Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121280773#Comment_121280773

Could you list them here or even PM me some general points, see if we’re on the same wavelength.

Great idea.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121280087#Comment_121280087

No that was more muddying of the waters by Martin - the temporary protection directive does not give them the right to access homeless and housing services.

As O’Gorman is quoted as saying in that same article, they will end up on the streets under the current system regardless. https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/10/25/ireland-one-of-last-countries-not-to-change-refugee-accommodation-offer-ministers-told/

There is no more accommodation left. No more means zero, nothing. You’ve can’t continue to add inputs to a system with no remaining capacity. The sooner that reality can get through to Martin and the other virtue signallers thick skulls the better. They have no interest in the actual practical realities of the situation. Only in showing how apparently morally superior they are, while sitting pretty, unaffected by the continuation of any of this.

Jinglejangle69

The knives are out now.

Coming home to roost for all these idiots implanting disastrous policies over the last few years.

All scurrying like rats trying to blame anyone but themselves.

Gamergurll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121280773#Comment_121280773

My problem with this is that it gives them a opt out, they just walk away and forget about it, same as the letters we mailed into our local TD and got a generic reply. Pull them at the door and they are stuck, less time to think about answers also

hamburgham

If it has finally got through to O’Gorman, aka the biggest drip in the country, can you imagine how bad the situation really is. How many chancers have taken us for the total muppets we are. Even heard a Ukrainian lady on Newstalk this morning saying that Ukrainian themselves are starting to express annoyance about the free loaders.

Butson

Kids waiting years for Autism assessments, unlimited money (well, €4 billion actually) for Ukranians.

Some country.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121281283#Comment_121281283

Turfing Ukrainian people out onto the street after 90 days won't solve the problem though. If they are in Ireland and need accommodation, then they are in Ireland and need accommodation. One can imagine this is what all the arguments in cabinet are about (and there are clearly no easy solutions at all).

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121280542#Comment_121280542

The reason they come without passports some state they are citizens of counties that dont accept back migrants and give fake names

Icsics

It’s time to get some sort of handle on the Ukrainian situation, benefits need to be brought in line with the rest of EU & accommodation limited. My father can’t get home help he requires due to the freeze & yet there’s 4 billion for refugees. Time to get real now

ShamNNspace

Border control for slow learners in this clown government

highpressisbest

I think ultimately these mass movements of people will lead to the erosion of the welfare state. It’s natural for people to come to the country with the best offering. We’d all do it. I think this has highlighted the relative generosity of our non-contributory welfare system. And, no, I don’t think people supporting themselves here could live on less. But our welfare system is attractive to people from countries with a much lower standard of living. In the same way that our relatively high minimum wage is also.

malinheader

The Ukranian accommodation free for all was a massive windfall for alot of Arthur Daly types in this country.

Not one bit of it was about charity, it was all about how many you could squeeze into a property and alot of the properties were not fit for purpose before the war in Ukraine.

SEPT 23 1989

It’s all too late for them

They ignored the will of the majority of their own people in this country and will pay the price at the elections and will never be forgiven

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282616#Comment_121282616

Only sad thing about this is the crowd who are looking for a chance to take over from them have shown their true colours on alot of issues regarding this and imo they will be no different.

hamburgham

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282262#Comment_121282262

It might make Ireland a less attractive destination.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282196#Comment_121282196

That was an interesting interview. She admitted there were Ukranians coming here from other EU countries because of the greater benefits here. Also there were many Ukrainians coming here from safe areas in Ukraine who didn't need refuge and who should go back.

baldbear

I am part of a Ukrainian FB group pointing people towards accommodation.

It's very noticeable the resentment some Ukrainians are having towards others on the group. They are calling people out for coming from completely safe areas in Ukraine tohere.

