Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044636#Comment_121044636

Okay you’re still completely ignoring what I said.

The upside of not having any accommodation and people continuing to arrive is that they will end up sleeping on the streets. In winter. That’s no help to anyone.

We should just say sorry we can’t take anymore, we’ve nowhere to put them.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044620#Comment_121044620

That is true.

If you’re one of these high on their own farts types, the type of person that would film themselves giving a homeless person a 5er to post on social media, yeah I can see why you’d like to see our current policies continued.

Sure who cares if they’ll end up on the streets, it’s grand, can still get that warm fuzzy feeling of perceived moral superiority - the reality for the people out there arriving with nowhere to go, that doesn’t matter

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044700#Comment_121044700

Yes, if there were loads of available housing going cheap, there would not be the same feeling of moral superiority for them. They feed off the misfortune of local people trying to find accommodation. The current situation has never been better for them.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044714#Comment_121044714

Where are you and the other fella going with this complete and utter drivel ??

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044795#Comment_121044795

What do you think of Belgium’s new policy?

Would you prefer to see the singles lads sleeping rough in the winter here or?

There is no accommodation left. Saying we can continue as we have is total head in the sand stuff and I refuse to believe you don’t realise that too.

grumpyperson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044636#Comment_121044636

Asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees are being put up in hotels. Homeless families needing emergency accommodation get put in hotels too, at least our friends did.

I wish your lies were true.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/177-homeless-families-living-in-hotels-in-dublin-1332969.html

That was last July, it doesn't seem to get talked about anymore.

Just drop the misinformation, it's not helping and it's just just gaslighting.

greenpilot

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Bobtheman

The government has slowed down the asylum population but is not making publicity about it incase the far right see it as a victory.

It would be good if the government gave some indication of reform of the immigration system overall. We now have one of the highest percentages of non nationals in the EU

Nothing wrong with that so long as we work towards integration.

Furthermore we need to keep our age demographics low as we are living longer

Personally I think a lot of anti asylum seeker anger is misdirected anger over the housing crisis

TedBundysDriver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044680#Comment_121044680

Why should we be saying sorry? It's our own country. Just tell them we aren't taking anymore end of story.

Freneys Treasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044591#Comment_121044591

Where was it claimed that "500 Roma families" moved into the town?

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.irishtimes.com/property/commercial-property/2023/08/30/hatch-hall-to-house-refugees-again-following-sale-for-23m/

Former UCD residence halls and now 5 star boutique hotel bought for 23 million will be used to house refugees - obviously a lot more money in it than actually operating as a hotel.

Another boon for our tourism sector

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044591#Comment_121044591

Normally I wouldn't bother and had to take you off ignore to read this, but your response was pretty much as expected - bluster and indignant which is a bit much when the poster completely dismantled your previous post which frankly, was a bit desperate if you had to resort to trawling through their post history to make whatever "point" you were trying to score and refer to them as "Walter Mitty".

Such juvenile behaviour adds nothing (nor does your first line here for that matter which is just childish), but fair play to greenpilot for indulging you and correcting your assertions in so comprehensive a manner.

As for the last line, I believe that probably suggests that if it's good enough for you to engage in such behaviour, someone else may do the same to you. Don't worry - it won't be me.. I have better things to be doing than playing "guess the poster/rereg", and besides your posts here certainly do enough to undermine whatever point you may be trying to make.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045780#Comment_121045780

The poster felt the need to come on and write a life story, that's his issue. There is no need to tell anyone about your life, just post actual facts, which he didnt.

He did nothing at all to back up the one (anecdotal) fact he stated in his post. The rest of his post meant nothing. Just rising fear and anger.

Oh, and anyone can trawl through my posts if they like, presume that's the point of having the function.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121044636#Comment_121044636

The funding comes from the same Government its how the money for these supports is allocated . Less asylum seekers or Ukrainians equals more money allocated to Irish citizens .

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121046323#Comment_121046323

I haven't seen many facts in your posts to be honest - just attacks on others, unsubstantiated hearsay, and dismissal of anything that doesn't fit with your view on this.

