Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

baldbear

In the UK you can apply to work after 12 months if a decision has not been made regarding your application. In Ireland it is 5 months.

So I bet my last Euro if an international applicant works after the 5 months they will receive free state provided accomodation in a IPAS centre, food,don't have to pay bills and get a medical card.

We are making it so attractive for economic migrants to come here abuse our asylum system. It is so infuriating for law abiding citizens paying their taxes. Our elderly relatives can't get the carers hours they deserve but yet we throw millions at sharks refurbishing buildings to house people abusing our good nature.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452850#Comment_122452850

This thread moves fast. How am I to know you replied at all if you don't use Quote button.

Good for you. What did your TDs say about the problems?

giseva

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452803#Comment_122452803

Oh I have don't worry. The irreversible damage is long done and this idiot is patting himself in the back…..let me have my anger!

Pathetic? You're just assuming posters haven't voiced they're concerns to their TDs.

Maybe ministers do read this, I bet their staff do.....who knows, maybe you're Roderic!

Tenzor07

I see Italy has managed to open a migrant centre in Albania, and seems to be the way some EU countries, Denmark included will deal with the migration issue by processing asylum claims in a 3rd country… Would take the pressure off EU states to provide accommodation for migrants who arrive here to claim asylum.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452890#Comment_122452890

What was the response?

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452842#Comment_122452842

100%

These types of policy matters are decided at a cabinet level, the idea that O' Gorman has somehow went behind the cabinet and went rogue is ridiculous.

FF/FG own the immigration mess just as equally as the Greens.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452131#Comment_122452131

You seem to have assumed that deciding who is and isn't eligible for asylum is a quite straightforward process.

Why then do so many cases get overturned, often after lengthy appeal?

If it can take that long for our well educated legal professionals to decide who meets the criteria, how can you expect some lad in war torn Sudan to just somehow know?

I'm not claiming there are a large amount of genuine errors, I wouldn't know, nor would you, but the fact there are some makes it plainly inaccurate to label people 'bogus' or 'chancers'

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452880#Comment_122452880

It must be doubly infuriating for immigrants who have come here after jumping through whatever hoops are required to get a visa to work here only for these chancers, and that is what they are chancers, to bypass those hoops and not only that they get state support on top of it.

Sure what's the point in a visa system at all if this is the case?

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452888#Comment_122452888

On the occasions I’ve gotten a response it has been the usual “international obligations”, or “it’s been found that international applicants integrate well and are an asset to their area” (paraphrasing)

In reality there are fewer places for people to turn to. And very little appetite to even try to fix this

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452905#Comment_122452905

I certainly don’t think it’s the fault of one individual. It’s all of them. That being said it doesn’t mean people can’t be angry with individuals either. Individually and together they are to blame

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452791#Comment_122452791

Chill out man.

Look you made mistake calling the Crusades a place but I imagine it's because you're bashing away angrily without thinking much.

If you meant that Ireland is like the Middle East during the crusades I still don't follow your analogy. Are the immigrants to Ireland the Christians coming from Europe?

Don't worry I 'took' plenty from your post.

A few queries -

This was the 3rd time this week that Immigrants were found harassing young, solitary girls in Galway.

Care to elaborate on where these figures are from?

…trip to Supervalue. Ask the manger how immigration has effected his business.

Care to elaborate?

Jack Daw

So people are told not to protest and use legal means to stop their communities being destroyed.They do that and it's proven to be useless.

Fact is if a building is designated as a hotel and was given planning permission to be built in the first place as a hotel then that is all it should be allowed for.

It's amazing that the government seems to bow to the strictest planning regulations whenever development of housing for Irish people occurs and developments get held up for years but as soon as the opportunity to dump refugees into hotels comes along planning permission and zoning etc can be overridden just like that.

Anyone who thinks that it is a good idea to place 300 hundred people into a village of 250 people is an idiot.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452803#Comment_122452803

You should try email a TD about anything - its an eye opener.

Massive assumption to think Roderic will be gone. The champagne socialists in Dublin could very well vote him back in. All the greens need is to hold a seat or two and depending how FF/FG do, he could easily find himself back in government.

bloopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452625#Comment_122452625

It is not just the house prices that have gone nuts.

Looking through daft, our county has about 15 places to rent.

Basic 1 bed 1980's kitchen extensions are going for at least 1000 euro per month, regardless of location.

Actual houses are 2000-2500 per month, again regardless of location.

Buying a house is out of reach now for a lot of families, and rental is gone the same. It is a slow motion disaster and will generate a lot of resentment.

Desperate people will not care who they blame as long as they blame someone. What we see now are just the cracks in social cohesion.

If the government has to resort to buying or renting from the private market in a big way, then it will break proper.

Peter Flynt

In the Ireland 2040 plan, released by the government, it states "By 2040 we expect that an additional
one million people will live in Ireland……"

Virtually all of these extra 1m people will be immigrants.

The politicians like to blame the EU with the slogan "international obligations" but it is the policy of FF/FG/GP and others (mainly those on the left) to support this mass immigration.

No one emphasised this than Roderic O'Gorman when he sent a tweet out in various languages to people across the world telling them to come to Ireland. So how can we have complaints when these people take him up on his and the governments offer?

