Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120569967#Comment_120569967

No thats not logical. A school with 4 pupils in each class wouldnt stay open.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120563538#Comment_120563538

FYI Denmark has put the brakes on non legal immigration specifically to preserve social cohesion.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570139#Comment_120570139

How do you know that to be a fact.

Have you links to similar situations where schools have closed?

Or maybe you have other reasons for your statement of fact?

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570447#Comment_120570447

The jist of his post is immigration keeps schools open how wonderful but many classes are overcrowded .

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570079#Comment_120570079

Yeah but you also seem to be missing the point that those were literally Victorian times. I'm taking it as a safe assumption that you don't think refugees should be treated to squalor and mistreatment.

The Irish didn't necessarily assimilate straight away either, and their arrival didn't exactly go down peaceably. First of all, they were Catholics and seen as religiously and culturally distinct from Protestants (not to mention potentially seditious due to their perceived allegiance to Rome). The Irish Catholic immigrants were certainly not seen with the same admiration as the Protestant Scotch-Irish who were viewed as industrious, high quality people who had helped to expand the Frontier (not to mention that culturally the nativists saw America as being the refuge of puritanical Christianity from decadent Catholicism). There were huge tensions between Irish Catholic migrants and the so-called 'native' population, which frequently flared into brutal violence (like the Philadelphia Bible Riots of 1844). Some Irish soldiers even deserted the US army and fought alongside the Mexican Army in the Mexican-American War (the 'San Patricios' as they were known). Even in Boston, the city most synonymous with the eventual rise of the Irish diaspora to prominence, historians describe the Irish population as for a long time "a massive lump in the community, undigested, indigestible".

The Irish Catholics did not, in some great sweeping move, collectively set aside their religious beliefs or culture even though it was seen as totally incompatible to what Nativist Americans saw as being everything that America stood for. So I'd put it to you again that you have a rose tinted view of the "assimilation" of the Irish in America.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570032#Comment_120570032

I never hear it apart from as some racist gotcha.

Never not even once have I heard a person with anything resembling honesty say that refugees are going to all be doctors or whatever.

Which is why I am asking who led that poster to believe this. Can they cite one example maybe of a TD or top public servant saying this.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120568501#Comment_120568501

Now that's an interesting way to look at it alright! You make it sound like a lucky benefit and job creation scheme!

Also, what supports are there/needed for this class? Basic English tuition? SNAs for kids finding the adjustment harder than others?

Have these been resourced? Who loses out by reallocating the resources? (because we know there's not enough SNAs as it is in most schools). What effect on the 4 kids if the entire class has to slow to cover the basics such as language skills?

These are all fair questions that I'm sure the parents of the 4 are wondering about.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120569514#Comment_120569514

Statements to that effect have been made umpteen times throughout the thread, by the same usual suspects you’ll see on the thread every day

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570546#Comment_120570546

What sticks in my my mind is a TD who said Irish people should have sorted out their housing . The ethos housing is based on need and not citizenship .

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570826#Comment_120570826

So you can give me just a single example easily then right?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571209#Comment_120571209

Your niece is going to the school that your wife is on the board of management of.

And a teacher from that school that discussed information about nationality of students with a civilian member of the board of management?

And you led this story on boards by saying your nieces class.

👆🤣🤣🤣

I don't believe this story.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120168350#Comment_120168350

@RobbieTheRobber

Here you go, refugees apparently “extremely beneficial” to the Irish economy - only took me getting to page 2 out of 152…there are many more examples in the thread like I was referring to earlier. The search function on boards is too crap so if you want other examples you can trawl through it all yourself

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570236#Comment_120570236

Denmarks loss could be Ireland's gain, well Ireland's refugee industry gain!

Montage of Feck

Again the debate on RTE isn't addressing the issue, the official line is we aren't doing enough more housing and supports needed. Just insane, you can nearly see steam coming out the ears of some of the audience speakers.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/09/hotel-bed-shortages-due-to-impact-of-migrants-costing-10000-tourism-jobs-analysis-finds/

Job losses in tourism sector up to ten thousand now with all the capacity that’s been given over to refugees.

Wonder what will be the knock on effect for those towns and communities that rely on tourism

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573125#Comment_120573125

Almost like posters have been saying this in here for a year. The knock on effects of their incompetence will be profound for many up and down the country

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571930#Comment_120571930

That's not even close.

There is a poster or posters who have been led to believe that refugees will all be doctors, engineers etc.

I am wondering by who or how they have been led to believe this. And if possible to cite a source for this claim.

