Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276555#Comment_120276555

England and Wales only : the Scots and Northern Irish were overruled by the wishes of right wing English nationalism.

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277196#Comment_120277196

Corbyn was anti EU in reality too. Guess he must have been a right winger

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277196#Comment_120277196

Right wing nationalism has a hefty dose of patriotism, the most patriotic Americans are flag waving GOP voters

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120276555#Comment_120276555

as mentioned it’s far from uniform over there. Go around London , Birmingham etc and you’ll find the majority (especially under 35) are far from patriotic.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277216#Comment_120277216

Some truth in that, but the left wing (i.e. far left) leavers were somewhat incidental especially as they didn't openly campaign to leave. Brexit was always a right wing English project.

I was reading today that pollsters think one of the main reasons Brexit has started to lose credibility in Britain is because so many of its leaders have been exposed as corrupt or incompetent. To keep this ontopic, this does raise questions for the whole anti-refugee movement in Britain - the likes of Priti Patel and Suella Braverman are likely to be booted from office at the next general election, along perhaps with the messiah Johnson.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277255#Comment_120277255

Like the ones who tried to overthrow the government?

Your understanding of patriotism seems to be the complete literal opposite of what it actually is.

Floppybits

Very disappointing to read some of the comments above about patriotism, maybe they are just there as a wind up to get a reaction or maybe it is just the usual labelling and pigeon holing people to suit someones agenda.

I don't think patriotism is bad, there is nothing wrong with loving your country and wanting to see it prosper and grow and become a place where you want to stay and raise a family. There is nothing wrong with that, I am sure some of the people posting on here who are not from Ireland probably feel the same about their country and look forward to moving back there one day, I know I did when I lived away for a decade or so.

As part of loving a country you also want to see that country safe and being run well so that as I said it can grow and prosper. To do that we do immigration, we do need people coming here and I do not see a problem with country, any country, having set criteria for people who want to come, live and work here and anyone that meets that criteria are very welcome and anyone that doesn't should be sent back to where they came from, same goes for any Irish people who over stay visa's in other countries and become illegal there, when caught they should be sent home.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277329#Comment_120277329

Perhaps but take the armed forces, most Irish people have little regard for the status of our armed forces, while not to the level of deference it holds in America, the army still has strong pride of place in the UK , the British have a very strong sense of nationhood, I would say along with France , the strongest in Europe and certainly stronger than us ( again that is often for both good and ill )

Thelonious Monk

Have a look on Twitter and other social media to see what describing yourself as an "Irish Patriot" means nowadays.

What even is real patriotism anyway? Loving the current government administration? Or some romantic notion of our revolutionary past? It has always been a ridiculous concept to me.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278350#Comment_120278350

Is this a wind up attempt?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278368#Comment_120278368

I have no idea why you'd think I'm trying to wind anyone up

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120277881#Comment_120277881

What in the world is wrong with you? This is twice now you've made bizarre posts on boards about women who don't share your worldview. You made similar accusations of a poster on here, with literally no evidence. You honestly seem to hold contempt for women who don't agree with you, so much so that you claim that they aren't real.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278382#Comment_120278382

I'm talking about the many blokes pretending to be women on Irish Twitter. All you need to do is Google some of the pictures they use, they're either fake AI pictures or pictures of random women they've stolen from the internet.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278376#Comment_120278376

Well because you are lumping anyone that has a love for this country in with some extremists Patriotism is not one or the other, those extremists may think they are being patriotic, I don't think so and I would be confident most folks on here would agree with me. But I am not lumping everyone in with them because I love the country. Are the people who will be shouting on the Irish Rugby team or Soccer teams asol like those?

You think one way and you seem to think that everyone must seem to think like you. You think patriotism is ridiculous and some of the carry can be but there is still nothing wrong with people loving their country.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278387#Comment_120278387

You did the same to a poster on here with zero evidence, so I'll be remaining very sceptical.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278398#Comment_120278398

It's obvious that there are many fake accounts involved with these types on twitter. You'd have to be an idiot not to see it.

https://twitter.com/AnGobanSaor/status/1373780157119533059

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278398#Comment_120278398

yeah true, i did accuse someone here, i had been on twitter too much. have quit it since.

Backstreet Moyes

I love the way it's always the extreme from a certain cohort of the left.

You are a patriot or love your country and your then a racist and homophobe.

You can be best friends with a gay person and get on very well with legal immigrants You work with.

But your a far right racist and homophobe because you disagree with illegals with homophobic views and racists from foreign countries coming into Ireland.

