Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521282#Comment_121521282

Too little too late, and it's nothing more than posturing ahead of the EU elections next year. I highly doubt any of what they say will happen either, the logistical nightmare of sending back refused admissions will tank this plan.

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521282#Comment_121521282

It's our totally out of touch overpaid and totally up there own a#@e government that seriously needs to wake up. As we have all heard they are under no obligation to carry on this farce if they choose to.

Gussie Scrotch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521354#Comment_121521354

Technically, you're right.

But the gnomes of Brussels would quickly nip any movement in that direction in the bud.

zell12

“worse than the English landlords of decades ago” and “as bad as any drug cartel,” a Cork Fianna Fáil councillor has claimed. "They are the biggest traitors out of everyone," Cllr William O’Leary said to loud applause at a protest about asylum seekers moving into a former B&B in Fermoy, Co Cork. He also said that immigration into the country is not sustainable at current levels and there is a failure by government to acknowledge the issue.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41293849.html

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521252#Comment_121521252

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Cluedo Monopoly

The councillors are getting uppity now because there are local elections next year and as someone else said, they can read the mood music.

The councillor job is very very lucrative and there is huge corruption within. The corruption has been spelled out many times but FFG have failed to bring in reform despite promising to do so over the last 20 years. Most TDs availed of that gravy train in their early career so they are loathe to rock the boat.

The mileage expenses to 2 conferences in one day can earn them a pretty penny, especially if they don't attend.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521429#Comment_121521429

All these councilors are doing is playing to the gallery in the hope that they get elected as soon as the election is over they will go back to sitting their quietly and not saying a thing. I expect TD's to start doing similar in the new year in a bid to get elected.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521413#Comment_121521413

LOLs,

I wouldn't be shocked to read that a local councillor on behalf of a former B&B owner 'made representations' to the department a few months ago. Alot of these local councillors have been known to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521546#Comment_121521546

It's very cynical of course. Do any of those councillors give a flying fig about refugees or immigration in their area? It seems unlikely....they're just doing it to boost their own profile.

A load of Tory MPs in Britain are doing the same - shouting from the rooftops about how deeply concerned they are about immigration, when it was barely even a discussion point a couple of years ago. It seems to be the go to issue for any populist politician.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521413#Comment_121521413

Ireland needs to return to its past in cases like this. Those raking it in on the back of the destruction of local villages and killing tourism need to be made public and made uncomfortable. Bar them from local shops, restaurants, pubs. Local services should publicly refuse to do work for them. A nationwide parasite boycott. It worked well in the past, the Irish literally introduced boycott into the English language.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521679#Comment_121521679

Sure this government have taken a lot from UK. Just look at the likes of FG mainly going the project fear route. Even this week Varadkar was out with SF will cause negative equity. I expect we will see a lot more of this. Anything to deflect from the dismal performance and problems they have caused from the time in government.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521679#Comment_121521679

Perhaps a few years ago immigration wasn't a big issue because the numbers coming in weren't as large and housing wasn't nearly as strained as it is now. I remember a few years ago some people were warning it would come to this, but they were ignored by and large apart from a few who labeled them racist, etc... somethings don't change.

Marcos

Micheal Martin finally admitted that large parts of the "new to the parish" are coming from the UK because they fear the Rwanda rhetoric.

We have no obligation to take these people who are just asylum shopping. We have no where to put them and just give them a sleeping bag and €50 Dunnes voucher. That isn't fair to them or us, and isn't sustainable in either the short or long terms.

But fear not, your taxpayers money is going to be used to "solve" the problem. Some 50 applicants seek Francovich damages because of the states inability to house them. Of course NGO "free" legal aid is provided to them, actually it's not free, we pick up the tab. Well maybe you appeal to the better nature of the legal eagles do this pro bono, but I suspect you might be waiting.

So we haven't seen anything yet. Imagine the billions that this is going to cost us? Billions that are going to have to come out of health, education, housing and social supports for Irish citizens because they are always being pushed to the bottom of the pile.

