Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

NIMAN

I notice all the pitched tents are the same, so obviously these IPAs are being given a tent by some NGO or government agency?

Perhaps if they weren't handed a tent, but instead told to go to X, where they will be processed and taken by bus to Y, it would save the hassle of the tents being erected in town, the gardai having to clear them all, and tents being binned, and the men being bussed later?

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119179#Comment_122119179

Ill consider it a tax rebate. I've been paying top end rate for half my working life and they're getting housed sing mine and your tax regardless.

Call it hypocritical but I very much don't care tbh.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119517#Comment_122119517

Well then why don't they stop taking them in if they know they cant provide them with places to go. Its madness at this rate

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119486#Comment_122119486

This is an excellent point. Pure hypocrisy.

Meanwhile we're all breaking our balls bringing empty cans and bottles to reclaim our 15 cent on machines that don't work half the time.

Northernlily

Tell ya one thing. These canal tent folk brought the good weather with them!

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119563#Comment_122119563

Unfortunately, commented on the Ireland immigration forum(Now closed) I've travelled deep into this rabbithole supplying multiple links and proper information regarding Denmark's model including other suggestions to some posters that are active on this thread.

Once you stated the facts, the sympathy/classic have a heart comments will begin..
I've no problem pulling up some of the comments replying to me if that's allowed but it's there -

The end game debate looks like this -
"Sure IPA's aren't harming you or anyone else, even if they working off the books even better "
"Do we just let these people die or ship them off to their deaths"
"We deserve people arriving here because of our tax heaven economy "

I've stop wasting my time trying to put a middleline point/argument to these posters, no reasoning or middle ground with some folk here.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119631#Comment_122119631

A misplaced idea that individuals are personally generous if they approve of their country accepting any amount of people is largely to blame.

It's like the country's immigration policies were drawn up by a group of well meaning transition year students.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119631#Comment_122119631

because not taking them in isn't an option with the current rules, and if someone has no documentation you can't deport them, surely everyone knows this by now?

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119654#Comment_122119654

Others also say:

Immigration centre next door to me, didn't see/hear anything so they're fine by me to open more.

Ah sure I don't hear any other countries complaining so why are we.

Took a walk through the Grand Canal area, saw a couple of hidden tents.. sure there's no problem there..

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119164#Comment_122119164

If an Irish citizen wanted to rent a place then they are actually in competition with the government who want to pay the rent on behalf of a non-irish citizen.

The government is actually pricing taxpayers out of the rental market using taxpayer money.

That's completely mind-blowing when you actually sit down and think about it.

Work hard. Pay tax. Government uses your tax money to compete against you for housing and services.

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119120#Comment_122119120

Goofle, Páirc Mhuire residents association in Newbridge, Co Kildare. Maybe attend one of their meetings and ask where do you sign up to take in some IPAs.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119654#Comment_122119654

It is a very dramatic thread.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119697#Comment_122119697

The government have been doing this for years. And buying houses in competition with private buyers.

government outsourced social housing to private developers years ago.

Tenzor07

Wasn't this done in the UK also, local Govt. buying up properties to house migrants thus creating Ghetto's and completely crowding out the remaining local population?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/with-that-sort-of-money-nobody-will-be-able-to-afford-to-rent-a-house-kildare-residents-fear-asylum-seeker-housing-plan-will-limit-rent-supply/a1554974606.html

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119493#Comment_122119493

Well, the issue is being used as a bit of an election season drama in the British media — including being gleefully jumped on by the likes of GB News to soothe the feelings of damaged pride that certain sections of the Brexiteer class have felt about Paddy being seen to get one over his betters in London re Brexit (Jacob Rees Mogg appeared to have what could be described as an intellectual orgasm over the revenge porn of Dublin having not rolled over for the Brexiteers and getting the karma we deserved for our insolence — "this is glorious" to use his terms).

I tend to watch more right-leaning stuff in the news and on YouTube etc and from videos there, from the likes of GB News and Daily Mail etc, you'd think that Dublin was currently overwhelmed by endless seas of tents and that people are up in arms. In reality, life is going on around Dublin fairly as normal as the authorities figure out how to tackle an issue which is problematic but not causing the levels of disruption and sheer horror being made out in some reports.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119541#Comment_122119541

Surely the camps, away from the towns or cities but with wraparound services on site are the best option now.

IPAs are brought straight to the camps to process their application. They stay there whilst processing is completed. They have access to sanitation, food, bed, medical servces onsite.

If they are approved, they can be rehoused. If not, they will leave the country but stay within the camp in the meantime. So they are not homeless, they are not on the streets and are still treated humanely throughout the process.

