Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516897#Comment_121516897

It's the economic migrants that arrive here for the benefits and welfare, also the fraudulent migrants who are here for greed not need and sadly a few here for worse . I totally whole heartedly welcome any migrants coming here looking to work and add to society but through the failings and totally disregard for its own citizens this government has just let it become a free for all.

Ukrainians are for the most part fleeing a war,but we're now seeing alot moving here from other safe countries. And going home for holidays for a good majority means alot of questions must be asked.

If we had a proper immigration controls and proper deportation for anyone who is found to be illegal I think people would have different views.

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516496#Comment_121516496

The State opposes the damages claims as, it argues, its failure to provide the accommodation arose from extraordinary circumstances stemming from the huge influx of refugees fleeing the war in Ukraine and the unexpectedly large increase in the number of other international protection applicants arriving here in the same period.

So the states defence is above, which on the face of it looks okay, except - "...and the unexpectedly large increase in the number of other international protection applicants arriving here in the same period"

"M'Lud,

I ask that you take into consideration the fact that the Irish government invited 100's of millions of people, in multiple languages, to come to their country in February 2021 - therefore, their claim that there was an 'unexpectedly large increase' in arrivals is redundant"

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516951#Comment_121516951

I doubt they are irrelevant factors. C'mon now, be honest. There is a bit of racism in us all. Let's not talk shiite like the politicians. The spectrum is a wide one all the same. I am pretty low on the old racism spectrum myself but I am trying my best. More practise needed I guess.

If 70 Ukrainian women and children were moving into that Galway hotel, would it have created so much anger?

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516897#Comment_121516897

Both. Genuine people from Ukraine ok, but vast swathes of it is safe, as seen by many returning home for Xmas, and those who’ve arrived here from other EU countries after hearing about the benefits, should be sent back or not allowed re-entry.

Ireland needs to get serious about immigration. Follow other EU states and make everyone who enters register in the locality they’re staying. You move, you register with the new local authority. Get caught without registering? Next plane home. And set up a system so we know who leaves. The fact that they can’t tell us who, or how many, people given deportation orders have actually left is an absolute farce.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516907#Comment_121516907

Ok I will buy that. Doesn't the number of Ukrainians far outnumber the IP applicants?

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517010#Comment_121517010

If 70 Ukrainian men (not children or oap’s) were put into the hotel would be a like for like comparison

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517025#Comment_121517025

Yeah fair point.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516961#Comment_121516961

Of course deportations should actually happen. The process is absolutely broken. There is a culture of no accountability in Ireland. Decades of the "civil war politics" power swap facade reinforced that. Get the Americans over to teach us how it's done.

airy fairy

Any Ukrainian coming here now isn't fleeing from the war. Those who arrived here during the first 6/8 months from the beginning of the war were genuine. After that it's been an economic decision by them.

Would you really wait 18 months or 2 years to decide to move from a warzone? I know what the answer would be if it were my family in danger....and I most certainly wouldn't be going back for a Christmas visit.

We're being made fools of. And no doubt numbers of entrants from Ukraine into Ireland after Christmas will rise. People will be bringing more family and friends back here, before the change in social welfare payments come about.

airy fairy

Double post

Jinglejangle69

Hospitals are experiencing their worst trolley record numbers this month.

Hospitals are stuffed to the brim. Sure lets just keep increasing the population with economic migrants.

All our graduates are leaving for Australia due to money and staff shortages.

Imagine we had 3 billion to pay those staff extra and make it more desirable to stay instead of leaving.

Anyone know where we could find 3 billion??

minimary

The Member States have agreed the pact on migration, if it actually does anything in practice remains to be seen

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2023/1220/1422985-eu-migration-laws/

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517161#Comment_121517161

About time the EU started making plans. It was unfair on the frontline countries who were in effect allowing a passthru to offload the huge numbers.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517113#Comment_121517113

Or even 5.5 billion?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-government-sets-aside-5-5-billion-for-supporting-ukrainian-refugees-t2fh3sqvf

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516936#Comment_121516936

I'm just giving my own perspective, no need to get personal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517016#Comment_121517016

Yes, your point?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517431#Comment_121517431

You agree it's a big difference but that your point is still valid. I think you are getting confused by the word "logic" there

Montage of Feck

I was surprised to hear a FF councilor going against the acceptable narrative on migration on RTE news last week, now it is turning into a spat with MM.

