Time for a zero refugee policy? - Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24

ArthurDayne · 14-04-2023 9:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473849#Comment_120473849

The problem is that any band of presumably right leaning parties / independents will eventually fail eachothers' purity tests. Some will see others as too extreme, and some will see others as not extreme enough. Any such party has to manage to unite a church of people that might comprise of some who have reasonable misgivings about multiculturalism with a whole array of people whose views range across supporting staunch Catholicism, libertarianism, authoritarianism, the brutalisation and even killing of criminals, summary deportations of migrants (along various differing thresholds of what qualifies for deportation), the maintenance of the 'purity' of the Irish race etc etc etc.

They could all band together but eventually they disgust and disappoint eachother. Those with the reasonable views would find it impossible to reel in the eccentrics and extremists, and the eccentrics and extremists would simply decry the reasonable ones as bootlickers.

Mr. teddywinkles · 14-04-2023 10:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476074#Comment_120476074

Just like the left leaning parties. Nothing is ever liberal enough.

rgossip30 · 14-04-2023 11:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474193#Comment_120474193

Yes the irate poster could have provided a lnk from the cso for his claim about those Ukranians actually remaining here. A deduction of 10k as dsp shows all those with active claims. The number of 20k+ are those in DP only 2k are in own accommodation and now 400 + on the streets .

Loafing Oaf · 14-04-2023 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476074#Comment_120476074

The likes of McGrath and Collins are ultra-pragmatists though. If they are the driving force behind this new party they'll be making sure it doesn't adopt any policies that are too extreme for 'middle Ireland'. I remain skeptical that they would be winning any more seats under a party label than they would running as standalone indeopendents...

Strazdas · 14-04-2023 12:58pm

David McWilliams wrote a very good article recently suggesting that whenever openly 'right wing' or right wing populist governments are elected globally, they usually end up wrecking the place and the economy. They are guided by ideology primarily (immigration and refugees, culture war issues, conservative values etc) and are invariably clueless as to how the modern economy works. Also, the markets often take fright and investors are reluctant to get involved with a country governed by ideologues.

People rightly would have many concerns about a country being governed by extreme left socialists but they probably should be even more worried by the right wing populist types.

Annasopra · 14-04-2023 1:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476764#Comment_120476764

McGrath and Collins are far from pragmatic. They often parrot a lot of far right talking points - even the video above McGrath is ranting about globalists and NGOs on 5bn a year and Ireland First - all the language of far right. They are given a consistent platform by far right media like Gript. Nah not ultra pragmatic at all. Overly willing to latch onto far right hate/populism and conspiracies

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40339418.html

Loafing Oaf · 14-04-2023 2:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120477174#Comment_120477174

IMO McGrath just trots out that stuff to win brownie points withn the Catholic Right. I'm dubious how much of it he truly agrees with or even fully understands. His laser focus is on retaining his Dail seat. If a situation arose where this putative party was propping up another FF/FG government you can rest assured they wouldn't be demanding any major lurches to the right on immigration or anything else; the individual TDs would as always be overwhelmingly concerned with looking after their own constituents....

Potatoeman · 14-04-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476992#Comment_120476992

That’s because they stray too far right and block skilled immigrants. You could look at the country and education level and predict issues.

Kyokushin Grappler · 14-04-2023 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476992#Comment_120476992

Considering many on the Left still swear by Socialism and Communism as if it were a religion you'll forgive me if I don't believe that the Left understand how modern economies work either.

Annasopra · 14-04-2023 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120477395#Comment_120477395

I dont really agree to be honest. McGrath and Collins are very right wing on social issues. They could easily be pushing an open door on rightward immigration policy with parts of FF and FG and SF. They are being fed this stuff and its clear being puffed up by far right extremist hate media like gript too who will push them on their agendas. So far you have Collins and McGrath, they named other independent male Cllrs. They will need some women too to get state funding with gender quota laws. Sign up someone like Senator Sharon Keogan (she's kindred spirits with them on the far right transphobia) - then theres a definite move rightwards way beyond "pragmatic"

Loafing Oaf · 14-04-2023 6:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478214#Comment_120478214

Well we saw how anti-abortion sentiment in both FF and FG melted away like snow in the sun the moment it becane politically inconvenient. To me these independents are like FF or FG backbenchers of 20 or 30 years ago, mouthing 'socially conservative' platitudes to appeal their backwoods constituents. So supposing this new party was negotiating to support an FF/FG government and they had something like introducing a cap on immigration in their manifesto, I'm confident if they got any sort of pushback from the establishment, Mattie would drop said proposal like a hot potato in favour of a new bypass for Carrick-on-Suir or whatever...

bsloepro · 14-04-2023 6:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478214#Comment_120478214

