Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207031#Comment_122207031

So you want to housing for all? Great aspiration, once you dismiss the ever expanding negative affects on our environment, culture, services and so on.

I heard some Green hopeful earlier saying we need all these lads in the tents, so they can climb onto roofs and fix solar panels and save the planet. I despair of the modern Greens when I think of the green philosophy of Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. Now Irish Greens think it's all about Inflate and Manufacture.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207346#Comment_122207346

About as credible as the O'Gorman tweets myth at this point.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205467#Comment_122205467

That's a fair comment. You could definitely accuse O'G of grandstanding or showing off - I'm not sure much was achieved by sending out those tweets.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122206864#Comment_122206864

whatever about that his flip flopping from no English to knowing all his numbers including 54 was quite impressive for a lad with presumably little or no education from Somalia.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205536#Comment_122205536

Whatever kind is very vague

Bobtheman

Is there a party out there who is both credible advocating a zero refugee policy?

The national party or Ireland first is not credible. Independent Ireland perhaps.

A lot of hot air on here. How many have taken part in a protest or joined a party? Or contributed

Nothing will change unless you vote for a party that is credible on immigration or get off your asses and join a party.

I did my time in the past

z80CPU

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207649#Comment_122207649

Well at least a party introducing Abortion into the mix.

Show them up as the two bit outfit they are.

Also any candidate who uses a foreign state flag as their background: Brid Smith

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207329#Comment_122207329

All true to an extent, as is the idea that political messaging has a measure of relevance in as far as it presents the impression of a destination country as particularly receptive to asylum seekers. The increase in Algerian nationals is an indication that asylum policy is contributing massively to the issue. One of the motivations that was omitted, however, is the potential to remain regardless of the validity of an asylum claim. A policy of deterrence consistent with the Danish model and emphasising an increased threshold for protection would be an effective remedy to that issue.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122177764#Comment_122177764

Interesting, then there is even less reason for reservations in massively restricting leave to remain.

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122206750#Comment_122206750

That fella will have a house before I will. I've to rent to put a roof over my head. I don't have a family to live with to save for a deposit. I am saving but it's a long road.

I could buy a house for 500k and end up living next door to this fella who has been provided a house by the local authority upon direction from the Govt who want these fellas hidden.

I've worked hard, built a good career that is specialised and in demand. I pay 1300 in tax a week and all I am is a person to pay for nonsense hotel contracts and an over budget monstrosity of a children's hospital.

I'll take my money elsewhere. This country doesn't want me and many like me.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207830#Comment_122207830

Besides whinging about it here what are you doing about this??

Fitzy149

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207649#Comment_122207649

Yes but as you say yrself - there isnt a party to vote for. Choices are limited to none .. are there no savvy Irish ,(legal) folk out there who can start a new party .. is the idea not even worth entertaining ??

Bobtheman

I still firmly believe that unless there are clearly anti immigration candidates elected this election it's over.

On the immigration question it will be over.

The Irish electorate will once again show itself to the idiots who voted FF in 1977. Bankrupting Ireland and voted for the idiots again 1997 onwards.

Castration would be too kind

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207949#Comment_122207949

I'm going to vote accordingly. And I've also talked to canvassers from Goverment parties and let them know where I stand. I've send emails to my representatives.

Btw I don't blame the immigrants one bit. I don't believe in labeling them like some scumbags do. Of course they will take the opportunities. I blame very poor policy and Governance by the people we have elected who have failed in their most basic mandate. Keeping the state secure.

Headshot

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0531/1452381-homeless-figures-ireland/

It really breaks my heart to see these homeless Irish while this government is moving heaven and earth for illegals while our own people rot away feeling like they have no future

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207381#Comment_122207381

Touched a nerve, eh? You should admit that the policies & strategies you promote are contributing to the problem. That this is the language of the Céad Míle Fáilte extended to one and all. Of course, it's logical that traffickers tune into this, they want places where they can offload people and get minimum grief back. Why would they go for countries where official hostility is in their faces. Thanks to the support gladly given by those of the disposition you agree with, they look at Ireland and think ..suckers.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207949#Comment_122207949

What's your own solution? Build houses for all? Must be better than that.

As regards voting, I'll be voting Independent all the way and not a tick for rest of the h***s.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122208495#Comment_122208495

Human trafficking is illegal in all the EU countries

Obviously here in Ireland

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/10/28/duo-charged-in-donegal-court-with-human-trafficking-and-money-laundering/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0611/1227624-human-trafficking-case/

https://www.thejournal.ie/monaghan-haulier-ronan-hughes-refused-bail-5087995-Apr2020/

Kermit.de.frog

Absolutely delighted to see the tents appearing in the heart of Ballsbridge today and delighted for those residents in particularly who have stood strong for diversity.

