Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612100#Comment_120612100

In the past, refugees were overwhelmingly women, children, and the elderly, with the young men staying behind to fight

We are now supposed to believe that fit healthy young men, arriving en masse on their own, with no sign of women, children, or elderly, are refugees.

In the past, they would have been the army the refugees were fleeing from........

0ph0rce0

In the news there they said they talked to one of the asylum seekers in Clare. He doesn't even want to be there.

Says accommodation was better than city west but they are worried about the area being isolated. Said something to the effect that lads will just up and leave.

Leo saying locals cant decide who lives in their community, but by the sounds of it if these guys aren't happy they'll just up sticks and head back to a city hub and start again till they get what they want.

WheelieKing

The country badly needs a right wing alternative for people to vote for. We have absolutely zero balance in our political system and it's going to be the death of this country long term. Unfortunately i can't see it happening until it's too late.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611935#Comment_120611935

Thanks, I agree very much this is predominantly a housing problem.

But I don't see your solution as working.

The price of new builds and first-time buys would just increase in line with whatever tax breaks are given.

Demand is too strong and private developers are the only game in town.

We need the state to build, but it will take time to get that capacity because it's been neglected for so long.

Sadly that's the mess we're in.

Build homes not hate.

hymenelectra

When the government is going full throttle on surreptitiously bussing extra people into one horse towns because they know, 100%, that Irish people don't want it...who are the government working for, exactly?

Not in Irelands interests, clearly.

They don't have a plan for next week. What about 5 years from now?

The effects of over population are to be seen on daily basis now.

We are witnessing, in real time, the unwanted creation of a racially divided, malfunctioning, overpopulated nation that's going to bring every thing youd expect it to bring.

These governments and their sucklings, hard to credit, but here they are staring us in the face.

Long Sean Silver

like it or not folks, we are witnessing the biggest movement of peoples on this planet's history.

the usual culprits of war, famine, despotism, economic hardship are to blame. but added to those we have climatic changes ie Global warming, destruction of habitats, and traditional means of making a living, due in part to pollution, soil erosion and rising sea levels/flooding.

throw into the mix social media fuelling social/material aspirations (ie they want what we got!), exponential population growth (11 billion by 2100!), and cheap/available flights and you got one heck of a queue for the exit.

this wee country will be unrecognisable in another 10 years. in fact since i grew up in rural Ireland i would argue it already has.

there aint a darn thing you me or anybody else can do about it. as the man said "get busy living , or get busy ...."

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611933#Comment_120611933

What a load of nonsense, increase in demand for gp's has been going on long before the Ukraine war.

If we take the figures already used here of 100k refugees in the last two years and 900 patients per GP. That averages as each GP having approx 18 of their 900 patients as new refugees. And we're supposed to allow too that most of these refugees are virile young men, presumably not needing much medical attention. Sorry but the numbers don't come anywhere close to meeting your argument.

It's the likes of that what'll get you called a racist, because it's hard to see any other rationalization for such rubbish.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610582#Comment_120610582

It's hard to escape the suspicion that even if the housing crisis was solved tomorrow, this thread would still be filled with reams of reasons why refugees f**k this country up.

If there was no housing crisis, they would be talking about homelessness and how we should sort that before taking on more refugees, if homelessness was sorted it would be "sure they aren't even real refugees anyway", if it was demonstrated that the vast majority of refugees having had their cases assessed were in genuine need of international aid, it would be the next employment crisis that makes people say refugees are making that worse.

Oh yeah and then even if we stopped taking in refugees then attention would turn swiftly back to the plain old migrants. It's a never-ending roulette of finding the right narrative.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120166867#Comment_120166867

Idiotic comparison.

Vast majority go the legal route because they would be turned back immediately if not.

They don't have their hand out for a free gaff food and whatever is going.

They bring skills to their new country.

They don't setup tents in city centres in Sydney Boston or Vancouver.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611930#Comment_120611930

But our fiscal resources aren't stretched. Delivery of resources is, and will be anyway because our services are terribly run.

Like it or not 'brand' Ireland matters to the path we're on.

We're already open to plenty of criticism as a sort of leech state with our tax regime. Add not supporting Ukraine to that and I think it impacts more than we could theoretically benefit by reducing refugee numbers.

There's a reason the corporate world has become so politically correct. They know it matters to the majority of customers. We don't want to be on the wrong side of that.

I think the only way we could reduce refugee numbers, without a bigger negative impact, is by our leaders putting their hand up to the health and housing mess. Offering a credible plan to fix, and pausing international protection to some degree in the meantime. We all know that's not going to happen.

Otherwise we just have to live with it and not make matters worse with these awful protests.

Build homes not hate.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612100#Comment_120612100

I read somewhere that 90% of Ukrainian refugees are women and children.

