Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087787#Comment_122087787

They do, but also include profits at all of these small firms and management costs.

Hugely inefficient to have such fragmentation.

From an Earnest & Young 2021 report.

92.8% of construction firms employ under six persons and 99.6% employ less than 50 persons.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087790#Comment_122087790

Yes yes, I'd be complaining that I burned my life savings. They did try to move some IP applicants about 10 miles from me but some stupid thugs burned the hotel down.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087726#Comment_122087726

How were you to know. I feel for your plight and that of others like you. The concerning thing to me is it seems the Govt are prepared to go toe to toe with the people on this issue. They have sent that message via placing people in Newtownmountkennedy today.

I won't be buying anywhere myself for another 18 months. Wasn't keen on it anyway with the state of the market. Will wait until the political dust settles.

beggars_bush

This thread is a real eye opener

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087796#Comment_122087796

Sure, let's ignore what's happening elsewhere.

I'm sure we'll get 'hard borders' right.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087809#Comment_122087809

The local scumbags weren't the cause of women having to get taxis home from work in Galway a few months ago due to IP center near by

aidanodr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087603#Comment_122087603

First I BELIEVE we are only seeing the start of this whole migration thing now and its only going one way - FAR WORSE. The whole equitorial area of this planet is and will become unlivable in via sustained temps like 45deg+ .. these temps are biologically unlivable in for humans. So mass migration north is inevitable .. soon, if not already. Also add WAR on the continent of Europe - Russian invasion of Ukraine. This war is now touch and go with Russia in the ascendency at the moment. If Russia succeed here over the next few months then we are looking at further huge migration west from Ukraine. If Putin manages to push further west after "dealing" with Ukraine then even more migration west from likes of Estonia, latvia etc.

We can chuck out trumpian simple glib phrases like Ireland is full .. but how our gov is dealing with this is not in isolation as an Ireland that can do what it likes. We are in the EU and that brings rules around migration and also in likes of the UN and Human rights world wide which also has rules around migration which we as a nation have signed up for. So we just say "refugees welcome" and look the other way wont gut it unless we do what the UK did and EXIT all these organisations, but as you see even if we do that, we dont have a free hand as UK has discovered post Brexit and recently. Its all not that simple.

I would never advocate leaving EU for Ireland, BUT I think the EU as an entity needs to get its ass in gear for all the possible real eventualities I outline above and be PROACTIVE as an entity where ALL members are singing from same hymn sheet.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087816#Comment_122087816

Christ, you just don't get it, do you? I don't think you ever will.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087841#Comment_122087841

Get what exactly? I have only posted about one dramatic poster being OTT and a couple of arsonists. Why are you so agitated and highly strung? What do you infer from my posts?

Astartes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087726#Comment_122087726

Can you get it delivered somewhere else?

CollyFlower

Can anyone tell me, is it true that some migrants are giving €50,000 to set up an business here?…..

When I think about it I think It may be the case. I see a lot of businesses run by foregin people. Like Nail bars, hairdresser and fast food outlets.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087847#Comment_122087847

Not agitated, easy to make snide remarks about a person spending lot of money of to get away from the current **** storm then having it dumped on their doorstep.

star61

not really inefficient- usually subcontractors specialise in a particular trade.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087854#Comment_122087854

Nail bars, salons and phone shops - some of the greatest money laundering operations going.

Jeff2

Lisa Chambers from FF on TTS VMTV Talking about Mount Street saying no one could have for seen what would come.

That with Rodders inviting people here.

Many many people seen this coming and weren't listened to.

They were fast to act on covid but have no idea how to sort this out.

Through money from the corporate none irish company's at it when there is no saying if these companies will stay here.

When the money tree runs out...?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087857#Comment_122087857

So he left Dublin to live in a nice village because Dublin is a shiit storm now is it? Amateur dramatics again.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087764#Comment_122087764

It’s simple.

Start by protecting your own borders.

You know, that legally binding thing we are entitled to do.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087526#Comment_122087526

This is your explanation when questioned previously.

There are many reasons, wildly reported.

