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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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    #10292
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121299752#Comment_121299752

    Apparently they see their reward as biblical though cash helps to keep their wagon rolling along nicely.



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    #10293
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://youtu.be/QZ8hefESt7c?t=47

    Worth watching the full 10+ minute clip, never mind this 1 minute one, from the start but I'm cutting to the chase here 😁

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #10294
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    I have no idea why they were back in court but just spotted this


    https://twitter.com/courtsnewsIRL/status/1723002850718949565?s=20




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    #10295
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    That's Simeon.

    He must have continued with the appeal against his conviction.



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    #10296
    hoodie6029
    Registered Users Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    https://laois-nationalist.ie/2023/11/10/two-burke-family-members-ejected-from-court-as-judge-says-enoch-burke-own-worst-enemy/

    This crowd, the last thing that they are is Christian.

    The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.



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    #10297
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Simeon

    and on and on and on...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #10298
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,411 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352050#Comment_121352050

    And now I have an 80s (or was it 90s) TV commercial playing in my head.



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    #10299
    Tow
    Registered Users Posts: 7,212 ✭✭✭Tow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352330#Comment_121352330
    https://youtu.be/So5UswFSPtc?si=lLM9RW2IwkrLQFrw

    And on and on and on

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



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    #10300
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Two members of the Burke family were again removed from Court of Appeal proceedings by gardaí after interrupting the presiding judge.

    Enoch Burke himself was appearing via video-link from Prison. Mr Burke was opposing a civil application by the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc) who are applying for access to 'ambient' audio recordings as part of its investigation into how gardaí acted during an incident that led to student lawyer Simeon Burke being convicted of a public order offence. He told the judge that the court had the power to decide on the issue of the recording and opposed the GSOC request.

    Enoch began talking over the judge and counsel in court so the judge told him that he was his “own worst enemy” for similar interjections and informed him that if he did not stop, his microphone would be muted.

    That was the cue for the Burkes present, Sean [his father] and Isaac Burke to begin shouting in court about the judge's action, asking the court registrar why Enoch was being silenced. They were removed from court after they started shouting at the judge.

    I'm a little surprised that Enoch would choose to try and block the GSOC move as it could end up to be an enabler for Simeon proving his claims against the Gardai. I guess it's a Burke bias against trust in anyone outside the family. It's possible its a thought-through Burke family tactical approach to court hearings.



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    #10301
    757TFFIU
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭757TFFIU


    So... let me get this straight. Three of the Burkes (Enoch, Simeon & Ammi) made a complaint to GSOC against Garda members for alleged mistreatment during the time they were forcibly removed from the court. GSOC need access to these recordings of what happened in the court room in order to investigate the complaint they lodged, but Enoch is trying to prevent GSOC from obtaining those recordings in order to investigate their complaint.

    Surely they know that whatever little chance they may have had of the complaint being upheld, it's gone by obstructing the investigation. If they don't want GSOC to look at the evidence to investigate their complaint, just don't lodge it in the first place, or withdraw it. Don't waste the court's time with this kind of nonsense.

    I feel sorry for the case workers in GSOC dealing with this - When the case inevitably doesn't go their way, they won't be happy and will just become pests, or will then seek a judicial review claiming that the case wasn't investigated properly and waste the court's and more people's time.

    Having said that, there does seem to be benefit to having Enoch appear in court from prison by video link - they can shut off his mike when he starts ranting.



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    #10302
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,411 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352599#Comment_121352599

    and yet more 1000's of taxpayer euros flushed down the drain in legal fees.



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    #10303
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352599#Comment_121352599

    That would appear to be the facts of the days court proceedings.

    Thinking the day's events through, it seems the Burke family believe that everyone must believe everything they say to be absolutely true, the word of God, as it were. The idea that GSOC would look at the court event recordings evidence and come to a different conclusion as to what happened to Simeon may be an appalling vista for them. In the event of getting their way with the judge and having the GSOC request refused, they'd probably go after the judge should he decide also to do as they requested and review the court recordings of the Simeon incident, claiming he is biased against them.



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    #10304
    Lewis_Benson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    What a weird family.



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    #10305
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352571#Comment_121352571

    So GSOC are listening to ambient audio recordings? Like Brian Eno type of stuff?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #10306
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355997#Comment_121355997

    The Burkes went down that road first, looking for recordings and this isn't the first case they've done it in. They have a real thing about court recordings and transcripts.

    Only when it suits them though, naturally.



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    #10307
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Paddy power should have a bet running on which member(s) of the family will enrage a judge so much as to make him tell them to "Get the fuck out of my court"



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    #10308
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Imagine living in a country where the Burke family could legally own assault rifles.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #10309
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355997#Comment_121355997

    It might simply be something like a stenographers recording system [an electronic aide-memoire] for the court clerk who has to keep a verbatim record of what's spoken of/stated in evidence during a courts daily sessions. Now I'm thinking along the lines of something that would be very useful for a clerk or secretary tasked with keeping a whole and honest record of daily business.

    That's as far as I can go/speculate on when it comes to an obvious court recording system which even the Burke family is prepared to rely on when it comes to defending of their own.



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    #10310
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356548#Comment_121356548

    Would be like Waco 2.0



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    #10311
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356971#Comment_121356971

    In this case they are trying to deny gsoc use of it even though they complained to gsoc in the first place

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #10312
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,648 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There is digital audio recording in circuit court and upwards, probably not in district court though.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #10313
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,627 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357268#Comment_121357268

    I'm in two minds in this: don't know if its part of their game-plan to **** over the justice/court system or whether they saw, with hindsight, when they heard of the recordings [through notification from GSOC] that they knew the truth of what happened between them and the Gardai would out.



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    #10314
    Hoop66
    Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Anyone else had a Twitter/X ad from these clowns looking for money? Why the fuck the algo thought I would be likely to give them cash, is beyond me.



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    #10315
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121361383#Comment_121361383
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121361383#Comment_121361383

    Are they actually collecting donations? That raises some serious Revenue / Charity Regulator issues. I'd love to see a copy of their advert. What mechanism are they using - GoFundMe or similar?



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    #10316
    scottser
    Registered Users Posts: 557 ✭✭✭scottser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356548#Comment_121356548

    ironically, if they lived in the states they'd be millionaires. here, they're collectively liable for at least a million in fines and costs. didn't one of them make it as a barrister recently? he'll be keeping them all in beans on toast for the next while.



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    #10317
    Hoop66
    Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121361771#Comment_121361771

    I think it was from Eamonn Burke? Tbh I hit the block button so fast I nearly pulled a muscle.



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    #10318
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366258#Comment_121366258

    Not if no one will hire him.

    Ammi bemoaned the fact that she hasn't been able to find new employment since sacked from Arthur Cox.

    Why would anyone risk employing her, or any of this crazy family, for that matter?



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    #10319
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366360#Comment_121366360

    At least Ammi is fully qualified , she could at least start her own legal firm , but Simeon has to find someone that will take him on for the next couple of years so he can finish his qualifications.

    As you said - why would any firm go anywhere near any of them , the risks are just far too great.

    I fully expect Simeon to launch some kind of litigation against the Law Library or the like claiming that he can't get a job because he's being discriminated against.



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    #10320
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I fully expect Simeon to launch some kind of litigation against the Law Library or the like claiming that he can't get a job because he's being discriminated against.

    Oh, I fully agree.



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    #10321
    Ezeoul
    Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356207#Comment_121356207

    My tenner is on Justice Owens.



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