Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693334#Comment_120693334

Ethnicity has zero correlation to one's faith, except for Jews, where they are mostly both Jewish religion and Jewish ethnicity. But I take your point.

I don't believe religion should have any influence over how a state runs. Neither in Ireland not anywhere else.

Which makes the answer to your question obvious. I would not like to live in a country that allows Islam to make the law. Neither would I like to live in a country that Christianity decides the law.

I did however live in a country with Islam as it's dominant faith, but not an Islamic state.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693484#Comment_120693484

Was that in the Balkans?

.Donegal.

Big changes adopted at EU

The EU has agreed radical reforms of its migration and asylum laws including charges of €20,000 (£17,200) per head for member countries that refuse to host refugees.

After almost 12 hours of intense negotiations in Luxembourg, and years of fighting, interior ministers struck a deal on Thursday on what they described as a “historical” new approach to what one politician described as an often “toxic topic”.

Maria Malmer Stenergard, who was part of the Swedish lead negotiating team, said: “I didn’t really believe I would be sitting here saying this … but we have adopted general approaches on the asylum and migration management regulation and asylum procedure regulation.”

Under a last-minute compromise, it was agreed that member states, rather than the EU as a whole, would determine what country is “safe” for migrants turned away on the grounds that they are not eligible for asylum.

Countries will be obliged to show a “connection” with the country that any migrant is transferred to, but this link can be defined by the member state, diplomats said.

This appears to give each country flexibility on whether they can return migrants to third countries that not every EU nation might agree is a safe haven.

One source said the deal was struck after Italy and several other states demanded that the so-called “connection” rule – requiring strong bonds with a third country, such as a years-long work history – was watered down.

At the weakest interpretation of the “connection” rule, a member state that wants to return a migrant to a third country may need only to demonstrate that an applicant has stayed in the country, which would enable Italy, for example, to transfer migrants to “a transition country” such as Tunisia.

Italy’s interior minister, Matteo Piantedosi, said: “Today is a day where something is beginning. We are not arriving; we are setting off.”

The political significance of Italy, which is at the frontline of the migration crisis, is underlined by the revelation that European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen and Mark Rutte – the Dutch prime minister – will join Italian PM Giorgia Meloni on a visit to Tunisia in the coming days.

Meloni, who was swept to power last year on tough rhetoric about migrants, hopes to strike a partnership deal with the government to take migrants.

A new system allowing for a redistribution of migrants across the EU will also be put in place, with an effective quota on how many people frontline states have to process before asking for help.

Charges, which Poland branded “fines”, for those countries who cannot take a share of relocated migrants were set at €20,000 per head, down from the €22,000 first mooted at the opening of Thursday’s negotiations.

Bulgaria, Lithuania, Malta and Slovakia abstained from voting for the deal, while Hungary and Poland indicated that they would not support it.

Germany, Ireland, Luxembourg and Portugal said they would continue to campaign for changes in the full legislation to exclude children and unaccompanied minors from the new rules.

Nancy Faeser, Germany’s home minister, said: “This was not an easy decision for all of us around the table, but it was historic.”

The Dutch government hailed it as an “important step”, while the Austrians said it was “a step forward”, but urged counterparts to continue the effort to stamp out the tragedy in the Mediterranean. More than 2,000 people suffocated or drowned attempting crossings last year.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693006#Comment_120693006

Come hell or high water.

Snake Plisken

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120693951#Comment_120693951

Good news!

Looking forward to Spanish elections next month hoping that PP & Vox end up in Government after the disaster of the socialists PSOE & far left Podemos.

Montage of Feck

The media sentement has changed on the topic. Pat Kenny had the audacity to actually question our current position this morning.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120694107#Comment_120694107

Pat was an establishment lackey re_ Covid but had redeemed himself a bit through the immigration issue, he has the intellect and stature to fend off those who aim to silence

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120694131#Comment_120694131

He has actually been quite right wing on the whole immigration / refugee issue. He keeps putting forward talking points in interviews you would expect to hear from the Conservative Party or the Daily Telegraph....a bit of a surprise, given his previous media image as a 'progressive liberal'.

Montage of Feck

Doing his job asking actual questions shouldn't be an exception.

mykrodot

Pat Kenny has been very vocal of late, not just this morning, raising worries and concerns people have, he is the only dissenting voice in mainstream media. As someone said he has the intellect and intelligence and can see where this is going for all of us. He asks questions we are all asking, but he gets listened to and nobody dares call him Right Wing!

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120695728#Comment_120695728

That’s good to hear ( that we have at least one broadcaster who isn’t an approved talking point parroting progressive)

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120695750#Comment_120695750

I don't think he's playing devil's advocate here. He seems to have moved towards a conservative / right wing mindset when it comes to immigration and refugees (he's perfectly entitled to take whatever view he likes of course....Newstalk are an independent radio station).

acequion

I'm delighted to hear that there is one high profile broadcaster asking intelligent questions and representing people's legitimate fears. Was never mad about Kenny or his cushy Media prototypes, but I agree re his intelligence and intellect and glad that he's using it.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120695934#Comment_120695934

Oh ffs. Definitely from reading this thread on here. There boyos with skin in the game of all this. Constantly posting positives on illegal immigration without question. Very weird indeed.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696718#Comment_120696718

It's weird that you expect everyone to agree with you on immigration and accuse anyone who doesn't as having an agenda. People are allowed have opinions.

