F.A. Cup 2023 Thread

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377634#Comment_120377634

Maybe some of them. Others do seem to genuinely struggle with basics so they do need help. I doubt anyone could actually commit to the whole "clueless" act as well as they do so maybe its genuine.

chicorytip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120377042#Comment_120377042

Dermot Gallagher on Sky reviewed that incident and said no punishment for Fernandes was necessary. He's an impartial Judge who knows the rules. So, there you go. It was a sly little dig on the linesman by BF all the same. Maybe the ref didn't see the incident. Mitrovic deserves what he got.

kowloonkev

I seem to recall Dermot Gallagher saying that the linesman put his hands on Bruno first, and maybe that is why they were not willing to take the matter further. While you see referees putting their body in the way of two players arguing, I guess it's not appropriate either for an official to manhandle a player, and therefore Bruno got off.

I did raise an eyebrow at the time though. It was more than a tap on the back. It was a bit of a slap out of frustration, and to be honest he was lucky nothing came of it.

Mitrovic was much more aggressive though and continued to hound the ref and there was real menace about him. I'd be surprised if the ban is less than 6 games.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378142#Comment_120378142

This is a fair assessment.

Not like using Ex referee Dermot Gallagher and claiming he’s impartial as an example to excuse Bruno.

99/100 Dermot Gallagher sides with the officials and made a show of himself a while back trying you defend VAR to the point he was laughing at his own confusion and bias.

Fitz*

Maybe Mitrovic saw Fernandes put his hands on an official a couple weeks ago, with no retribution taken, and thought it was fare game. We'll never know. But the action of Fernandes putting his hands on an official in a somewhat aggressive manner did happen. it wasn't a friendly tap on the back.

Mitrovic absolutely deserved to be sent off, and receive and a larger ban. No questions about that whatsoever because he was aggressive and continued to abuse the referee after the action. He was out of control.

Mitrovic needs to be made an example of now, before it spirals out of control even more.

pjohnson

I thought the hot takes would have cooled down by now.

It makes Mitro's meltdown all the funnier.

CSF

Mitro been charged now, so they’re looking at longer than the standard 3 games. They need to set an example obviously that referees can’t be targeted, but I hope they don’t go too far also, given that he didn’t actually assault him really. 5/6 games probably the most likely outcome IMO.

~Rebel~

Yeah, they need to be careful about overdoing it here I think... I'd be thinking 4 or 5 is enough. But I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go wild with an 8+ match ban - which is the sort of thing I think should really be reserved for actual violence (Ben Thatcher got 8 matches for smashing Mendes, and Suarez got 10 for biting Ivanovic).

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381289#Comment_120381289

Obviously there needs to be a distinction where its more serious to do something to a referee, but probably worth a mention that he often wouldn't have even got booked for the same thing if he'd done same thing to another player.

I get that it is not the same thing and that referees require extra protection, particularly for what they might face at grassroots level, but sure look, 5 game ban. Keep him out against Villa. Justice done.

CSF

Literally after typing that, I read a tweet from the Sun saying its expected to be 10 games. Keeping him out until the last day of the season against...........Man United.

Honestly 10 games feels over the top.

bucketybuck

It should be more than 10 games, and I am really surprised that people can't see why.

And I have to say, the idea that he should get away lightly because he didn't actually punch the ref is just insane. You have a high profile player in a high profile match stalking the ref like some fat bellied **** acting the hard man on a night out, how the hell can people not see the implications of that? We talk about respect to referees but it is ok to act like that? Bollocks.

Its not about what he did, it is the intent. It is the threat and the aggression towards the one person who cannot afford to have his position diminished.

He needs to be made an example off, a slap on the wrist will do more harm than good so the FA need to hammer the **** out of him and make sure the message is clear.

I will say that it is hilarious to me that his whole posturing hard man act was because of one of the most blatant penalties you will ever see. Of all the things to get banned on the back of he choose that, what a **** moron.

ShamoBuc

Doubling it from 3 to 6 would be perfectly fine.

8 would be a bit of a stretch for me.

10 would be a bit of a joke and set a very high precident.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381530#Comment_120381530

I don’t think there was intent to do more than he did though. I think he had ample opportunity to do more than that, but he managed to sensibly restrain himself, because if he hadn’t, we’d be talking about Premier League career likely over, rather than how long this ban should be.

I can see all the points people have around this, and think he should get a longer ban than normal, but not completely sure he should be banned for what other people might do in the future either.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381549#Comment_120381549

The high precedent of "Don't ever threaten or intimidate a referee"? Why would that be a bad thing?

Besides, 11 matches for pushing a ref is already the precedent.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381608#Comment_120381608

Punishing one person to deter future behaviour in others is a valid strategy.

He might not like it but frankly who cares, he created this situation himself. Its all on him.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381623#Comment_120381623

I don’t think it’s fair to punish him for that kind of behaviour if he didn’t demonstrate it.

He should be punished for aggressive behaviour, but not violent behaviour, because I don’t think anything he did was particularly violent.

6 game ban for aggressive and threatening behaviour towards an official and be done with it IMO.

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381611#Comment_120381611

Because the next time 6 players surround a ref and intimidate them you think they should all get bans too?

