Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218618#Comment_120218618

What exactly do you think you are contributing to the thread by making up something nobody said.

Why would you waste your time making up lies?

optogirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218651#Comment_120218651

It was simply a tongue in cheek nod to the kind of hyperbole that goes on about refugees. You surely knew that though? You can ignore or you can double down on the perceived time wasting by snapping back.

Backstreet Moyes

It was a lie that adds nothing to the discussion.

Someone might read that and believe posters have said that.

It's important to point out when someone is posting lies and misinformation.

The people in favour of illegal immigration are very vocal about misinformation being bad.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218268#Comment_120218268

The two posters I was replying to clearly show what happens when you bring it up. When presented with what has happened from a source they can't discredit they completely ignore it or try to downplay it - instead of accepting it was a disaster that we shouldn't be trying to replicate. I assume they just refuse to read it, or maybe gang wars and 'Vulnerable' high violence areas are some of the benefits we have to look forward to?

optogirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218749#Comment_120218749

I haven't seen anyone say they are in favour of illegal immigration. You could call that part of your post a lie if you were to be nasty. What some people are not in favour of is painting all refugees as deviants intent on scamming and raping. Of course immigration is not being handled correctly but that is the fault of the government. The sight of a gang of yahoos chanting 'get them out' outside a hotel is sickening to me and the bullshit I hear about refugees being handed a cushy life was all I was slagging in the post. I didn't say anyone on the thread said refugees were handed cars but I have heard this spouted in real life. Perhaps my narkiness should have been kept to myself but calling me a liar spreading misinformation is a bit of a stretch.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218770#Comment_120218770

Several posters here refuse to criticise any crimes by illegals and say we have criminals here already.

Those posters are in favour of illegal immigrants.

I have yet to see a poster say all refugees are scammers and rapists.

I have seen people point out they come from countries with backwards views towards women and for illegals who destroy documents could be fleeing a crime elsewhere.

Those are facts that people who are in favour of immigration don't like to hear.

If you can quote posters saying what you said fair enough but I haven't seen any.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218618#Comment_120218618

This isn't what I said. It's dangerous to spread fear.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218770#Comment_120218770

Yahoos?

Divisive language.

Mullaghteelin

Our media has failed not only in airing anti-immigration views, but also of properly exploring the viewpoints of those on the pro-immigration side. In recent days we have seen some on the far left and NGO spokespeople condemning the deportation of a small number so far this year.

They are opposed to any and all deportations, and by implication refuse to discriminate between genuine asylum seekers, and downright opportunists. When you properly follow through this mentality to its logical conclusion, then anyone who wants to come here is welcome. No exceptions.

It is also apparent they view the local Irish, even in disadvantaged areas, as somehow privileged compared to migrants, so are therefore less deserving of sympathy or taxpayer's money than the newcomers.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218618#Comment_120218618

Do you think having 180k refugees by year end (government estimate) is sustainable?

I cannot accept they'll eat the swans as a response! Ta in advance

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218329#Comment_120218329

Why build for them here when the money goes a lot further in their own country?

Anyway it is not just building infrastrucutre for them that will cost, it is lifetime cost of providing state services and social welfare for a good chunk of them.

They offer us nothing but expense and social problems as can be see throughout Europe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218272#Comment_120218272

Stop conflating immigration with the farce that is going on with so called refugees and asylum seekers

Or how they are now described as "those seeking internaitonal protection".

What a fooking mouthful to describe for the most part a fooking chancer..

This open borders mullarkey is not the only thing people are concerned about, it leads into lack of services, lack of school places, increased accommodation costs due to increased demand, loss of jobs in tourism which is now coming down the road very quickly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217963#Comment_120217963

You are deluded if you believe the media are representative of the views of the majority of Irish people.

The Peter Casey presidential election was a pointer to that and it has only gotten worse since then.

Young people, as in those in mid to late 20s and early 30s, are concerned that they can't rent a place to live never mind buy one.

Then they watch thousands of so called "refugees" and "immigrants" arrive, being accommodated and being told they will be housed in the future.

It is cr** like that makes people quite quickly become less liberal and more conservative in their thinking.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217218#Comment_120217218

What do you expect from a party led by that eejit from Trinity.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218749#Comment_120218749

It's important to point out when someone is posting lies and misinformation.