Mr. teddywinkles

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200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696856#Comment_120696856

Unless the likes of France get forced to take in their share per capita I cant see anything changing. And I really think they will just say 90% of places are safe.

marno21

Given

bsloepro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120696732#Comment_120696732

Flip side is people being called right wing if they question the immigration policy. You yourself came out previously and said Gript were a right wing media outlet. I asked you for examples - got no reply. Someone else came back and said if I couldn’t see it I must be right wing myself.

With Pat Kenny - reason he is probably not scared to ask the right questions is he’s not in fear of his future. IMHO opinion the government are too scared to push back against EU policy because they have European Parliament jobs in their sights for the future and don’t want to jeopardise that. Mainstream media don’t want to ask the tough questions of the politicians for fear they won’t get the interviews in the future and will jeopardise their own careers. You get the likes of Shane Coleman on Newstalk who has no problem playing devils advocate regarding topics but gets politicians on them and gives then an easy ride.

TLDR - everyone has a right to an opinion until they disagree with yours and then they are “right wing”

Cordell

There is nothing wrong with being right wing. People should embrace their right wing values instead of being ashamed or feeling insulted by being called right wing.

creeper1

Ireland needs to exercise that right to opt out pronto. I'm reading that Ireland has to pay a 1.5 million fine for not housing 350 migrants.

Just opt out for Pete's sake and save both money and trouble!

Are Irish politicians not there to represent Irish interests?

Maybe they don't have anything between theirs freaking ears?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697314#Comment_120697314

It's not a fine, I believe that instead of taking the people they pay the money instead.

It's all of the government's own doing.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692922#Comment_120692922

Those figs (dunno where they came from) are somewhat meaningless if trying to prove the majority of AS's are genuine. They span 4 years (2 of which the country was in Covid mayhem) with at certain points, next to zero incoming flights. It also fails to take into account the O'Gorman multi lingual international invitation to come to Ireland for the greatest party ever held, which really only took hold in the last 12 months and we have yet to see the full carnage of that unfold, as it undoubtedly will

I note your obligatory and unnecessary mention of the bogeymanperson 'Far right'

The Irish refugee council's figs I posted, make it 35% genuine AS cases (2022) and you'd think they'd know because it's how they make their living after all. Whereas your statement of fact that "Official statistics suggest that the majority of people claiming asylum in the UK and Ireland are genuine refugees," was simply wrong and misleading, not to mention your first clumsy attempt to back that up by showing UK home office figs for the UK (duly thanked by posters that thought it was a fine answer...to show UK figs on UK immigration in a discussion about Ireland's immigration)

However, I will concede that it is nigh on impossible to gauge accurate figs because there's no breakdown of the very vague Permission to Remain category - When a chancer from Albania/other is refused asylum and their govt refuses to take them back they don't show up as a refusal as they can't be turfed off the island...they pop off into some magical limbo land called 'Permission to Remain'

So, going by your s/sheet, you happily say the PTR figs are proof of acceptance of their claim, where I say 'feckin chancers who's Govt won't take them back'

Almost 2,800 in 2022 were not given refugee status, not given sub protection (in danger) but given PTR - It's a scam and there's where the scam is happening - the PTR figs. Thanks Strazdas for highlighting this, albeit unintentionally

(2019) - 421 (2020) - 311 (2021) 1140 (2022) - 2789 going by your figs of PTR. It seems to be going one direction and very quickly

Re Pat Kenny turning right wing! Fookin hell... That gives me an idea of just how far down the left wing shaft some people have fallen - it's akin to mildly religious people being radicalised online imo

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697388#Comment_120697388

Permission to Remain, AKA “Sure feck it, just let them stay. Too difficult to get rid of them otherwise and we don’t need the hassle”.

sonar44

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697314#Comment_120697314

The fine is a pittance. Would barely pay the bill for a single family of asylum seekers running up years in DD exhausting multiple staggered claims and appeals.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120691826#Comment_120691826

So what are you doing to help them ?

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120692922#Comment_120692922

Permission to remain is not refugee status and is based on the length of time here after appeals !! They are not classed as '' genuine refugees '' .

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120695728#Comment_120695728

Questioning how we can cope with unlimited numbers arriving in Ireland looking for accommodation now means you are right wing, so now Pat Kenny is a right winger.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697965#Comment_120697965

I wouldn't say 'far right' in the case of Kenny, but he seems further to the right on this refugee issue than most Irish political parties or media commentators.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697994#Comment_120697994

99% of media commentators are fully behind this 'no limits' farce, even with 76% polled saying we've too many. Rte and the Irish times, Irish independent haven't a single dissenting voice between them, far from it - they are cheerleading it.

I hope the lot of them go down with the sinking ship - as it's beyond doubt now that no one's buying this no limits crap.