In the real world away from social media and group think the world is different.

You can have gay friends, immigrant friends and be against importing illegal immigrants.

In fact these legal immigrants can disagree with allowing illegals into the country.

It doesn't make you far right it makes you someone with sensible views.

The majority of the people just want sensible immigration policies.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278457#Comment_120278457

Well I couldn't care less if they made the immigration system to Ireland far stricter, I was just making the point that the people identifying as these Irish Patriot types on Irish social media with their profile picture being Michael Collins etc. tend to be the far right loonies you've mentioned there. Of course there are plenty of good people with reasonable views on immigration too.

bokale

When people refer to illegal immigrants / illegals in Ireland what does it mean exactly? And is it a definition aligned with laws we have in ireland?

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278163#Comment_120278163

You don't recognise satire or in plain words it's a wind up !!

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278543#Comment_120278543

Also when they refer to so called no go zones in other countries, do they realise how many no go zones there are here? I'm not venturing into a lot of places in dublin at night myself.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278543#Comment_120278543

Anyone illegally in Ireland can become legal by claiming asylum. When your case is finally heard you will most likely be allowed to stay .Few get deportation orders unless you commit a crime or the case is totally unfounded. Then you become illegal and are required to self deport in most cases .You can remain in the hope that another amnesty will be available in the future.

high_tower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278543#Comment_120278543

It’s what they are now calling “undocumented persons”. So if you’ve arrived with no Visa or if you’ve overstayed your visa then you’re illegal. So basically all the chancers arriving who aren’t ukranian.

Ireland has a pathetic system of dealing with this where you can sit in direct provision for years doing unlimited appeals until eventually the gov gives in and naturalises you. So in Ireland it doesn’t really matter as there’ll never actually deport you. Which is why it’s now such a magnet

bells of shandon

When a foreigner enteres a country with out visa or passport or ID,he is a criminal. His intentions are suspect.

When the Govt allows this, it is treasonous and an attack on the safety and security if its Citizens/

When a Minister advertises world wide in several languages, as did Rodieric O'Gorman for people to come to Ireland and offers welfare and own key housing after 4 months, it is discrimination agains the native homeless of Ireland.

When the Irish State has a Health/Hospital crisis, a Housing crisis , an Education place crisis, a monumental debt to the ECB . It is an attack on the Citizens well being ,that resources are misdirected in Fake Altruism to the Citizens detriment.

A Govt in a Republic is elected by the Citizens to primarily concern themselves with the safety and security of its own Citizens. Any other agends make the Govt unfit for purpose.

Hodger

I haven't directly commented on the ongoing protests, one thing is for definite there are those who extreme viewpoints on both sides for example when you look at the profile timelines of some of those involved with the protests they are opposed to all immigration in general. Take that viewpoint vs the other extreme viewpoint " no borders " that's the banners some displayed at last Saturday's protest. I wouldn't agree with neither of these two extreme viewpoints, one viewpoint I definitely do agree with is this chant " no passport no entry "

https://twitter.com/EgoEire/status/1628468582395830272

As anyone who has ever travelled abroad will know is you are required to bring and show your passport when entering another country, there is nothing " fascist " or " racist " about being required to show your passport this is just common sense.

Now take into account the reports in the media that over 5.000 people arrived last year without valid travel documents.

Over 5,000 asylum seekers arriving last year had no valid travel documents | Newstalk

This is what the " no passport no entry " chants are referring to which I would agree on that viewpoint there. After the vaccination programme was rolled out two years ago we can all remember having to display a covid cert / document in order to socialise indoors whether it was going for drinks or going to a restaurant it was mandatory to have that document for basic socialising for a good few months, given such strict criteria was placed on people given the covid cert / document, the criteria regarding passports that most countries have, should be strictly enforced at all of our airports.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278557#Comment_120278557

One man's no go zone etc!

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278632#Comment_120278632

Is it just semantics though? I mean let's say the govt close that loop somehow and put a rule in place that people with no passport are immediately put on the next plane to the departure airport. In order to avoid the scenario, what's to stop them arriving from another EU country as a tourist and then losing their passport the next day and claiming asylum in Dublin city etc? They can say they came in on a container or whatever. What's the difference?

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278632#Comment_120278632

That would effect asylum seekers who cannot attain passports though.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120278721#Comment_120278721

How would someone with no passport get here from the countries that are affected like those in Africa or Middle East? Do they walk? That is a long way to go with no passport, how many countries to get through before landing here?