The taliban are obviously sending believers to Europe to carry out terrorist attacks.

I completely agree. 👍️

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217879#Comment_120217879

Not really what I'm referring to. I'm more referring to the modern cookie cutter liberalism that is pervasive across media today - there is no diversity of opinion particularly on social issues even on the left, nevermind the almost non existent right.

One person posted here that the reason for this is because a right doesn't exist here. That's obviously and demonstrably not true: Almost 4 in 10 voter's rejected marriage equality for example.

To return to my point, the reason that the media is the way it is is because over time one opinion has risen to the top of the ranks and has reinforced that. Anne Harris was once the editor of the independent, imagine having a right leaning opinion as a junior member of staff writing under her - given the drivel she published in the IT this week?

Hungry Burger

Even when the government came out and said there was going to be no cap on Ukrainian refugees I thought it was a bit mental. At the end of the day we are only a small country and thought should have been put into how much we could realistically take while ensuring services weren’t being impacted on for the locals, but I guess that would have made too much sense for the government.

This government is entirely ideologically driven with not a second thought given on practicality’s, even as I type this post big Roddy O’G is on the radio saying people are being “taken advantage of” by the Far Right. Absolute condescending rubbish, at least the narrative seems to be shifting from just labelling everyone against the unlimited influx as “Far Right” Do they really think they can pull the wool over people’s eyes with this nonsense?

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219006#Comment_120219006

Those particular NGO,s are nothing more than people smugglers with a respectable PR department

Graces7

Would a zero refugee policy work both ways though?

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219581#Comment_120219581

What do you mean by this.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219585#Comment_120219585

Presumably that means we can't expect countries like Georgia and Albania to take Irish citizens that seek refuge in those countries.

I don't think many would have issue with that tbh.

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219618#Comment_120219618

That’s what I thought they meant as well which is frankly a ridiculous notion. Not many Irish refugees banging about 😂

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219626#Comment_120219626

First of all, I don’t know why they automatically call them refugees. Secondly, I haven’t looked into whether these are people who instantly claim asylum upon arrival or whether they have been caught overstaying their visas.

2021 figures - The only 3 countries in the world that citizens of Ireland have claimed asylum in are - Australia, Canada & US of A.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219700#Comment_120219700

Wonder how many of them are "new Irish" citizens, can't imagine an Irish born person claiming asylum abroad?

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219923#Comment_120219923

Persons involved in gangland feuds springs to my mind first.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219984#Comment_120219984

Any documentation of this? It sounds odd to be honest. Gangsters aren't exactly law abiding types, and are more likely to just land in whatever country they chose and stay on illegally.

US3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219923#Comment_120219923

There's thousands of "undocumented" illegal Irish in those 3 countries. Maybe when they get caught the best chance of staying is claiming asylum if they have kids ect there

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220086#Comment_120220086

It’s just a guess on my part. I think I asked the same question years back - if you get one of those knocks on the door from the Gardai saying there’s a threat to your life, can you claim asylum in another country based on it? Dunno if I got an answer

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219585#Comment_120219585

For example: The Irish Diaspora.

'Asylum for me not thee'

Will Ireland reap what it sows, in the near future or the far future, for a zero refugee plan? And hasn't it already reaped the benefit of nonzero refugee plans all over the world?

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220278#Comment_120220278

Back to this aul chestnut again. What number are we on the Refugees Welcome bingo?

Putting aside the fact that the current situation of chancers from the likes of Albania, Georgia, Zimbabwe, South Africa etc destroying their documents on arrival is nothing like the Irish who went to America, Britain and the like during the famine, the ancestors of the Irish people here today are the ones that stayed and built the country instead of running away.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220278#Comment_120220278

The Irish diaspora were not refugees. They were economic migrants.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220501#Comment_120220501

50,000+ Irish in america, undocumented as well. Round them up? Deport them?

How many in Ireland from these places?

batman_oh

It's been a few days since the last Irish people emigrated too post. That'll definitely show us that piling refugees into underpriveleged areas with no housing or anything is the way to go. Tent villages for all!