Long Sean Silver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612186#Comment_120612186

actually i know of plenty of lads who went to London and elsewhere and ended up in squats and living rough. most never returned home to tell of their new found "success". many ended up in prisons. most of the Irish that left had no skills, unless you consider digging holes & shovelling sh1t a skill?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612186#Comment_120612186

Irish people have left in their droves even in recent years when things got tough at home. The fact we are a relatively rich educated country, have access to the UK and EU, means we were able to do it the legal way. And they don't all bring skills to new countries either. I worked abroad in many unskilled jobs in the past. If Ireland was dirt poor with no opportunities, money or education, we'd also leave in our droves one way or another. Humans are humans.

So I wouldn't blame the migrants for taking a chance at a better life, it's easy for people to look down on them but you or I might do the same if in their shoes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611956#Comment_120611956

I assume you live in neither East Wall or DL.

But don't worry I'm sure you will get your quota wherever you are at this rate

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612223#Comment_120612223

Don't live far from EW and pass through it almost daily. Yeah I believe they're opening one up the road in Santry soon, couldn't give a f**k.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612217#Comment_120612217

Yep. 50 years ago.

We have moved on somewhat.

Young people who emigrate now are highly skilled.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612109#Comment_120612109

Apologies for reacting so aggressively to your previous post.

On it's own it looked dangerously reductionist.

I see now your opinions are more measured and while I might not agree with everything, I respect them as honest and genuine.

Build homes not hate.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612245#Comment_120612245

Lol no they're not. We've loads of bar men, labourers working in London, Australia etc. Are they highly skilled or working minimum wage jobs?

I'm not highly skilled by any means and have worked abroad for years at a time.

I just moved back from London. Go to Broadway on London Fields. There are two Irish lads no older than 35 homeless living around there that beg on Broadway every day. I doubt they're highly skilled.

Long Sean Silver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612245#Comment_120612245

thankfully yes. but let's be honest we are not all the Collison Bros. we do like to be selective when reminiscing about "the Irish experience".

we were unskilled, uneducated, unwashed and disease ridden & we were despised when we first arrived in North America.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612213#Comment_120612213

This is not a thread about Ukrainans so I was not referring to Ukrainians as you already know.

Have you any statistics for those numbers for non Ukrainians?

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612213#Comment_120612213

Anyone who believes this has never been to one of the Ukrainian hotels.

Long Sean Silver

people have great sympathy for the Ukrainians. why?

• the war/invasion was not of their making
• they are white
• they are Christian
• they look like (in quite a few cases better than) us
• we have been told by Biden and the EU that we need to accept them
• we perceive them as temporary

NattyO

I see we're back to the "but the Irish emigrated" strawman argument again.

It doesn't matter if 50 million Irish went to New York, and were handed a free house, a wife, and a brand new Cadillac on arrival.

Unless the Irish government did some deal with the American government of the time that we would reciprocate with every chancer in the world then we have no obligation to open our borders to the world.

This idiotic argument is the equivalent of me opening up my house to every bum in town because my neighbour once stayed in a hotel.

hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612185#Comment_120612185

No need for suspicions about what is not happening.

Plenty of actual, factual growing problems right now to focus on.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612365#Comment_120612365

To me it matters because it goes to show that Irish people, or any people, would go to places where they think they have a better chance at life. This is why people shouldn't look down on these people who come here, as we would do the same, as has been proven in the past. Irish people aren't some special people different to the rest of the world.

Fine we can't handle any more or even the ones we have here, but blame the government and not the people coming here.

hymenelectra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612100#Comment_120612100

Landing 30 odd blokes into a one horse town has trouble written all over it.

In all seriousness, what possible chance for integration is there?

They aren't going to go anywhere else because of the housing crisis, even if they wanted to.

Like all normal people they'd be interested in relationships and girlfriends and so, I don't see how that's going to bear out.

Healthcare, facility, transport, employment, socialisation, not a jot of a plan.

Bad news.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612316#Comment_120612316

I didn't realise this thread could not include Ukrainians.

I don't have any other nationality stats for bad bad men, they wouldn't be believed anyway 😉

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612423#Comment_120612423

But will they leave the horse alone?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612397#Comment_120612397

It's been said countless times that people really aren't objecting to arrivals on an individual basis. Most understand, bogus or genuine, that if you are in a poor situation in either security or economic wise it is understandable to take steps to remedy this.

The problem is that we have a system here in Ireland that is designed in a way that makes it ripe to be taken advantage of, which it is. It's a system that comes with lots of costly social supports that ordinary taxpayers do not ordinarily get access to and when they do they are now degraded from the extra pressure.

We have economic migrants masquerading as refugees taking advantage our lax system and worst of all no plans, none, to tighten it up.

If there were 1 month turnarounds for someone's entire case, appeals and all then we wouldn't need the likes of Magowna House Hotel. Word would get out quickly that we were not a soft touch anymore.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612466#Comment_120612466

lots of people are objecting to the individuals though, just go on Twitter and you see the word "vermin" thrown around quite a lot, even some of my friends I'm in whatsapp groups with are coming out with some pretty awful language to describe these people nowadays.

It's a case of don't hate the playa hate the game for me.