Given the numbers coming in and the fact we cannot process or accomodate the volume of people arriving, continuing with the current approach via IPO office, onto Crooksling or Citywest will continue to result in tented camps on the streets and unsanitary, inhumane conditions for all.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119675#Comment_122119675

But did I not read before that Ireland had no obligation to take in refugees as, along with Denmark but signed up anyway and if so the gov already knowing how bad the housing was etc I may be wrong on what I read

sekiro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119717#Comment_122119717

Oh well if they've been doing it for years then it's fine then.

As the famous saying goes "if you've been doing something for years with disastrous results then just keep on doing it, it'll be grand."

It's completely mind-bending to me that people can hear about this crazy stuff going on and the best they have to offer is "ah sure that's been going on for years".

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119725#Comment_122119725

Jesus… thats where we are at now. 12 in a house. Could be any house in any estate. **** me.

BlueSkyDreams

Some may leave, but there are simply not enough spaces for everyone. Some have been turned away and remember the numbers coming in are increasing. They are not levelling off.

Last weeks arrival of 610 IPAs is over 31,000 annually if the numbers maintain.

This week we are expecting more than 610.

The accommodation currently is not there to cope with demand, regardless of whether or not a few people decide they dont like the look of Crooksling.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119762#Comment_122119762

On the contrary, it has always been bad policy, I've personally pointed it out numerous times. Seems the majority don't mind until their housing non Irish people.

GetupyeaBowsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119738#Comment_122119738

So, the whole reporting media is all right-wing for covering this mess? The Guardian ,BBC are covering this, many other mixed news outlets across Europe too

"you'd think that Dublin was currently overwhelmed by endless seas of tents"




…

"an issue which is problematic but not causing the levels of disruption and sheer horror being made out in some reports. "

Sheer horror? I can't comment about how people feel about this mess but just because you've a passive attitude towards this topic doesn't mean everyone else is overreacting??

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119751#Comment_122119751

I agree. If people have been given somewhere to go, remove their tent immediately and take them either to the place they were told to go or as you say — a place somewhere where they can either be in their tent on a campsite or greenfield site somewhere and treated with respect, dignity and humanity.

But people need to actually be prepared to allow things to pan that way and appreciate that it's not just going to be problem solved and no more tents. That means trying not to go in drama-overdrive if a few more tents spring up for the next while.

I am [mostly] OK in principle with whay you say there. But the big problem is however — and will remain until we, the UK, Europe and several countries near the EU external borders actually manage to try develop a mutually respectful attitude and framework for helping each other to handle all this — that we are going to struggle actually removing people from the country.

So while I'm OK with either dignified camps or a facility, we have to be prepared for the reality of dealing with those we can't remove.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119195#Comment_122119195

and one of the major gripes in Newtownmountkennedy was residents being kept in the dark. Cloak and dagger carry on by contractor's, lies and misinformation from the department, no visible name or company to contact.

Essentially it was going ahead, you don't need to know who, why, what, how big, it will happen irregardless of peaceful protests or legal issues. Genuine concerns and questions ignored.

And the most insulting part, the planning and procedures rule book that every other citizen has to follow in order to start a development, whether a side extension or multi house development, ripped up and ignored.

And to cap it all off, the community was ignored by politicians who were afraid to say a bad word about immigration policy, no matter how messed up it has become.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119738#Comment_122119738

You're totally right, "move along, nothing to see here"…. said the boiling Frog.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119738#Comment_122119738

I agree with your context here, but the issue is that the numbers arriving have dramatically ramped up and almost certainly have not peaked.

Realistically, 1,000 tents in the city by the end of the month is very likley now and with more room to grow.

If we dont change approach.

tobefrank321

As long as people are paid a subsidy to essentially live in tents, this problem will remain.

The reason they show up near the IPO is surely to lodge their asylum claim and in turn claim the subsidy.

Time to move the IPO office to the back of beyond and let them camp there if they wish.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119770#Comment_122119770

Are you insinuating that the majority of the country is racist, suvigirl?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119533#Comment_122119533

Now we see some of the hidden agendas coming out. So is this about protecting multi nationals investments in Ireland by being good little lap dogs to the EU??

Time to be like Denmark or Hungary for that matter and stand on our own feet. To hell with MNCs, all we're mostly doing there is allowing them to wash their profits through our tax system, getting a few extra bob and soon we'll be needing all this to support a flood of immigration. All the while beggaring our own young people and destroying our indigenous culture and way of things.

tobefrank321

Don't suppose Harris has the guts to call in the British Ambassador and protest at the dumping of migrants in Ireland which resulted from UK's Rwanda policy?

We don't need to be "good Europeans" with the British, since they aren't themselves.