Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

miamee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314637#Comment_122314637

No it just means he'll be back outside the school in September and this whole saga will recommence with him being arrested again - but he won't automatically go back to prison until he puts a foot wrong I'd imagine. But he won't be able to help himself.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314665#Comment_122314665

Going back to the school at all will be "putting a foot wrong".

But it's nonsense that he's let out - He's in jail for contempt of court and he has not purged that contempt - Letting him out for the "holidays" is just ridiculous.

He inability to act the twat by going to the school because it's closed for the next ~2 months should be irrelevant to the overall rule of law.

The 1st day of school in September, he will turn up and then the school will have to apply to the courts again so he'll get to stand outside the school for several days at least before the breech of the injunction is reviewed and confirmed in court.

The entire family have shown that they simply do not care about the rule of law so the law "doing them favours" like this achieves absolutely nothing.

WH BONNEY

I heard he has premium tickets for Tay Tay.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314704#Comment_122314704

As I mentioned above, I hope Justice Sanfey's motivation in releasing him, was so the DAP could be heard before the next school term begins.

Then his trespass would become criminal.

It will be interesting now, to see if the DAP is convened. It was meant to proceed in July of last year.

It wasnt me123

Just heard Enoch Burke has been released from Mountjoy. Don't have any other info

From RTE news

The judge said that following a review of the situation, and the fact State examinations are now completed and the school is on holidays, he was directing the teachers release.

The court did not require Mr Burke to purge his contempt and agree to comply with the terms of an order made against him last year, the judge said.

In that decision, Mr Justice Alexander Owens granted Wilson's Hospital a permanent injunction restraining Mr Burke from attending at the school.

Now he's out, can they fire him?

sniperman

delighted for him,fair play to him for standing up for his beliefs,i admire him,well done lad

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314612#Comment_122314612

Actually, he's in jail because he's refusing to stay away from the school during the normal course of business, which I believe the is what the Court Order was about.

With the exams now finished, it's not a time of year for the normal course of business, so there's no need for him to be in prison.

I find it's actually clever from the Judge.

It quite clearly sets out that his prison time is not about individual beliefs (of course it never was), it's not about on-going discipline matters, it's simply about whether Enoch Burke adheres to a Court Order to keep away from the school while the school is ongoing in it's normal course of business. And if the school is not in session, then there's no need for a Court Order to punish him.

And it shows his incarceration in entirely self-inflicted under a point of law with no real intent of punishment of young Burke, and nothing more.

In simple terms, it says quite Burke's own ignorance alone is the problem.

TinyMuffin

be some pints drank to night in the Burke household.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314765#Comment_122314765

as you well know he was imprisoned because of his appalling conduct, not his beliefs

knucklehead6

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314770#Comment_122314770

He was actually in jail for refusing to obey a court order. Whether the court order was to stay away from the school is irrelevant. He refused to obey a lawful order from the court, so he was held in contempt

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314765#Comment_122314765

Those beliefs are he should be able to keep going to his place of work when he was suspended for intimidating a colleague and breaching a students confidence...strange to admire that...

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314800#Comment_122314800

Yes, but it does show that the Court is not out to punish Burke for his beliefs, which is his position, "I'm being punished for my beliefs" and all that crap him and his family have been spewing for a while. Even if he should stay in prison on a point of law and order, it shows that the Court does not want to jail him, and is certainly not out to punish him for his views.

So it puts any further incarceration, which will likely happen when the school resumes after the summer holidays, solely on the shoulders of Enoch Burke and his lack of respect of the law and gives him very little wiggle room for publicity for his (clearly crazy) "cause".

It also means that his disciplinary hearing might actually go ahead, that he could be fired, or not, by the time the school comes back. If he's fired, then it might actually make the Courts job easier as his (likely) trespassing, if past behaviour is to go by, may become a criminal matter, for which a Judge could impose an actual sentence.

randd1

"be some pints drank to night in the Burke household."

Holy Water must be a hell of a mixer.

It's clearly done the Burke's fierce harm.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314798#Comment_122314798

The Burkes don't approve of alcohol.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314765#Comment_122314765

Thanks for that. I needed a laugh!

Augme

The number of Judges in this country who are unfit for the job is quite frightening.

chooseusername

Are the fines still racking up?

What’s the tally now?

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314882#Comment_122314882

27 January 2023 to 28 June 2024 = 518 days @ €700 per day = €362,600.00

+ €15,000 fine for trespass.

+ various awards for legal costs against him.

Babyreignbow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314901#Comment_122314901

Maybe if the judge ruled that a gay gets free from hell for everyday of contempt he'd atone pretty quickly

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314770#Comment_122314770

Great post. It's going to look even more ridiculous when he comes and stands outside the school in September.

dubrov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314901#Comment_122314901

I bet he pays his unpaid M50 toll fines too

Boggles

Great.

If he shows up again in September, arrest him on criminal trespass.

Bail him and if he shows up again, arrest him on criminal trespass and revoke his bail.

Rinse and repeat.

About time this criminal behaviour was treated as such and not leaving the school to deal with it.

ZeroThreat

He's going to miss the willies being put up him in the joy.

Pentecost

Just in time for Pride. He'll be delighted.

Hamsterchops

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122314765#Comment_122314765

I would admire his initial principle & belief too, (but that's not the issue here), and never has been since his totally out of order actions in the school, including when he was suspended yet kept coming back! That's why he is where he is, not because of his very reasonable belief in relation to genesis of his reckless journey.

tayto lover

Burke still has a case ongoing against the school afaik -

Education Minister Norma Foley has said that an appeal against the school board's decision to dismiss Burke remains live. AFTER MORE THAN 280 days in prison, Enoch Burke continues to receive his full salary from Wilson's Hospital School.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122315028#Comment_122315028

What is there to admire exactly about a teacher (although not a teacher of the pupil in question, still an adult in a position of power) undermining / belittling / singling out a vulnerable underage student?

Ten of Swords

Mod - Cathal Crotty is completely off topic in this thread, leave it out.

Ezeoul

The thread is doing that annoying freezing thing again.

I've reported it in case we need a new continuation thread.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122315178#Comment_122315178

Yes, I've referenced this.

Hopefully now the Disciplinary Appeal Panel can now go ahead, and finalise his termination.