Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066313#Comment_121066313

He's not allowed

Ashbourne hoop

Did he show up today? The whole thing is a farce. Why haven't the Gardaí removed a man who has no right to be there from the school. Don't understand that at all???

At some stage he has to realise that he has thrown away a good career for a ridiculous argument that has nothing to do with him.

Karppi

Crazy stuff. Would you allow someone to stand in your hallway if you didn't want them in the house, whether there was a court order or not? I suspect you'd get them the f*ck out of it.

Hangdogroad

Action has to be taken, otherwise this sends out a message that any oddball can enter and loiter on school premises.

Ashbourne hoop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066758#Comment_121066758

You can guarantee that the library picket crowd are thinking the exact same thing.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121065336#Comment_121065336

That's the sad part - He was by all accounts a decent teacher that was generally liked by the pupils, until he decided to ride this particular train.

Just as his sister was viewed as a very good employee before she too jumped on the crazy train.

If you include the other brother Simeon , that's 3 highly intelligent people with advanced degrees that have made themselves functionally unemployable anywhere in this country because they are simply incapable of anything approaching compromise or even just normal professional behaviour.

What a waste.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066863#Comment_121066863

Simeon is the youngest? Real armchair psychologist stuff now but as the last one was leaving the nest, Mammy and Daddy manipulated them to escalate their protests in order to keep them in the family circle/under their control.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066406#Comment_121066406

What I mean is why didnt he stay inside last year? he will end up in a classroom next, I can imagine it, his replacement taking to the class while Enoch talks over him, 2 teaching at the same time. 😂

To be honest I understand the schools reluctance to do anything at the moment. The last time they did it delayed everything while he was stuck in a cell.

The smarter long term option is to hold the course, go through all the steps required until he no longer has opportunities for delay of any action.

At that point then, he can be turfed into a cell on a daily basis and it won't have any impact on anything else.

Right now he's looking to get thrown in jail as he can play it off as being persecuted and it drags everything out and garners more publicity.

That becomes difficult to do the more stages this goes through. As an example, one of the last steps will be a "fit to teach" hearing by the teaching council. He'll get ruled unfit at that

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066954#Comment_121066954

I think Josiah may be younger than Simeon. Also, there is another daughter who may be younger, Keren.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067072#Comment_121067072

Thankfully I hadn’t put any money on my idea ! 😀

pixelburp

Is there one particular place in the school's corridor Burke hangs out in? Maybe the school can just get a little construction tent, some cones and simply block the malcontent off from everyone's sight. Danger, do not cross, risk of zealotry. Every day he comes back then just get the janitorial staff to do the same and block him off. Lovely and passive.

And presumably the man has to píss (being a wing-nut he does so reluctantly, given its probably a sin and perversion), right? So someone blocks access to him, stops him entering the toilets. Sorry staff only. Unless there are still colleagues sympathetic enough, which is entirely possible. Basically make Burke's life there as undignified as possible til he fúcks off and stops being a disruption to the kids he should be thinking about, not his martyrdom.

I get why the school might be reluctant to take more aggressive action. It took 4 Gardai to literally lift and carry family members out of a court of law - who on the school's management team would have the time or nerve to do that?

Hoboo

Fair play to him, fighting for what he believes in even if no-one else does. One has to admire that.

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067578#Comment_121067578

I have no problem with him fighting for what he believes in. What I have a problem with is the way he and his family have behaved. Would you be so sanguine about it if you ran a business and sacked an employee, only for them to turn up every single day afterwards? They could claim they don't believe you've actually sacked them. Or what if a teacher in your kids' school was sacked for hitting a child or abusing them, only for them to keep showing up because they think it's OK to hit kids or abuse them?

If Burke had even an ounce of common sense in his body, he could have taken a more sensible route with his protest. Instead, we see him ruining his own life and making a mockery of our justice system. There is nothing to applaud in either of these.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067578#Comment_121067578

The courage of ones convictions does not justify your disruption of a school you were legally instructed to stay away from. Freedom of religion does not allow one to disrupt or diminish other people's own right to normalcy. Meanwhile the Burkes have behaved like children within the courts system, requiring physical manhandling.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067609#Comment_121067609

100% correct.

Everything about how Enoch Burke has chosen to deal with the issues presented has been childish and petulant.

He could have calmly worked his way through the formal complaints/appeals process that was open to him and gone through the courts etc. potentially getting an actual defined legal framework around religious freedoms and so on.

Instead he decided to have public tantrums and to shout at Judges and Committee members and stage pointless and disruptive sit-ins and protests.

Everything that has happened to him thus far is as a direct result of how he chose to behave and has absolutely ZERO to do with what he "believes in".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067578#Comment_121067578

He's entitled to believe in the tooth fairy if he wants, nobody cares

His behaviour in relation to his beliefs are what got him sacked / jailed / fined though

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067578#Comment_121067578

I admire that these posts pop up every once in a while to keep the thread vitriolic.

Tork

Ah shur we're all treading water until the next Burke court sideshow appearance

Deebles McBeebles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067882#Comment_121067882

That's it. Without these presumably trolling posts there would be very little going on here. Needs a sub-plot to make it interesting.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067571#Comment_121067571

As others have said I think the school are doing everything they can to avoid giving him an opportunity to martyr himself until the various court decisions are in place.

If they were to try to block his access he will absolutely do something to get himself arrested which delays all the "in flight" proceedings.

Once he has been formally fired and is no longer on the payroll I fully expect the school to apply for and immediately get a restraining order keeping him away from the school premises.

But until that happens , they can't afford for him to get banged up again for some indeterminate length of time which delays these final decisions being made.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067669#Comment_121067669

You do wonder, with all of the education this family have got including a law degree by one of them, how they haven’t taken a different path and used the justice system and procedures - id actually have some respect for them if they did that but as you say these tantrums are just beyond childish

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068262#Comment_121068262

They had two go their way in the last few years, one against NUI for delaying assessing one of their PHD thesis and another for not calculating grades correctly for the Leaving Cert for home schooled children.

After that, I’d say they thought they were infallible and the Courts and WRC and everyone else would do as they said.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068262#Comment_121068262

To be honest I think it's because they know they wouldn't get anywhere with it.

So rather than simply lose what would have been a fairly low-key court case they consciously decided to go nuclear with it to draw attention.

Contrast their behaviours here with their legal challenges to the assessed Leaving Cert grades during lock-down for their home schooled child.

A case they took to court and won and where they behaved themselves and hired independent lawyers etc.

So , they can behave like normal people when they want to.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068326#Comment_121068326

I think the difference there is that those 2 cases were not related to their religious beliefs. all reason goes out the window when their religion is involved.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068334#Comment_121068334

Religion wasn't a part of the Ammi sh!t show related to her claims of unfair dismissal.

It was a case where there were highly unlikely to get anything approaching a satisfactory outcome for them , so they blew it up.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068333#Comment_121068333

Excellent point had forgotten about that

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068341#Comment_121068341

70 grand ‘go away’ money just didn’t cut it when there was chance for wide publicity.

All they’ll have left after this is suing the State for not letting them protest where they want and suing companies for declining to hire them.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068341#Comment_121068341

good point. as you said when they think they have a good case they pursue it properly. When they dont they take the batshit approach.

GarfieldandPookyBear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067096#Comment_121067096

I don’t think you’re too far off from what I think? I think as they fly the nest and try to gain independence, mammy has sabotaged their careers to get them back and make sure they’ll never work again!