Oh sorry, hang on, they thought diversity wouldn't arrive at their doorsteps and it was for poorer neighbourhoods.

We'll see who the real intolerant people are in the coming days (probably hours) .

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207649#Comment_122207649

A 'zero refugee' strategy is not credible, not unless we want to become North Korea or something. Where would we deport all asylum arrivals to? There would be no obligation on any other country to accept our deportees.

B2021M

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207393#Comment_122207393

So do you not think it raises concerns about his competence?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122208720#Comment_122208720

I think in the general scheme of things, it wasn't a massive error. You'd have to think there was a fair amount of politicking and gamesmanship when right wing independents and Gript etc started raising the tweets as an issue in 2023. Asylum arrivals were always going to shoot up after 2022 - they're up everywhere across Europe, not just Ireland.

boredyooser

The Canal " Volenteer " Lady:

It appears from the poster desperately trying to shut down discussion about this indivual, that the definition of a " volenteer " is simply an innocent, harmless, niave humanitarian with no political agenda " just making somebody;s day better "

This is news to me, because as far as I remember, every IRA member was a volenteer. As were members of the Loyalist paramilitaries. As were the Europeans who flocked to Spain in the 1930s. As are leafleters for various political parties. Various human rights lawyers give free assistance, would this make them " Volenteers " ? Organisations are known to " Astroturf " where their activities are described as grass roots activity by the " local community " or " concerned residents " to try and divert attention from the fact that professionals are behind the scenes. The British often refer to " military advisers " assisting some African country, when we know it is the SAS, as the American's do when we know it is the CIA,.

" Volenteer " and " helping " are such nice fuzzy, feel good words. Who could possibly have a heart of stone to question their motives ( or connections, or who they are astroturfing a front for ? )

This " Volenteer " is an EXTREMELY experienced professional in the Ayslum / Immigration industries. This " Volenteer " is EXTREMELY well connected in the world of Asylum and Immigration. This " Volenteer " has a MASSIVE digital footprint going back nearly a decade, organising meetings and confere nces, issuing press releases, giving quotes to the irish media as far back as 2017.

They have no agenda, no professional interest, and are simply trying to make somebody's day better ?

They are more like the CIA in Central America.

B2021M

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122208729#Comment_122208729

Did he not send the tweets in 2021?

mr67stag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122204756#Comment_122204756

Its is entirely incorrect, You can chance the constitution its called an amendment been done 20 +times since 1937

Its simply plain wrong to say you cant change the constitution.

The whole point of a constitution is to have rules underlined in law by the the constitution.

We have a written document but many countries like UK have an unwritten constitution which is much more difficult to change.

Bring on the migration amendment whats to fear the people are sovereign and democracy rules

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207266#Comment_122207266

I’d imagine word of mouth among their peers would be a factor. Up until now at least when we’ve ran out of proper accommodation. I’m an electrician working mostly in big pharma and data centre projects and the sites particularly in Dublin have seen a huge increase in over seas workers in the last 12 months. A lot of Georgians in particular. They seem a good bunch in general actually. I’ve been mixing between a few sites in Dublin and a couple of sites in Limerick and cork over the last 12 months. Definitely a lot higher percentage of overseas lads in Dublin as far as I can see. All Eastern European. Very few African or Middle Eastern lads onSites in my experience. Maybe the visas are different?

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122205700#Comment_122205700

Lets see how long people can't be deported. Third country processing to nearby countries would be worse for most illegal immigrants than deportation to their own country.

A solution to illegal immigration will be found one way or the other. Then the Government here can get back to governing Ireland rather than playing whack a mole with a bunch of chancers.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207111#Comment_122207111

As someone who lived in Santry for 4 years, I can tell you there was plenty of anti-social behaviour and crime in Ballymun at least in those days. AGS could confirm this if you for some reason doubt that Ballymun has more crime per capita than Foxrock but they'd have to hide their laughter while doing this request.

To say otherwise is just simply nonsense. From your posting history i can seen that you're not too interested in facts and evidence more in whataboutery and deflection.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122208682#Comment_122208682

We use our multi billion Euro foreign aid budget to reward some African countries for processing our AS in a safe third country. Once this policy is announced, you will find that there won't be any tents at all to be seen anywhere in Dublin.

They will all be gone to any other EU country that has a slightly better deal. Once everyone wakes up to the scam, then we won't need to worry about this problem anymore.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122209042#Comment_122209042

I'm all about facts. Which is why I point out this is a prejudiced view by posters who know nothing about different crimes, or where they take place.

AGS supply those very crime figures that would indeed show different crimes at different rates in different areas. It's simply nonsense for you, or anyone else to decide there is more crime in one area over another based on prejudice and nothing more.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207830#Comment_122207830

Oh the country more than wants people like me and you, they need us. They couldn’t afford the nonsense without the likes of me and you. They just want us to shut up and pay.