Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Ezeoul

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Grayson

I wonder if mandated therapy sessions in prison would work. Enoch has been brainwashed. It might make sense to have one of those deprogramming guys have a chat with him.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296451#Comment_122296451

The deprogramming guy would end up converted to Burkism, or in a padded cell.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293757#Comment_122293757

Indeed - The Panel at the WRC said that Ammi actually had a reasonable case to bring forward in regards to her dismissal(At least it was worth a proper hearing not that she would have won)

But because she and her Mother couldn't stop ranting and roaring and accusing everyone of corruption and collusion they eventually just dismissed the whole thing and ruled against her.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296451#Comment_122296451

That sounds a little Chinese, it's up to individuals to allow the Penny to drop

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122294041#Comment_122294041

The vast majority of people recognise the jurisdiction of the courts [even if they don't understand all the theory behind it] and they pretty quick realise it when they sit in a prison cell for awhile knowing that the only way out is by accepting it. The difference is that the majority of people will have people in their bubble confirming this while the Burke bubble does the exact opposite.

But it is truly amazing who an entire family can go through higher education and not one of them has managed to figure it out…..

prunudo

They may have odd and have differing views but I'm surprised there isn't more push back against what happened Jemima last week. The gardai and the judiciary rushed through a court session and charged her in dubious circumstances.

All in the same week as we saw a soldier given an easy ride by the system, this women was charged for saying the gaurd and the coroner would be judged by god, hardly the threat of the century.

They may be a pain in the arse but seems what happened her was disproportionate, especially given the coroner called her scum of the earth.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296863#Comment_122296863

They have "figured it out" , at least they think they have.

They see this as some Righteous crusade and that an eternal reward awaits them for all their labours here on this earthly plane.

Breaking through that Religious shield that has been created by the parents is virtually impossible.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296894#Comment_122296894

I have a feeling (and it just a feeling) that the good people of Mayo, and the local Gardai, are coming to the end of their tether with the Burkes and their antics.

I also think it was Jemima who stuck her phone in Simon Harris' face, not Ammi, but I'd have to look at the video again - I could be wrong about that. But it looked more like Jemima than Ammi to me.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297095#Comment_122297095

And that may well all be true, but we but need to be careful where we are going as a country, where we don't call out when the gardai or the state over reach their powers to silence people who don't agree with them. You can be sure they wouldn't arrest someone for saying they'll be judged by Allah.

The family may be as mad as the march hare, but they are still entitled the same correct procedures as you, I or any other citizen.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296734#Comment_122296734

Yeah, I know it does. Thing is that with violent offenders we'd say they should take anti anger classes. And rather than keeping him in prison indefinitely, would it be better to give him some therapy.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297139#Comment_122297139

This is not her first offence for this exact behaviour.

She interrupted another Coroners hearing a few years back, about a young girl who died from complications due to underlying conditions during Covid.

She lied to get in to the court by claiming to work for a newspaper that hasn't existed in a century and then proceeded to shout and roar about Anti-vax bollocks causing massive upset to the family of the deceased , just as she did this time as well.

She wasn't "calling out the Gardai or the State for overreach" , she was babbling nonsense conspiracy theories.

The failure of the Judge in Limerick to deal with that assault case properly does not make the prompt judgement for Jemima Burke somehow wrong.

The entire family believe that they are above the law.

They aren't.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297146#Comment_122297146

Burke has not shown any signs of violence

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297180#Comment_122297180

Did she not use the fake newspaper reporter lie to get into one of Tony Houlihans pressers? Coroner's court is public, I think, anyone can just walk in. No lies required.

As someone mentioned earlier, the Burke's often have valid cases. I believe Enoch has a case against school - not that I agree with his stance. Ammi's WRC case was potentially sound. They've previously been successful in court, the predicted Leaving Cert grades, Isaac's PhD delay.

But for reasons of religious zealotry they've decided to take this current stance of disruption, chanting, shouting. They know this will hamper any attempts they take to get what they perceive as justice. It's a pity, there is so much potential in these young, intelligent people. Religion is such a stain on humanity.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297198#Comment_122297198

I never said he did.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297198#Comment_122297198

If you define violence as an intent or the causing of physical or mental harm then they are guilty, plain as day. They have accosted and verbally assaulted both Simon Harris and Alan Dillon, screamed abuse at judges, Gardai and court officials. It's their MO and if Dillon or Harris had any sense they should ensure that the Burkes again be hauled in front of a judge to account for themselves.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296939#Comment_122296939

That is true while the are young and at home, but when people go away to college etc…. They usually develop a perspective of their own……. Unless perhaps Dad drove them to Galway everyday or something….