You have provided another post by a boards poster which while being vaguely on your same subject area has nothing to do with what I am posting about.

I doubt very much that anyone believed anything they didn't already before reading that post.

So this common racist trope of people being led to believe refugees would all be <insert preferred profession>,who led you to believe this if that is what you believe?

baldbear

Anyone listening to Pat Kenny? Lots of tents outside the international protection offices i think.

One lad from South Africa who a gang wanted him to join and another lad from Zimbabwe who says he is gay.

It's obvious Pat is not impressed. He basically said why are they coming to Ireland?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573125#Comment_120573125

Sod these towns and their locals. If they are really lucky some so called journalist from the Indo or the Irish times will get travel allowance to call to the likes of clones, lisdoonvarna, portmagee etc.

There'll they'll interview the new diversity officer who'll tell us how wonderful it all is n that more funding is required.

Said journalist will hotfoot it back to their leafy suburbs in south Dublin grateful that high property prices will keep their area from turning out the same.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120572749#Comment_120572749

2 questions allowed from the audience, one saying more needs to be done for direct provision, another saying a taoiseach in the future could be from Ukraine.

I take it these two were just normal joe public n not employed in the refugee industry. They'd have said if they were- wouldn't they!!

monseiur

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573404#Comment_120573404

Has Pat Kenny been living under a rock for the past x no. of years, or was he just being sarcastic ? Why, he asks, are they coming to Ireland ? 99.99% of these migrants are not refugees (that's a badge of convenience) they are economic migrants. The word is out for a long time now that Ireland is a soft touch. The Nigerians call Ireland 'treasure Ireland for a reason !) Illegal migrants are coming here for our over generous welfare system, free housing, free education, free medical etc. etc. being aided and abetted by civil & public servants and other NGO all financed by our taxes.

Also the fact that's it's almost impossible to be deported and if, in the unlikely event that deportation is attempted, free legal aid is available with access to the best barristers, solicitors etc. up to the highest court in the land with options to go to the ECJ. All this of course takes years and years and millions of Euro.

England is gradually closing the door on illegal migrants so more and more are heading our way, many can speak some english so we're the next port of call. Hundreds of illegal migrants are turning up at Dublin airport's immigration office without any form of ID having deliberately destroyed their passports and all other forms of ID Why ? what serious crimes have they committed elsewhere, will they re offend ?? - yet they are allowed to roam the streets as if they were citizens. This would not be tolerated in any other civilized country, yet some are being discreetly encouraged to pitch their tents outside the international protection offices by civil servants to put pressure on other government departments.

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573682#Comment_120573682

Racist. Only joking. I work with Nigerians and they are good people. The treasure Ireland thing has been around for a while I think it came from our medicine costs and the pharma Industry.

Is their any political party that isn't racist but talks sense when it comes to immigration? Or are they all afraid to be labelled racist.

I hate the slogans "Ireland isn't full" or "Ireland is full" or all refugees welcome. Such foolish talk. We can't support economic migrants claiming asylum. But the word is long out.

Bring back Michael McDowell.

Honesty Policy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570139#Comment_120570139

Of course it would! That would be 32 pupils and can stay open. By experience, I worked in a school that had 18 pupils and to me, out of any school I taught in the children got the most 1-1 attention I have ever seen. Maybe limited in other areas but pupils in classrooms of 35+ pupils, especially at the Junior classes are lost. We have one in our school and it's an utter utter disgrace and a serioud accident waiting to happen.

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573762#Comment_120573762

Young me would be so utterly disgusted at current me liking a comment wanting to bring back MMcD. I want to cry now.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573762#Comment_120573762

Bring back Michael McDowell the man who was Attorney General and ok'd the text for the good friday agreement constitution change that so many lament on boards.

Eh Ok!

Geuze

I don't agree with zero refugees, but I think we have accepted too many.

I suggest 1% of pop, so a max of 50,000.

All bogus AS to be deported within 1 week of arrival.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574018#Comment_120574018

Relevance to this thread is what exactly?

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573404#Comment_120573404

Why are they never asked this question?, is there nowhere else in the whole continent of Africa you could find safety?, why a small island on the west of Europe?

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574069#Comment_120574069

As my friend an RTE employee said to me: "you can't ask that".

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574057#Comment_120574057

The relevance is I was replying to a comment in this thread about the person named and in relation to his actions as Attorney general and the impact on refuges fleeing here in the past.

Do you know what constitutional change I am referring to in my comment, and do you not understand the relevance?