Likely to become an issue in the party at local level anyway as the elections start to loom and the likes of the Healey Raes from the FF gene pool stir the pot.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516897#Comment_121516897

More anger to the government over lack of leadership and poor communication I'd say than any particular people ?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517599#Comment_121517599

There are a huge amount of FF members and councillors still angry with Martin for entering into coalition with FG. The removal of the civil war politics charade has eroded a lot of their identity. The perception now is that they are 2 sides of the same coin. The resentment has been simmering for a long time. They also felt Leo undermined Martin and FF throughout his time as Taoiseach. Constant leaks etc.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517079#Comment_121517079

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Perhaps the ones who didn't leave in the first 12 months or so felt the war might be over by 2023 or 2024? There is nothing remotely 'normal' about life in Ukraine at the moment - their lives are effectively on hold for the duration of the war. There may well be quite a few people leaving for economic reasons, but others could be completely stressed out by the experience of living in a country at war (and in many cases, their male relatives might be fighting at the front). Would you want to bring up a child in Ukraine at the moment? I don't think I would.

1800_Ladladlad

Today, The EU reached a political agreement on the Pact on Migration and Asylum. It will introduce permanent and mandatory migrant relocation quotas for all EU states (except Denmark). Given the fact that unelected Irish MEP (failed politicians) voluntarily agreed to fully participate in the EU relocation and resettlement schemes set up in response to the migrant crisis that peaked in 2015, accepted 4,000 "refugees". It is reasonable to presume they opted into this pact.

"The EU has never forced Ireland to take in refugees or immigrants. In fact, Ireland has no obligation to take in refugees as, along with Denmark, it has an opt-in or opt-out clause on justice and immigration measures under the Lisbon Treaty."

https://ireland.representation.ec.europa.eu/news-and-events/news/ireland-voluntarily-agrees-take-part-eu-schemes-resettle-refugees-2021-02-28_en

If Denmark is not included in this pact that means it opted out and Ireland in fact opted-in. What a load of irresponsible self-serving f*ckin degenerate's they are.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518179#Comment_121518179

But but legal obligations!!

Coolcormack1979

Best boy in class syndrome.800 yrs of British rule followed by the rule of Charles mcquaid

1800_Ladladlad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518200#Comment_121518200

Don't forget our moral obligation....you are literally the Hitler

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121517599#Comment_121517599

Healy Raes? Don't they own accomodation housing people seeking refuge?

Montage of Feck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518715#Comment_121518715

More FF than FF these days.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518179#Comment_121518179

And to think that Denmark have a left wing government. According to some on here the actions of the Danish Government would be far-right. With the EU elections next year we need to promote new MEPs who would opt Ireland out of such a pact.

pauly58

Martin was quoted in The Journal in reply to one of his councilors who said the inn was full, no he said, there is room at the inn, despite the fact below that piece was another article saying how many were supposedly sleeping rough because there was no accommodation, the man is deluded. Thee inn was full before this farce started, some 10k Irish people homeless but I guess they don't count.

I see the EEC are petting themselves on the back as an agreement was reached to relieve the pressure on certain countries like Greece & Italy & send the immigrants to other countries, I wonder where that could possibly be eh Leo.

Shocking figures from Sweden re sex attacks, rapes & attempted rape : 60% are committed by men not born in Sweden, mainly North African who make up 2.4% of the population but of course it could never happen here. Similarly two immigrants from the Bibby Stockholm moored in Dorset have been arrested for a sexual assault in a nightclub.

Letting vast numbers of single men, completely unvetted from a culture that has zero respect for women & gays incidentally, was only ever going to end one way.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121518805#Comment_121518805

MEPs don't decide which treaties and pacts Ireland opt in and out of - that is totally on the Irish government.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121516867#Comment_121516867

It’s foolish to jump to conclusions

you and certain other posters are hell bent on demanding proof and evidence when arguing your point . Yet, on this occasion it’s acceptable to jump to conclusions?

Stephen_Maturin

I see our misty eyed figurehead has managed to shoehorn the migrants into his annual address to the nation for a few extra virtue tokens

Must be nice to be able to pontificate to everyone over something while also being entirely insulated from any negative effects whatsoever

He is the definition of a champagne socialist