Dangerous conditions (dinghys in the med?) More women and children drown trying to cross the Med, then men.

Also, Men are much more likely to be killed at home, or imprisoned, or tortured. Women and children are more likely to be spared those incidents.

Men travelling alone can move quicker and have less slowing them down, they don't need as much food or attention as children. they will also stay places that they wouldn't want or wouldn't be appropriate for their wives and children.

They may have just enough money for one person to travel.

Bringing wives and children over, once they are safe, with somewhere to bring them, is always better then dragging them thousands of kilometres on dangerous journeys.

Many other reasons, there are plenty of reports about this issue.

You seem to be now making a false claim, "I never suggested how anybody gets here" but must assume it is I that am mistaken given your vast knowledge.

For some reason, you seem determined to focus on what the government department regards as the minority of claimants. Describing their method and rationale for coming here.

Can you please address the other cohort, which by your recent explicit acknowledgement, you now claim are falsely claiming asylum?

It is indeed shocking to me that you could make such a claim against these vulnerable people as I assume you must understand that the new cohort might be entirely genuine.

I must say given your previous statement that you understand everything, I am disappointed by your cavalier attitude to these people.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087868#Comment_122087868

Chambers campaigned for a Yes vote and then announced she voted No when the tide turned. Her credibility is zero. Less than zero.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087868#Comment_122087868

That person is a waste of space, Stevie Wonder couldv'e seen what was coming. Hope she gets obliterated in the elections.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087876#Comment_122087876

are we not legally bound to not monitor the border with the UK up north?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087866#Comment_122087866

it's the same all over the western world with nail bars and the likes, these businesses are cheap because of cheap illegal labour. i said earlier in this thread we're on top of a pyramid scheme in rich countries like ireland, we would be less well off and most things would be more expensive if wealth was balanced throughout the world, and balancing out living standards worldwide would mean we wouldn't have waves of asylum seekers like we do now. i don't think it's politically or humanly possible though which is sad.

alias no.9

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086809#Comment_122086809

Dangerous conditions (dinghys in the med?) More women and children drown trying to cross the Med, then men.

Sorry, you're really going to have to explain that one. Are the NGO boats only picking up males or something?

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087796#Comment_122087796

None of them do.

They've got gaslighting, word games and pithy nonsense.

An idiotic ideology has brought us to this place and now the whole fukin thing is falling apart. Where it goes from here will not be pretty.

There will be no integration with this sh*t going on and any progress in integration that we have made over the last 20 years is already eroding away.

It is f*cked.

mistersifter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087892#Comment_122087892

We are indeed bound to monitor the UK border. Under the Immigration Act 2004 it is grounds for deportation if someone arrives in Ireland with the intention of abusing the Common Travel Area:

It is an offence if the non-national:

(i) intends to travel (whether immediately or not) to Great Britain or Northern Ireland, and

(ii) would not qualify for admission to Great Britain or Northern Ireland…

I'm not sure how much we actually enforce this rule but you'd imagine it works both ways and the Brits should be monitoring things from their side!

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087963#Comment_122087963

it doesn't really say that we should be policing the border in the north though. you can still claim asylum too even if you've arrived somewhere illegally so i'm not really sure how it can all be stopped any time soon.

REDBULL68

This a bad situation, u.k won't take em back (don't blame them )our government totally blind till now ,oh look election coming, too late ,alot of tds not going for re election, big pension so don't care ,not a word out of the European Parliament about this ,that says alot, no point manning the border anyway as their just flying in ,you try that anywhere else in the world, and you'll end up in a cell. Joke country.

mistersifter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087971#Comment_122087971

I guess that if it's an offence then by implication we should be doing more to police the Northern border.

e.g. Pre-authorisation and finger printing for travel between Britain and Northern Ireland for all those who are neither Europeans nor resident in the Common Travel Area. But this requires cooperation from the UK who seem to be happy to undermine the existence of the Area.

We should also pressure airlines and ferry companies to have stricter boarding policies.

It may also help if the IPO didn't accept walk-in applications in central Dublin. An office near the border and applications to be made at ports of entry only and immediate refusal for those who have come via the UK.