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296894#Comment_122296894

What do you mean what "happened" to her. Load of nonsense. She broke the law, she was tried in court and found guilty. The only dubious things are the straws some people clutch at to stick up for a family who exhibit repeated criminal behaviour.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297139#Comment_122297139

Was it an overreach or incorrect procedures? I really don't believe it was.

This is the way it usually works, or should work when someone commits an offence. Plenty of people get arrested for public order offences and appear in court the very next day.

And "special" sittings of courts are called all the time, it's not unusual, or an over-reach.

I think the Burkes are pushing their luck and can expect no leniency from here on.

Babyreignbow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122296894#Comment_122296894

All in the same week as we saw a soldier given an easy ride by the system, this women was charged for saying the gaurd and the coroner would be judged by god, hardly the threat of the century.

The irony that they believe they are beyond judgment themselves.

hoodie6029

Like the Christian Nationalists in the US and similar groups across the globe, the Burkes believe that the country should be remade in their image and to their values. They don’t see anything wrong with any of their actions because of this belief.
Back to Enoch, with the Leaving Cert well and truly over now, there is no chance now of him getting another release like he did on the Christmas holidays before.
He’d go right back to Wilson’s on 1 September to ‘report for work’ and the whole circus would start again. Cost to the State of commiting him again (Gardaí, Prison Service etc.) and stress for Wilson’s staff and students. It would also give him a lot of attention unnecessarily too.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297497#Comment_122297497

That's not violence of the kind which incurs a conviction for assault etc

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297946#Comment_122297946

Effectively an emergency court was assembled on the very day the incident with the corriner occurred

That's highly unusual

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298348#Comment_122298348

Not really, there are special sittings of the Courts for serious or timely matters all the time.
If they didn’t do this, the Burkes would have continued to disrupt the Coroner’s Court and there was a distinct possibility it would be abandoned. The State cannot allow the administration of justice, tribunals, etc to be impeded like that. This was a very serious matter.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298348#Comment_122298348

if they had scheduled it for a later date they would have to deal with the full burke circus. better to get it over and done with.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298433#Comment_122298433

It's the Burke's, not an Islamic state cell

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298847#Comment_122298847

Well observed.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298847#Comment_122298847

Indeed , but they are well known zealots who will point blank refuse to comply with lawful orders and who will disrupt official proceedings for as long as they are allowed to simply because they think that the laws of the land don't apply to them and that they are answerable only to God.

So swift action was needed to ensure that those important proceedings, that the Burkes have absolutely categorically no valid reason to attend , are allowed to continue so that the family gets some closure around the events of their loved ones death.

Being interrupted by self-important entitled arseholes who want to shout and roar about their own agenda is NOT something that they should have to endure.

So , I for one am perfectly happy that she was charged , convicted and fined post haste. And if she turns up again having been told not to , she should be jailed.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122297923#Comment_122297923

If memory serves me right, there were a couple of them in third level at the same time, when they ran into trouble with the Societies org. Though I have no knowledge of this, I suspect they lived together and only associated with like minded people. It’s also worth remembering that they were as obstinate in college as they now are post-college, I know if I was there, I would have given them a wide birth, so they probably didn’t develop socially with the benefit of mixing with their peers.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122298348#Comment_122298348

To me, what is highly unusual behaviour would be for a group of people, any people, to harass and harangue on the streets of one of our towns the coroner as he's involved in hearing the circumstances of a death in a hospital, making invalid accusations against the coroner that he is covering up on how the person died.

There is an explanation for this: its the Burke family, the family involved in trying to set up the standard of religious belief for all in our country, the family which has set its mind to setting the standard to which our justice and court system mist adhere, the family who think they are right in all things so much that they - and their chosen one - are willing to have him sit in a jail here to demonstrate their will to win.

I am minded to point out the obvious and that is that the Burke family attempted to hijack a coroners court hearing - something totally unrelated to the row they have with the judges and Wilsons School - for their own publicity purpose and nowt else. I wont express what I think about anyone who considers the Burke family actions against the coroner as credible or legitimate.