According to an article in the Journal.ie, it seems that the High Court's imposition of imprisonment on EB for deliberately disobeying it's order to stay away and desist from protesting at WHS is being misinterpreted by chainmail claims on other media sites, X.com, Facebook and Instagram, which totally ignore the actual truth of why EB is in prison, preferring to instead promote the Burke family version of why he is in prison. The Journal article debunked what was posted on those sites on why EB has been sent to prison for the third time.

This site, and it's moderators, HAVE NOT JOINED those other sites in allowing the misrepresenting of the true facts and the fix EB has got himself in.