“Far right extremist hate media like Gript”

my god you really do read some drivel on here…..go over there to Gript.ie and show me the extremist hate you are referring to…..do you not think that statement itself is a bit extreme?

jaysus feckin Christ

Annasopra · 14-04-2023 6:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478371#Comment_120478371

We all know what Gripts agenda is. It needs to be always called out for exactly what it is.

bsloepro · 14-04-2023 6:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478403#Comment_120478403

Good sidestep - well done

No WE don’t ALL know

…and who gives you the right to speak for what WE ALL know

go on outta that

thinkabouit · 14-04-2023 6:56pm

Id 100% back them off they formed a new party, only if they develop policy’s holistically.

We would be the first country in history to do it.

we can’t get ourselves out of trouble with the same thinking that got us into it.

Strazdas · 15-04-2023 12:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120477877#Comment_120477877

Most economists would probably agree with you. The preferred option for a successful market economy in western democracies is usually towards the centre or centre right or centre left. Openly right wing or left wing governments are considered bad news, as they can favour their own brand of ideology over pragmatic economics.

Should be stressed too that there are very few openly left wing governments anywhere. Politics in general has mostly swung towards the right.

creeper1 · 15-04-2023 7:58am

The left are bought and paid for by the fraction of a percentage.

If you believe that the government are cracking down on arrivals presenting without passports then it's clear that arrivals from across the border will emerge as the main way migrants enter the republic.

Here's a video detailing how the migrants enter from France. They are all men. A certain percentage will opt for Ireland especially if the UK government really does start Rwanda flights. I personally think they won't but it's something to keep an eye on.

https://youtu.be/oKcJXvBZGSg

NattyO · 15-04-2023 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476992#Comment_120476992

People rightly would have many concerns about a country being governed by extreme left socialists but they probably should be even more worried by the right wing populist types.

🤣🤣🤣

Ireland has no party that is even vaguely right-wing.

What we do have is a number of extreme left-wing parties. We currently have an extreme left-wing party as a minority in our government, and we are very likely to have an extreme left-wing party as a majority partner in the next government.

Worrying about the right in Ireland is like standing in your house while it's burning down, worrying that it may be struck by lightning.

BoxcarWilliam99 · 15-04-2023 11:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120480302#Comment_120480302

Bingo .

Current government pays rent for half the country, gives cost of living supports universally, almost 10 billion give away budget - Right wing my ar*e

newhouse87 · 15-04-2023 1:30pm

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/five-alleged-sexual-assaults-seven-deaths-reported-in-international-protection-accommodation-1462907.html

Not great figures. Major overhaul needed.

It wasnt me · 15-04-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120480744#Comment_120480744

Shocking,no excuse. Straight deportation. Same as 3 Georgians, report in today's evening herald caused over 3.5k worth of damage to a taxi drivers car. 2 here as asylum seekers.

AndrewJRenko · 15-04-2023 2:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478371#Comment_120478371

Doesn't seem extreme to me. There isn't a hate bandwagon that Grift won't climb onto.

Strumms · 15-04-2023 2:50pm

Shît hitting the fan in Sudan, an attempted coup. But the state forces are believed to be getting on top of the citizens and heavy violence is prevailing.

of course the EU is already having a say…

The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell has called on forces to immediately cease violence and consider the protection of Sudanese citizens.

if that doesn’t happen this Borrell fella will probably start sending the planes for them…so the EU taxpayers can protect them, with housing, healthcare , transportation and weekly cash awaiting in every EU state…

EU…. The worlds life raft..

as I said before, the world has never been without war, hunger, famine, inequality, violence, poverty etc and it’s unlikely to ever be. Yet the EU continues to be.. the worlds life raft. EU citizens continue to pony up to help ALL in sundry while more and more services are denied or scaled back for / to citizens here.

there needs to be ‘limits’

enricoh · 15-04-2023 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120481006#Comment_120481006

Seen that, citywest residents. The judge may have well awarded 350k to the taxi driver - he won't be getting a penny either way!

Kyokushin Grappler · 15-04-2023 4:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120481012#Comment_120481012

They're not going to be happy until all of Europe into a violent and bloody revolt.

BoxcarWilliam99 · 15-04-2023 4:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120481269#Comment_120481269

It's unraveling all over the place. I heard in France in response to the brutality of the police on the streets a grouping within the protestors have been studying individual police officer movement. Where they live, their families, their movements etc. I wouldn't be surprised if something crazy were to happen

Kyokushin Grappler · 15-04-2023 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120481290#Comment_120481290

The French Police have been attacking protestors lately so i'm not surprised. France seems to be the First Powder Keg to go off that start this whole thing.