However, the reality is that the "fear and anger" you refer to is nothing of the sort but is instead completely justifiable concern and frustration over measures being taken and negative impacts occurring as a result in communities whose questions and concerns are being flatly ignored by those who are imposing it on them.

You and others like you would have us believe that we live in a backwards insular society, fearful of change or foreigners - when again the reality is anything but as even a cursory look at our history and societal changes over the last 40 years will prove. Ireland has changed massively in that time - mostly for the better - and become an international hub for employment and investment whose people have gladly thrown off the legacy of Catholic oppression and embraced all that has brought with it.

Now yes, the last bit may be a little flamboyant but true nonetheless. Our country has transformed from a poor, agricultural backwater on the edge of Europe, where most of our young had to emigrate for work and prospects (but not handouts I must add!), to where we have welcomed many tens of thousands of migrants who are living and working here for years and decades, and in the course of that have become an attractive destination for many.

But we can never lose sight of the fact that for all our progress, we still have a lot of fundamental structural issues within our country too - healthcare, housing, the rural/urban divide, costs of living, abysmal mental health services or services for those in most need etc etc etc. In other words, our resources are not infinite and we can only do so much because all things have limits. Limits which have been hit and blown through by the current Government and NGOs when it comes to immigration - whether it be refugees, economic migrants who aren't arriving with a job/accommodation already lined up, or any others who arrive at our door.

Virtue signalling, misplaced white or first-world guilt, some sort of unwarranted sense of responsibility or culpability, contrarianism, or whatever other reason(s) that may be behind it will not change that reality.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121047193#Comment_121047193

I don't believe we live in a backwards society, and I don't know why you would think that. I agree with everything you posted btw

except for your last paragraph that has nothing to do with me. I merely believe in the law, human rights and treating people with dignity and respect. We have issues with our services, however that's at the door of the government and it is up to them to sort them out. If we the people are not happy with what they are doing, then we need to do something about it. Change government, change policies, protest and make it known if there are issues. Look at what the pensioners did a few years ago when they were going to lose their medical cards? People can make a difference, if they want policies changed.

This thread however is just an excuse for foreigner bashing, and really mostly asylum seekers and refugees. There are a few posters who have some good well thought out ideas. Posters coming on staying that people are afraid to walk down their streets because foreigners are on them? stop🙄

I don't see people out protesting at government's door about services or lack of them, the only protests I see are outside old buildings where asylum seekers are being housed. What's the explanation for that?

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121047381#Comment_121047381

Jesus it feels like we’re stuck in a rotating door on a roundabout on a waltzer here, you’re just repeating the same points over and over again despite the fact numerous people have addressed them numerous times.

YES the problems with our services are the responsibility of our government NOBODY is denying that or blaming refugees as the root cause of these issues. HOWEVER, adding tens of thousands of people to our already overburdened service systems only makes things worse for everybody, I don’t see how you can possibly deny that.

Trying to dismiss this thread as just “foreigner bashing” is a weak, disingenuous argument, even for you. I can say with a good degree of certainty that the vast majority of people in this thread (and in the country) have absolutely no problem with foreign people or them immigrating to Ireland. I am delighted to see skilled and educated people come to our country happy to work and make it all a more vibrant place. If someone has nothing to offer though and wants to just turn up and avail of one of those free houses they’ve heard about I’m not interested - it doesn’t matter where they’re from. Likewise I can’t just pitch up in Canada or New Zealand or Japan and expect all and sundry. I’d be sent packing and that’s fair enough. We need to get our own shop in order before we try to fix the world.

Finally your conflating of the racist fringe loons protesting outside AS accommodation with the rest of the population is once again disingenuous at best. Numerous public polls have shown the majority of the Irish public are in agreement we are taking too many in beyond our capacity. The reason they aren’t publicly protesting this at government is because of people like you that try to muddy the waters and imply their rather moderate and reasonable views are actually racist and fascist hatred. Nobody wants to be labelled unfairly. Public discourse on the topic has been poisoned hence you only get the shameless loudmouths at either end shouting while the vast bulk have to silently look on.