This is not going to end well.

malinheader

It's no got nothing to do with colour or race. It's about what someone can bring or add to this country not what they want to take and feel entitled too.

Religion is a different matter, I was Christian a Catholic bu by no means would I call myself a religious person by no means. I Don't really care what religion a person is but certain religions and customs do not have a place in Ireland in my opinion, sharia law and FGM to name a few. This is my opinion so I wonder would this be seen as racist to some.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522031#Comment_121522031

Lame excuse by Michael Martin but an interesting point he made was:

“There’s no doubt [about future increases in international protection applicants]. We have had a threefold increase from pre-Covid to post-Covid in the number of those seeking international protection,” he said. “So it’s about 15,000 [a year] now, close to that, compared to around 3,500 a year in 2019.”

15,000 per year is an incredible amount. That is equivalent to the population of Tullamore or Killarney. Are we going to build a new town like this every year without fail JUST to cater for this influx? All this before we lay a block to build a house for our own.

It's madness, it has to stop.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522018#Comment_121522018

For sure, but looking at the shortage of housing vs lots of migrant workers situation (supply vs demand), claiming that therefore the migrant workers are the problem is a slightly odd way of looking at things. All of the problems are surely at the supply end....unless people believe that migrant workers needing a place to live is some form of aberration. The actual aberration is the government not producing enough housing and accommodation.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522061#Comment_121522061

Was reading about an honour killing there in Italy the other day and the fact that the particular country the people were from have something like 50% of the population in in incentuous relationships and child sexual abuse rates in the 30-40% range. It's all grand though, they'll fully embrace our white privileged racist liberal culture when they get here

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1737811055185743888

Why can't we do this?

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522234#Comment_121522234

You are going on a totally different angle from what I was commenting on. I was commenting on the 15,000 IP applicants that Michael Martin was speaking about. Migrant workers, the non-EU types are a different system as they have to apply for a working visa.

But while you did bring up migrant workers and on this matter there are quite a few internal EU 'migrant workers' who have settled here on welfare and claimed all the benefits without contributing very much if anything at all. These people should be forced to move back to their country of origin.

We would free up a decent chunk of rental and social accommodation if this was implemented. We need to be issuing alot of Removal Orders for EU citizens here who are a burden on the system.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522599#Comment_121522599

On your last point, I wouldn't see any particular issue with it. Under EU freedom of movement laws, people must have the means to support themselves in order to remain in the other EU country, otherwise their right to be there no longer exists.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522577#Comment_121522577

It would be a start - but one of the replies to that Tweet says:

- family reunion continues

- no regulation of students and asylum seekers

- offenders with double citizenship cannot be expelled unless they have murdered someone

So, it's not as strong as it sounds.

1800_Ladladlad

Leo claimed now he thinks "we should have an open and honest debate about migration in this country but it has to be based on facts. It has to be based on information. It has to avoid anything that is othering or racist. They have to be the parameters"... he's concerned about a "huge degree of misinformation" He's concerned all of a sudden. but it's information he's not able to control info he doesn't like. Facts he is not willing to entertain within a debate. How can he have a debate on facts when he cannot define what a woman is when asked...

He says the unvetted migrant accusation was not accurate..."Everybody who comes into the country who claims international protection is photographed, is fingerprinted, is checked against a watchlist". If that were the case how, off of the top of my head, how can he explain these three cases from this year...

• Tayyab Salah Uddin, a Pakistani predator who came here from the UK in 2018 despite being convicted of a violent rape in the UK in 2014, was granted refugee status. He went on to violently raped one Irish woman and attempted to lure a second to a car in Sligo 2018 is jailed for 10 years
• Soufiane Mountassir, a Moroccan man wanted on a European Arrest Warrant from Germany relating to an arson offense. He had previously been convicted and sentenced to 3 years in Germany for arson charged for the false imprisonment and assault of a former partner after leaving her “covered in blood” after forcing her into a car boot..
• Lokman Benharkou, an Algerian male who spent 11 years in the UK before coming to Ireland at the end of December 2022 and applying for asylum. 9 months later he's been charged for the 'extremely violent' unprovoked attack on two women in Dundalk. Benharkou already had two separate charges for theft of people's phones.

