Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410241#Comment_122410241

Should these rules you speak of also apply to the Irish abroad?

I mean, you talk about Irish migrants mainly contributing to the countries where they are based — which is largely true — but well educated / well trained Irish migrants also means Irish migrants getting well-paid jobs which then throws them directly into the mix in competition with native Australians, Americans, Londoners etc. While refugees put pressure on certain elements of the lower end of the property markets, educated / trained Irish migrants abroad are participating in the same level of the market as educated / train natives who may then find themselves locked out of the market.

Of course, this is only one facet of the complex ways in which migration yields both benefits and negatives but I have found on these discussions that people tend to be nuance-sensitive when the migrants in question are of the Irish variety.

Tenzor07

Except the thread here is about Refugees coming to Ireland claiming asylum.

If Irish people are emigrating it's because they've gotten all their documentation, qualifications, job applications/interviews, Visa applications and background checks all done before they arrive into another country and are in a position to sustain themselves with financial resources in case of an issue. Australia and places like Dubai actively seek Irish educated Teachers, medical staff and Police officers as they know it will be a seamless fit for jobs in these areas.

This is in complete contrast to what we have arriving here daily on our streets in Ireland.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411082#Comment_122411082

Yes they should - not really a complicated idea.

I think everyone would be happy with an actual immigration policy that worked.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410583#Comment_122410583

Great post.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411127#Comment_122411127

Well hold on a second here, the post I responded to referred to foreigners coming to Ireland and eventually purchasing property — which would invariably mean that they are likely to be working / capable of supporting themselves.

Irish migrants are able to come into a country on high salary and capable of renting relatively high quality property and, if it comes to it, capable of competing with native working / middle class people for purchasing properties which all contributes into property prices remaining inflated. This is one of the major downsides to the "only the best and brightest" policies of right leaning parties who will eventually vilify the best and brightest migrants when they start out-earning and out-bidding native people.

If the poster's suggestion of restricting the ability of migrants in Ireland to purchase property was reciprocated against Irish migrants working abroad, then any Irish migrant thinking of purchasing property abroad would need to come home — and then become yet another addition to the demand which then drives prices upwards in Ireland.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411304#Comment_122411304

Possibly a different thread there though really.

The vast number of IPA's coming into Ireland/Europe are from third world countries, are undocumented, trafficked in by people smugglers, a complete contrast to regular immigration which i am sure most people have no issue with.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411082#Comment_122411082

Yes, it should, and I'm not up to speed on the rules and regulations regarding Irish people and jobs and property purchasing rights in Australia or Canada or the US.....but something tells me it's a little tougher than here!

And if a nation can help real, genuine asylum seekers, enable skilled workers succeed in their own countries, and also allow skilled workers from outside that country to improve their lives while contributing to that country, how bad?

But to answer your question, no countries inhabitants should be negatively effected from outsiders. Maybe if we got our own **** together, our people wouldn't need to "take" jobs or houses in other countries. But we're not interested in that here. Let them go, we've replacements on the way!

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122410930#Comment_122410930

Well said, help people where practical. Helping so many, plenty of whom are likely to be exploiting our systems, or lack of, while at the same time destroying your own country isn't the answer.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411328#Comment_122411328

Indeed — though I don't think it's refugees outbidding Irish couples on the 500k 3 bed in Leixlip.

RoyalCelt

What'll end up happening is Irish and European citizens will get so fed up we'll end up with a Union wide zero refugee/IPA policy like Denmark who themselves want to go a step further by paying people to leave.

And that's a shame because another Syrian type war will break out and these people won't allowed in. All because we accepted huge amounts of Georgians, Nigerians, Albania's, Algeria's just to name a few.

Terrier2023

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411873#Comment_122411873

not its the vulture funds for Blackrock & Vanguard the guardians and money men of the WEF & their dystopian plans

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411899#Comment_122411899

Don't forget George Soros and the Lizard People too

RoyalCelt

Lads what does Gript actually stand for or is it just a catchy name?

https://gript.ie/hello-mary-lou-goodbye-trust/

Good article here. You won't see this angled peddled by MSM.

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411897#Comment_122411897

Another problem with mass immigration and the taking in of so many asylum seekers, perhaps overlooked, is that their conflicts come with them!

suvigirl

Accidental post. Deleted

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411363#Comment_122411363

But you seem to be advocating in favour of two positions that are entirely contradictory. If you want migrants who contribute etc then it seems odd to me to also treat them punitively when it comes to buying property when it's obvious that buying a property requires you to be earning a decent wage and to have the finances/documentation required by a bank in order to secure a mortgage. It would seem to me to be a very odd form of social contract to encourage the intake of highly skilled migrants who can contribute to the economy, but also subject them to punitive measures that make it harder for them to actually reap the benefits inherent of being a contributing member of society (i.e. buying their own property).

Finally, to say that no country's inhabitants should be negatively affected by 'outsiders' is unfortunately just not a realistic way of looking at the world. For example, you cannot on the one hand laud the benefits of skilled migrants (including lauding the contribution of Irish migrants abroad) while also seemingly pretending that we can also have a world where their presence is always kept within some parameter that they be permanently and invariably disadvantaged at every turn to ensure that at no point can they ever buy a property before a native person, avail of a service before a native person, have a school place for their child over native parents' children. To think otherwise is simply not realistic.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411915#Comment_122411915

From that article

"Sinn Fein still stands with the Government, not the community"

Perfectly summed up

Referendum all over again

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122411995#Comment_122411995

Well then it's a good job I'm not in Government isn't it? Imagine the mess if that was the case......oh wait.

I'm for common sense and fairness and against the exploitation of our country by those in it and those entering it.

If we can reasonably help others while helping our own brilliant. The first shouldn't take precedence over the latter. It's really not that difficult.

moonage

It might be more appropriate to refer to all these migrant centres as barracks.