Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

StrawbsM

Coach has arrived at Crooksling

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084421#Comment_122084421

What's the long term plan to house these 1000's of men and their families?

Build "nouvelle banlieue" around the country to house the new arrivals is the only long term plan as the numbers will rise to 100,000 in the next 5 - 10 years..

pc7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084491#Comment_122084491

Are there any locals there atm?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084452#Comment_122084452

Great post.

Northernlily

Our patriot travelling troublemakers probably caught off Guard. Too early for them.

Isn't Crooksling the place they walked back from before? This could get very embarrassing for the Govt if it happens again.

Ultimately I don't think Harris liked tent city being on Channel 4 and Sky news.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084457#Comment_122084457

I was just thinking that . Sending refugees back across the border, clearing away tent shandy town of vulnerable people, even jailing one Sudanese man for arriving with no documents - aren’t these the policies of “far right extremists” ?

What’s going on? (Maybe common sense, a bit late perhaps though).
NGOs have their own agenda, and understand will protect their own interests. But all our mainstream media have questions to answer as to why they branded measures like this as “far-right” up till now.

gym_imposter

When I read the comments of certain posters on this thread , I heed it as a warning to do everything I can to deter my son and daughter from choosing certain colleges after school

Just what is being taught that encourages people to cheer on the utter transformation of their own nation ?

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084452#Comment_122084452

In an ideal world this would be fantastic - we do not live an ideal world.

You suggest having to make agreements with at least 14 countries at an EU level. This would take years if not decades to finalise if ever. Lets see how well dealing with Russia/Belarus/Libya goes.

Even if it was achieved, every time one of the countries has a disagreement over something migrants can be used as a tool to try and strong arm the EU.

Bearing in mind the EU haven't bothered with anything like this so far.

And before we even get there what is even the point of creating all these new rules and deals if we do not enforce the ones we currently have.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084479#Comment_122084479

What level of reduction in travel freedom would you be willing to see?

That could be anything from more rigorous checks at boarder control to requiring visa applications entering all EU countries to not letting people into your country at all.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084538#Comment_122084538

Whatever about the burning and other criminal acts that some engage in fair play to any “traveling patriot” who does no engage in personal hate or the likes. It’s obviously been a massive factor in bringing this all to light.

had it been left to RTE and “independent news and media” we may have never known there was an issue at all(excluding locals). I know my own locality would worry too much about what the neighbors think to stand at a picket.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084510#Comment_122084510

not sure. I just saw photo of coach pulling up at the gates

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084564#Comment_122084564

I know that is not directed at me but this two things are not a big deal. As EU citizens we could all technically have an open visa in the EU anyway but then again that’s how it works currently, extreme lack of enforcement of borders and quick deportation of bogus asylum claims is the issue I think.

Big deals would include banning flights or not allowing travel to/from certain countries.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084584#Comment_122084584

well shutting the door to citizenship for anyway illegally entering Europe combined with automatic expulsion is step one.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084452#Comment_122084452

"more robust through deep and proactive partnership with North African nations and other countries"

You're talking about countries with corrupt and unstable governments, poor human rights records, mass civil unrest. military junta's in power… So building the sorts of relationships you're talking about just isn't realistic..

The message is still out there that the streets of Europe are paved with Gold, peace, prosperity and a better life for the migrant and their families and until that ideal is turned around by EU Governments then people will still risk their lives everyday to get here.. And once they land on European shores there's food, shelter and medical attention that no matter how bad it looks to us is still 1000 times better than where some of them have come from…

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084538#Comment_122084538

Virgin media journalists will give them a lift back into town to make another story out of it.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084452#Comment_122084452

I think it's more than just travel and physical restrictions which would be required. I think a big factor in the increase in migration in recent decades is ease of accessing information pretty much about anywhere in the world. Even back in the 80's, which is as far back of my personal experience of emigration from Ireland goes, Irish people for the most part moved where a family member, or somebody from their locality, had become established. It was a common pattern for somebody from a village, once settled, to take in a flow of people from their homeplace, helping them to get jobs, accommodation, bank accounts etc set up.