6 is perfectly fine.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381708#Comment_120381708

I thought people wanted the crowding of the ref to stop? Is that now considered acceptable? Normal?

Not that I should be entertaining this strawman, because the aggression on display Sunday was not the same as the usual whiny pleading from players. But then you know that.

No matter. Attitudes like this is why it keeps happening. If they want it to stop then the FA know what they need to do.

Necro

They should throw the book at Silva too for his nonsense, Mitrovic dug his own grave but seeing his manager rant and rave like a loon at the ref over a definite penalty was bound to incite him further. I like Silva and he's been impressive at Fulham but you can't get away with that behavior, particularly over such an obvious decision.

I'd also be in the camp of seeing a long long ban for Mitrovic. Make an example of him and show grassroots in particular they're serious about protecting refs.

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381754#Comment_120381754

Correct, and I hope they double the ban to 6 games, that will go towards helping what is not acceptable - but then you know that.

They could be like you and want a complete over reaction of 10 plus games of course. Attitudes like that will help ruin the game.

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381776#Comment_120381776

Why would it ruin the game for someone pushing, intimidating and threatening a referee to receive a 10 game ban?

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381874#Comment_120381874

What qualifies as intimidation? Surrounding and shouting a ref - would that not be threatening and aggressive? If 3 or 4 players did that at the same time, which does happen a lot, send off each of them and give 10 game bans? Definition of overkill and it would of course ruin the game. In such an instance, I would like players- all of them- to be booked for acting like that, that would help cut it out. They very rarely are.

Di Canio got 8 for pushing Alcock.

For what he did, a 6 game ban or maybe 8 would suffice.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381759#Comment_120381759

That's not why Silva complained, and if you had seen his post match interview, or read this thread, you would know.

He complained because he thought VAR was being used selectively, and he was angry that VAR did not look at the coming together of Martinez and Mitrovic in the first half. He has also asked to see what the referee wrote in his match report, so I would say he's confident that the book won't be thrown at him at all.

As regards Mitrovic, I'm seeing him banned for double figures. I was one of the people who said that Fernandes should have been banned as players would start thinking they could get away with stuff. Again, anyone looking at a still of the Fernandes incident is missing out on him kicking out at and pushing Trent before he pushes the assistant referee. As regards referees touching players, I am unaware of any rule that prevents this. This was a push and should have been dealt with as such, but was just ignored as if nothing had happened.

I agree with @ShamoBuc about the intimidation aspect as well. Someone has to take action on this. I'd argue that a referee should stand his ground and not back away and if a player comes into contact with him, they should be sanctioned.

El Gato De Negocios

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381959#Comment_120381959

Ah come on. The DiCanio one was alot softer than the Mitrovic one. Paolo gave him a bit of a shove in the chest. Mitrovic first swung the arm and connected with the refs arm then continues to remonstrate, right up in the refs face and he is body bumping him. He will get at least 10 games as right he should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEs2Les-POc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixp5AVdC2f4

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120378097#Comment_120378097

IMO Bruno should have got a yellow for disrespect/petulance. Mitrovic deserved his red for the aggresion he was showing at the same time.

Though I think Bruno more than just touched the ref, you see players every match touching the ref - hard on the arm, getting their attention etc. For the red card, imo there should be a line of aggression along with the damn near standard petulance of players. If Bruno had got a red, I think it would have been harsh - but a yellow would have been completely deserved.

Mitrovic was also being abusive and confrontational to the ref before the red card - the drag back/shove was the final straw, rather than it being the only reason for the card, imo.

Mitch Connor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381959#Comment_120381959

there was supposed to be a new rule giving a yellow card to any player approaching the ref that was not directly involved (and called by the ref) or the captain. That was a new thing this season iirc, it didn't even last a game.

Though I don't think players whinging to the ref is really a massive problem - what we don't want to see every week is repeats of the United/Boro ref incident from years ago - that is where it has clearly gone to far and yellow cards should be thrown about like candy in those situations, if not reds.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120382456#Comment_120382456

Tbf it popped up randomly last month aswell Dias (Man City) and Lemina (Wolves) both got second yellows and sent off for rushing in yammering away.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120382456#Comment_120382456

I disagree, slightly, about whinging. I think that some teams have this as a tactic, as it reduces the amount of "game time". I found this table, its league based, not cup, but there was a belief at the time, that a Tony Pulis managed Stoke City thought their chances of winning points were enhanced by less football being played! Conversely Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal games were north of 60 minutes, with, ironically after the weekend, a Man United vs Fulham game going over 70 minutes!

There's also a sort of "we're all in this together" where the team gather to show their adoring fans how united they are! We aren't allowed compare it to rugby clearly, as posters who did that had their heads bitten off, but in an ideal world I'd envy the transparency in rugby, both with regards to time-keeping and their use of the TMO. That's not even mentioning respect for the officials.

pjohnson

I'm pretty sure Pulis Stoke teams had a lot of delays due to Delaps throw in routine.

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120381959#Comment_120381959

You are comparing apples and oranges. Mitrovic elbows the ref and then hounds him. There was no knowing what he might do because he had already lost the plot and proved he was capable of putting his hands on the official.

I think the other usual stuff of swearing and harrassing officials should also be taken more seriously but for whatever reason it's not.