The ARP program is such a huge incentive. You get free accommodation AND don't have to pay rent as the government pay the landlord for you. Welfare rates should not be the same for people coming here who don't work. The country is creaking. We are such a soft touch.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282959#Comment_121282959

Alot of people have been saying this since this started. In all honesty it didn't take a rocket scientist to work out what was going to happen.

Sure if I was offered free accommodation and 3 or 4 times my usual social welfare payment plus child benefit plus travel plus alot more generous perks, I'd go for it myself.

zell12

Taoiseach tells the country that Ireland is pulling refugees from other countries due to our generous welfare system

Ireland has a better offering for Ukrainian refugees than many other European countries which has caused onward movement to this country from other states of refuge.

“We have a better offering in Ireland than would be the case in Northern Ireland, or Britain, or France - or in other countries that are not too far from us,” Mr Varadkar said. There are now a lot of “secondary movements” to Ireland from other European countries whereby Ukrainian refugees were previously given succour

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irelands-better-conditions-causing-secondary-movement-here-by-ukrainian-refugees-says-taoiseach/a440256918.html

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282616#Comment_121282616

How do you know what the will of the majority of the people is? The only alternative government would have to include Sinn Fein, whose policies on immigration/refugees aren’t that different from the current lot’s. It doesn’t matter how much you whinge about it on boards.ie, not a lot is going to change.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283063#Comment_121283063

Sorry but the Taoiseach should of told the country that "Ireland has the best offering for Ukrainian refugees than ANY other country in the EU. And that is fact.

Multipass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283063#Comment_121283063

He’s such a snake, he and his lot have been calling people ‘far right’ for telling this to them years ago.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282196#Comment_121282196

It's not what you think, O'Gorman is trying to pull a fast one, by passing the buck to Darragh O'Brien's Department of Housing after 90 days. O'Brien and FF are pushing back on this hence the performative row that we're hearing about today. All they're concerned about is who gets the blame for this come election time instead of fixing, or even attempting to fix, the problem.

Look at Darragh O'Brien's reaction to flyers saying he welcomed asylum seekers into Malahide a few months ago. All they are worried about is their own seats.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283106#Comment_121283106

No surprise we’re still getting 600 Ukrainians a week, why would they go anywhere else when we’re offering the best deal in Europe . All you food and accommodation supplied plus 220 a week per adult , free health care and child benefit.

Listening to that Ukrainian woman on Newstalk this morning you could feel her annoyance at those coming from safe areas and going back on holidays from Ireland to their old cities.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283462#Comment_121283462

The holidays was well highlighted by many and no surprises when met with racist right wing replies.

Time to sit back and watch the sh#@ show unfold.

A blind man could of seen this coming.

glen123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121283462#Comment_121283462

This Ukrainian lady only forgot to explain why exactly she herself didn't stay in the West of Ukraine, like many others from Mariupol did, but instead she traveled on as far as Ireland, having crossed at least one safe European country. Also who is she exactly to be deciding what's deemed safe in Ukraine and what's not? Was nobody killed in Lviv to date? What about explosions in Khmelnytskiy near nuclear power plant today? That's Western Ukraine. People were even killed in Poland, let alone Ukraine.

All she did today was showed total lack of unity amongst Ukrainian refugees (and most likely not just refugees) from various parts of the country. She obviously isn't smart enough to understand that whatever changes all this is going to bring, she'll be on the receiving end of it herself but sure jealousy makes people do all kinds of stupid things.

As for Ukrainians coming here, having stayed in other EU countries - well, this is officially allowed which is why they do it. You cancel your temporary protection in one country and go to another one and apply there again. If we want to see people stop doing it, we need to change the rules and cut the level of benefits being paid.

As far as I know, Ireland is the only country that pays the full social welfare support to Ukrainians. I am actually surprised only 100k ended up here (we should probably be grateful not many know about Ireland and those that know, are familiar with the climate :))

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121282262#Comment_121282262

There is no accommodation

Really can’t put it any simpler than that

Penny is even beginning to drop with the absolute simpletons in govt who were warned of this a year ago