All that can be done so easily now, and for people coming to live undocumented etc, networks are and will be in place to offer, or promise these things, and to help transport or smuggle somebody into their country. Australia for all that they've been able to physically control people coming to their country are now struggling with 'almost industrial-scale' criminal enterprises exploiting immigration.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-04/immigration-visa-compliance-crackdown/102932864

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084563#Comment_122084563

Oh don't get me wrong — I think it's going to be bloody hard and I don't think the issue is ever going to go away fully. That's part of the reason why I also tend to believe that we do need a more conciliatory approach to those migrants and asylum seekers who do end up here — and not have people vilifying them at every turn and obsessing over every wrong thing any migrant ever did. The impossibility of actually tackling the issue perfectly means we also have to make the best of migration, instead of eternally kicking and screaming at it.

I have said before on this very thread that our proximity to countries openly hostile to Western interests is a reality we are stuck with, for now at least — and our geopolitical situation is probably the most challenging of any part of the developed world (something that those who hail the US, Australia and Japan need to recognise). The very things you mention in your post are the very things people should remind themselves of, to get themselves out of their little dream that migration problems are little more than the outcome of happy clappy lefties who want to save the world and NGOs or whatever other bogeyman. The issue is simply, and unavoidably, incredibly difficult.

But what I will say is that my view on it, in my own opinion, is one that you can actually get the European nations aligned on (something which is harder to achieve when it comes to, say, deportation cooperation and closing internal EU borders). And if you can get pan-European alignment on it, things become a lot more workable.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084510#Comment_122084510

2 coaches, 2 minibuses

https://twitter.com/attentivecee/status/1785601684430786830?s=46&t=IY-y8V-cxTAz1djkZYvB6A

https://twitter.com/lionchief101/status/1785602278486929551?s=46&t=IY-y8V-cxTAz1djkZYvB6A

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084479#Comment_122084479

Absolutely, I'd have no problem at all with a longer wait at Irish border controls in order to manage these matters properly. It's common enough across the world.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084564#Comment_122084564

More rigorous checks at border points would be acceptable. Bit of a pain but necessary.

emo72

3 lads at the bus stop across the road? Straight off the coach and heading back into Town already 😂?

Sunjava

I'm not quite sure as I don't think travel restrictions are the source of the problem. I think all EU states should be throwing the kitchen sink at manning the border of Europe. Nothing should be allowed across the Mediterranean or the far eastern borders. People coming from Albania etc should not be allowed board a flight to Ireland without a visa…the airlines need to get their asses in gear. There are always solutions.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082946#Comment_122082946

Well you know what? We have this wonderful thing called the Oireachtas which can readily change legislation and in days when needed.

Good to see more movement on this issue, a strong message to those thinking they can rock up and demand asylum. Now we need to defund agencies encouraging this with state monies and use our Garda & Defence Force resources at borders.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084655#Comment_122084655

Seen that. There was a Palestinian refugee interviewed the other night on the news saying there was a drug problem with a few people at the site.

Can't imagine being stuck in the mountains is appealing for such folk.

They went back to town before, whats to stop them doing it again. I would have thought the Govt would have moved them further into the country to stop similar footage. It could end up being more embaressment.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084655#Comment_122084655

no way! 😂 I only took a brief glance at them and thought nothing of it. The first coach started offloading on the roadside then the minibus went inside the gates. The coach then dangerously reversed into the direction of oncoming traffic and then went through the gates. Then the gates closed. There were no Gardaí with the first batch

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084655#Comment_122084655

Surely they'll prevent any of them from pitching camp at Mount Steeet this time?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084628#Comment_122084628

I think it will be very hard but I'm in agreement that it's the only feasible long-term approach.

The aid model between the west and global south does little but paper over the cracks. I think key on our side will be looking at how we trade with these regions. There have been countless examples of money flowing from western entities to militia's or deeply corrupt regimes. And we still see reports again and again on the abuses of labor that take place in producing products for consumption in western markets.

I think the EU has been quite successful for setting standards in some areas, which have gone on to be modelled elsewhere in the Western world. Setting precedents in how we trade with the global south is something we certainly can do, and I think over time the other western powers would fall in line. I certainly think the public will is there, despite what we see on threads like this.

emo72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084682#Comment_122084682

Yeah, I've seen it reported that they've fenced off Mount Street. HOWEVER they can't fence off the entire city. Who's gonna be the unlucky ones this time that wins the tent city lottery. It could be you!

gifted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084491#Comment_122084491

Does it accept the Leap card?

CollyFlower

https://x.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1785603498672812320