The examples are endless, dating back to the first Dublin Reg and before 2010.

According to Varadkar, a person has to claim asylum in the first country they arrive in as a "far-right myth" and how ... "It is possible under the Dublin Regulation for people to be sent back to a country that they've already applied in, if that country will take them. That's a whole other thing."

The Dublin III Regulation (No. 604/2013)

determines which EU Member State is responsible for the examination of an application for asylum, determined by the first port of entry criteria. An asylum seeker can only have his or her application considered in one of the Dublin countries. The main rule is that an application will be processed by the first Dublin country the asylum seeker comes to.

if that country won't take them? Well, that's when you grow a pair and sort it out. The fact they sit back and accept this is telling. Weak!!!

On Morning Ireland, O’Gorman stated that "every international protection applicant is fingerprinted"..." Their fingerprints are checked according to two EU bases in terms of had a claim been made in another EU member state and had been involved in any element of criminality across an EU member state.""In terms of this idea of being vetted or not, that is a far greater degree of check than anybody else moving into an area."..."I don’t want to use the term vetting, because vetting is something very specific in terms of child protection." It's not that hard. The safety and protection of children Comes first in Ireland and any community especially when they are planting young men in these communities.

Weak people leading this government.

Loafing Oaf

I see one of the arson-condoning councillors has gone down the

route

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cllr-noel-thomas-im-more-entitled-to-be-in-fianna-fail-than-the-likes-of-micheal-martin-1566745.html

That's sure to end well for him...

mykrodot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522817#Comment_121522817

https://twitter.com/BB_Baskin/status/1737867410722460048

so I wonder does Leo think these guys "have been fingerprinted and photographed and checked against a watchlist"? This was a few days ago in Ashbourne. Leo is a fool and he must think we are all fools too!

jack of all

Not much cohesion and balance in any of the current government's policies in this regard. The tide of disgruntlement is rising...take heed Micheál.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522577#Comment_121522577

We’re not allowed due to our international obligations, also we have to provide accommodation to anyone who arrives here or the government will be instantly sued by our NGOs

1800_Ladladlad

Sinéad Gibney  Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) launches High Court proceedings against the Government over its failure to provide accommodation to all International Protection (IP) applicants. 

It is the first time the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) has invoked its powers to initiate a legal action concerning the human rights of a person or class of people in its own name.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41295571.html

ShamNNspace

Maybe Sinead could do something practical and put up a few of them in her abode in Blackrock, maybe give her cousin Des (the "comedian") a shout to put up another few while she was at it, instead of squandering my taxes and preaching at us every other day

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121521429#Comment_121521429

Something wrong if they can't read the mood in the country about the high levels of immigration. The CSO census data shows that 20% of the population in 2022 were born elsewhere, that figure excluded Ukranian and others not normally resident here so the actual numbers are likely higher.

Place of Birth

80% of the usually resident population was born in Ireland. This represents a decrease of 3% since 2016.

• The number of people who usually lived in Ireland but were born elsewhere stood at 20% of the population.
• This represented 1,017,437 people, an increase of 207,031 from six years previously.
• The biggest increases were recorded in the number of people born in India (up 35,673), Brazil (23,760) and Romania (13,758).

It would be good if the government could let us know what overall percentage they deem is reasonable or acceptable in our small population - are they happy for that figure to keep increasing to 30/40/50% ?

The current situation is clearly causing difficulties for our country in many areas, not only housing. Every service is stretched, gp's, schools, hospitals, we export our well educated young people and have serious problems retaining medical, teaching, construction, transport, and other essential workers because they can't afford to live here.

Yet the government can still manage to find many billions of our taxes to support new arrivals to our country. It is beyond ridiculous at this stage

Sonic the Shaghog

And where were they for the human rights of all the homeless with no accomodation over the last few years?