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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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    #1622
    UsBus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120235661#Comment_120235661

    Congrats caller, that's the phrase that pays, biNGO......



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    #1623
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237979#Comment_120237979

    I've long thought that the far left here would take some steps too far that would actually result in at least a partial retrenchment of the liberalism and the power of NGO's of the last decades. It was hard to believe the arrogance of one of them "warning" the government over their use of language this morning. A government who is responsible for a huge chunk of his charities revenue.

    Social policy has been an area with a lot of movement and the State has changed a lot under this policy area in recent years. Now the winds of change are blowing I wonder how much inertia the State has in its ever leftward march. Maybe it's a storm that will pass though.



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    #1624
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238351#Comment_120238351

    We know this was organised by the far right for a fact. The 'protest march' in Liverpool was arranged and publicised at short notice on Telegram channels by various far right groups that evening. No "concerned citizens".....these groups had already been discussing the hotel in online posts for a good two weeks beforehand.



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    #1625
    mikemac2
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    Edited out

    Post edited by mikemac2 on


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    #1626
    Backstreet Moyes
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    My first time in town for a few weeks this morning.

    I have never seen so many people in door ways or on the street in sleeping bags.

    The sleeping bags I'm sure cold and wet from the rain.

    Congratulations to the government and all the cheerleaders for increasing homelessness.

    Ye must be proud watching the number of people living on the streets.

    A change of policy is badly needed and quick before our streets are full of people.



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    #1627
    lmao10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238615#Comment_120238615

    It's all documented that those scum were involved so I'm not sure why anyone would deny it unless they are sympathisers.



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    #1628
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,255 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238948#Comment_120238948


    Government policy does not happen by magic. The voters don't want the housing crisis solved, they want the "everyone should own a house" crisis solved and that is not the same thing. The day attitudes change is will be the first opportunity to solve the housing crisis and not until then. To solve the housing crisis requires people to accept that they can't all own a house, just like in the rest of Europe, so sadly, there will need to be a lot more pain before we see any movement.



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    #1629
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239360#Comment_120239360

    It is abundantly clear to young people they can't own a house in this country or in most cases find a place to rent.

    It's why so many of our brightest from college or those finishing up learning a trade are emigrating to other countries.

    Fair play to the likes of Australia getting in skilled people who will benefit the country.

    While we are replacing our brightest with illegals who are a drain on the country.

    This country is going to be in some state in the next 10 years and its scary when you consider how bad it is already.



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    #1630
    Floppybits
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239360#Comment_120239360

    I think you are wrong saying voters/people "don't want the housing crisis solved, they want the "everyone should own a house" crisis solved and that is not the same thing. " and we have heard this from government and their supporters time and time again. What people want is to have the ability to either buy or rent accommodation/housing at reasonable rates and where there is a supply. At the moment there is none of that, most house prices for people buying are out of reach and there is a lack of availability in the rental sector. To assume as you have that "everyone should own a house" is the issue is the wrong and the reason why this is not being solved. People have different requirements for living somewhere, some want to rent but can't because there is nowhere to rent or that the rent is sky high. Yes others do want to buy a house but can't because again there the prices of the house is too high and again there is a lack of options. There needs to be the options for those who want to rent to rent either privately or publicly at the moment they can do neither and the same for housing where people can either buy privately if the have the means or publicly if make whatever criteria there is for public housing. But to narrow it down to just " everyone should own a house" is wrong and is why this problem is not being solved. It actually very sad and disappointing to see that type of post.



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    #1631
    TomTomTim
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239360#Comment_120239360

    To solve the housing crisis requires people to accept that they can't all own a house

    This is essentially an admission that our quality of life is declining because of modernist worldviews. You wouldn't dare admit that of course being a modernist, but this was not the norm not so long ago. Everyone I know above a certain age owns a home, it was completely mainstream to own a home by a certain age in Ireland only 10 or 15 years ago. Yet now the people who promote this world and will continue to promote it, essentially tell us all that we should just deal with the decline.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #1632
    Backstreet Moyes
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    It's ironic when you think of it.

    People with little means to offer anything to our country are illegally coming here for a better life.

    Irish kids who should be the future of the country are moving to other countries for a better life.

    We are basically educating our kids for the benefit of Australia and Canada while replacing them with illegals who cannot support themselves.

    The likes of Australia must be laughing at us.

    We need a zero refugee policy on illegals and immediately, enough damage has been done.



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    #1633
    clytemnestra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239793#Comment_120239793

    It's bitterly ironic. I know several young Irish people who are educated and skilled, currently leaving because this country cannot offer them a decent life. I've lived through that before as I was a teenager in the 1980s. But no matter how bad things got back then, we couldn't have imagined the plot twist of our country filling up with randoms from all over the globe, people who have no interest in our history, traditions or culture, and many of whom are unemployed and unemployable. We just could not have imagined anything so cruel and destructive.