Beasty

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pinky pie

Also it seems they are allowed to do that at only 19000 but we have as of 2022 81,256.00, a 748.98% increase from 2021. Ireland refugee statistics for 2021 was 9,571.00, a 5.93% increase from 2020 go figure 🤔

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049168#Comment_121049168

Yeah imagine that. A big increase because of Ukraine 😶

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121045609#Comment_121045609

Somebody please tell me this is a wind up.

And to think this is the same government that won't fully compensate those affected by Mica.

Absolutely sickening.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0901/1402835-ukraine-ireland/

Well this is going great, tents camps of up to 5000 people coming into the winter.

All because some people are too high on their own sense of moral superiority to admit that we have reached and indeed surpassed the limits of our capacity.

I don’t think there would be any shame whatsoever in us stating we can no longer accept any more due to these capacity issues. We’ve already done a huge amount, a good deal more than many other larger EU countries, and that’s something to be proud of. But ultimately there’s no value in offering help that you are in no position to actually provide - it ends poorly for everyone in that scenario.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056044#Comment_121056044

There was a woman on the News at One who deals who coordinates the response to Ukrainian refugees arriving and she reckons government inaction is the problem, not the numbers who are coming here. She says there is a total lack of urgency in dealing with the issue and this has been present since February 2022 - the government very slow to make decisions or to take concrete action.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056146#Comment_121056146

How the hell can the numbers have no bearing on anything?

There are still 650 arriving a week, all of whom need places found for them. Are you genuinely trying to say if they were to stop arriving that wouldn’t ease the government’s difficulty in putting everyone up?

Surely even you can realise how ridiculous that sounds

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056455#Comment_121056455

The government have had 18 months to deal with this refugee crisis. They can hardly claim that 650 people arriving a week in September 2023 is the tipping point (and besides 17% of Ukrainian refugees have already returned to Ukraine).

There is definitely a big accommodation crisis for refugees going on, but I'm not sure how helpful it is to blame the people involved - the woman who was interviewed suggests that people arriving now are quite possible to be more 'genuine' refugees than even the ones who came in the first few weeks (as they have tried to tough it out in Ukraine for the last 18 months, but are finding things too difficult now).

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056656#Comment_121056656

If you read the article, you’ll see it’s 650 per week arriving, not per month.

Genuinely what do you expect them to do to magic up accommodation for nearly 3000 people every month on month?

Can we just be realistic please

grumpyperson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056656#Comment_121056656

Still says 92k in Ireland

https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine

Numbers don't seem to be dropping in Ireland or am I reading that wrong?

_Puma_

It's becoming abundantly clear by the utterences from Pascal and McGrath about our non existent "International Obligations" regarding the flood of migrants into this country that the commission could be in a sense holding this government over a barrel.

The fact its always the money men coming out with these soundbites in the increasingly laughable press conferences they hold with the Irish establishment media is significant.

Pascal and his ilk have made this country an anomaly in the economic sense. The perveyors of leprechaun economics as its so lovingly coined in European economic circles.

Is it the case that the commission has said to the Leprechauns "You can keep your gold for the time being but your taking in migrants to solve our crisis".

The services and societal structures of this country are crumbling with this flood of migration but this goverment gets to hoard it's Ill gotten gains.

While in the real Ireland economy we are now deep in recession and inflation and cost of living are spiralling out of control. Sociteal norms and crime we are accostomed to are breaking down.

To answer the OP I'd go as far as saying its time for a complete reset of our Economic policy and political establishment to serve it's citizens.

Fix that and the health, housing, cost of living, migrant crisises all fall into place....eventually. The only real question now is is it too late.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121056044#Comment_121056044

All those folks at Electric Picnic this weekend will be moved on sharpish when it's over by the looks of it

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41217607.html

750 Ukrainians wandering around Stradbally - roughly 50% again of the existing population per this link:

https://www.citypopulation.de/en/ireland/towns/laois/08162__stradbally/

What could possibly go wrong?!

Beasty

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