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    #1634
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,518 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239793#Comment_120239793

    Is that not a contradiction? You're saying that Irish people who move abroad are valuable assets and bring a lot to their new country but people who come here have nothing to offer.



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    #1635
    Hamachi
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240254#Comment_120240254

    EDIT to null. Pointless responding.



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    #1636
    Backstreet Moyes
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240254#Comment_120240254

    I said the word illegals have nothing to offer.

    I am not sure if you don't understand the word or deliberately ignored it.



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    #1637
    Hungry Burger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240254#Comment_120240254

    I don’t know how many times it needs to be explained to you that illegal chancers coming into this country to go into direct provision are not the same as an Irish person (who will usually have a skill or a degree) emigrating to Australia/Canada.



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    #1638
    Boggles
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240254#Comment_120240254

    It's a false premise, unsurprisingly.

    More Irish nationals immigrated back to Ireland than left in the past 3 years.

    Highest returning amount since 2007 last year.

    The anecdotes don't correlate with actually reality.

    Also it's not the 1980s anymore, people are emigrating because they want to not because they have to.

    10 years ago when we bulldozing housing estates net outward migration of Irish nationals was very high.

    Also rough sleepers have very little to with housing stock as their problems are far more acute, there was more rough sleepers in the capital during the boom then there is now.



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    #1639
    Backstreet Moyes
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240460#Comment_120240460

    People are arriving in ireland illegally.

    They are referred to as illegal immigrants.

    You know what the term illegal immigrant means.

    Have you anything to add besides calling me a bigot for referring to them by the correct term?



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    #1640
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240598#Comment_120240598

    People are arriving in ireland illegally.

    They are referred to as illegal immigrants.

    You know what the term illegal immigrant means.

    I know it gets thrown around far too often as a slur.

    And being an illegal migrant doesn't mean you lost all your life skills. In fact in the US a particular issue is businesses taking immense advantage of undocumented laborers, far from having no skills. 8 of 11 million 'illegals' are participants in the labor force, account for 5% of the US workforce (Pew Research Center).



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    #1641
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240604#Comment_120240604

    Still though, skills or no skills is irrelevant when it comes to illegal immigrants. Come in illegally and you have to go.

    That's the whole point of having borders and a visa application system.



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    #1642
    Strazdas
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240430#Comment_120240430

    But a majority here are claiming that refugees who come here are not refugees at all and are in fact "economic migrants" of a young working age who are seeking to better themselves. Wouldn't that mean they are perfectly employable in fact?



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    #1643
    Backstreet Moyes
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240604#Comment_120240604

    Illegal immigrants can't work for 6 months I believe when they arrive in ireland.

    How exactly are they going to contribute to the country.

    Again why do you keep bringing up America in a topic about refugees in ireland, it is completely off topic and nothing to do with ireland.



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    #1644
    enricoh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240430#Comment_120240430

    Of course they are, did you not see the videos of them rioting in citywest a few weeks ago.

    Doctors vs engineers apparently, totally frustrated at being unable to work and contribute to our pensions!

    The Canadians n Australians are idiots and/or racist for not allowing them in.



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    #1645
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120239562#Comment_120239562

    What about your blood diamond? 😉

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #1646
    Hungry Burger
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240643#Comment_120240643

    Not really no considering many don’t have a word of English, will only work in low skill jobs that Irish people will have to compete with them for and will drive down wages.



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    #1647
    buried
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240604#Comment_120240604

    Since you are so concerned and knowledgeable with the USA, lets say I as an Irish Citizen leaves Shannon Airport to fly to Chicago, and once I arrive in O'Hare, I suddenly have no passport or documentation to prove my national identity. What's going to happen in that situation?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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    #1648
    enricoh
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240819#Comment_120240819

    You get put up in a hotel til the yanks get through the backlog, then you get your foreva home and you then repatriate your family over. Every country does this ,don't they?!



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    #1649
    cal naughton
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240643#Comment_120240643

    While in some respect they are employable in some capacity, the irony is the ideal starter industry where they could get a job in, Hotels and other hospitality have been virtually wiped out due hosting of fellow migrants.



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    #1650
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240642#Comment_120240642

    Say it’s irrelevant again to the employers of over 8 million illegals in the US



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    #1651
    Overheal
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240819#Comment_120240819

    Unlike Ireland the US has a great flight visa pleclearance program. You wouldn’t even be allowed to board the flight before being booked in by US Customs at Shannon. A solution I’ve proposed Ireland do. Then someone complained that Ireland couldn’t possibly preclear from all the arrival points so I suggested limit the number of arrival points and preclear those, that was deemed too restrictive. The zero refugee people have to decide if they want to eat the cake or have it.



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