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452425#Comment_122452425

"The High Court was asked to decide if the failure to provide accommodation to newly arrived asylum seekers is unlawful and a breach of their right to dignity under Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights which centres on human dignity."

Consequently this must also apply to the hundreds of thousands of hidden homeless Irish people?

Peter Flynt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453238#Comment_122453238

The government is effectively renting for many (Irish and foreign) under the Housing Assistance Payment (HAP). Ukrainians are entitled to an extra €800 per month in addition to HAP.

Rents are extraordinarily high because the government are using taxpayers money to keep them high. It is complete corruption designed to funnel money into the hands of landlords.

Yet there are many entitled to nothing - no HAP or Ukrainian money - and they get nothing. No apartments offered to them. And guess what? They're paying for it all.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452960#Comment_122452960

If my salary was directly correlated with the number of hours it took me to complete a task, it would take me as long as I could sensibly justify

Thorny Queen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453238#Comment_122453238

Completely agree…The only way we could afford our forever home is we were able to rent locally in what I would call substandard accommodation but with low rent but at least allowed us to also save for a deposit. These properties are now €1600+ per month to rent here and they're old, cold and crap.

I have full empathy to families and young people who are now trying to rent and save for a deposit. It's criminal.

This government I loathe with all my being.

prunudo

I still suspect that ROG is being set up by both FG and FF to be the fall guy for the immigration policies. Whether they are in it together, I'm not sure, but both parties are putting distance between themselves and immigration, MM and FF are particularly quiet about it.

ROG is front and centre on this, with Harris weighing in every so often but he is the Taoiseach so not unexpected.

Given Micheal Rings comments, maybe its finally starting to hit home that this a serious issue.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453013#Comment_122453013

Do the government think that saying "We don't give a crap, it's happening anyway" is going to wash with the protesters?

More and more people are going to wade in and suddenly it will start becoming scary.

Thorny Queen

Another consequence in my local area of taking in so many refugees and housing them in hotels, B&Bs, hostels and tourist accommodation is that there is little to no accommodation here for tourists but they still want to come.

It is now much more lucrative to put private accommodation up on Air B&B, which has taken a huge amount of private rental accomm out of the market. I couldn't believe amount of houses up in my local area.

Along with the amount of private rental accommodation given over to house refugees and their families.

Along with the Mica housing crisis.

Along with overtourism and too many holiday homes with no regulation here.

I feel for 'normal' people trying to have a basic life in this country. The born and breds.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453304#Comment_122453304

It's total delinquency.

The sheet volume of examples of fallacious policies is outstanding.

Increase the population of a tiny island by importing unprecedented amounts of people within the blink of an eye, thereby predictably putting infrastructure into a tailspin.

An economic model that can seemingly only exist with neverendingly increasing numbers of migrants, not to mention that said economy is doing nothing of intended purpose such as improving infrastructure.

Taxpayer money being funnelled, essentially, into private hands due to lack of infrastructure to obscene degree's.

Evidently no promised improvement to infrastructure due to mass migration, measurably worse outcomes across the board whether it be the efficiency of healthcare provision or the constantly falling behind housing provision.

Importing more and more people into minimum wage jobs, thereby suppressing wages, thereby turning local people off that employment, thereby "validating" the importation of even more people. A tailspin of failure.

Allowing the already shockingly sparse council housing be open to anyone from everywhere during the worst housing crisis ever.

Barrelling more migrants into areas outright hostile to their placement, regardless of everything else circling the drain and the existing, growing anger.

70% to 90% of the country regularly polling as against current immigration in one form or another, with zero political acknowledgement.

Irish towns becoming ethnic minorities in the twinkling of an eye, such as currently in dundrum, Tipperary.

Its history in the making!

Whatever kind of explosion this results in, the last 10 or so years are without doubt going in the history books as the most delinquent, socially destabilising periods in Irelands existence. Flabbergasting delinquency driven by nothing other than greed.

The result of cute hoorism allowed go global.

wovay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453434#Comment_122453434

I've said it already, but I'll say it again quickly.

The mini event ongoing in tipperary is exemplary.

They have peacefully protested daily since the month of May. They have engaged with Ipas. They have had their businesses protest through withholding Council rates. They have tried to obtain legal injunction.

Nothing. All that effort has resulted in nothing because according to the government, those 300 odd migrants are going in your town of 170 no matter what.

Now, with that reality in play, all avenues exhausted, where do people turn next?

It is entirely fair to say that it is incitement to violence. For anyone who thinks otherwise, just answer the question "where do people turn next?"

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453461#Comment_122453461

Firstly I don't speak for protesters as I am not one, but there is a lot of public anger about the way this is being heaped on communities. Maybe the Government will get away with this because you can only push the protest so far as you say.

That's what they hope anyway.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453432#Comment_122453432

His constituency is going to 5 seats so he can probably get back on 10% of the vote

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452375#Comment_122452375

bang on.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452983#Comment_122452983

Keep emailing them. Get others to do the same. It does help.

And don't vote for the ones that talk crap or don't reply.

And don't vote for opportunistic head-the-balls either.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453132#Comment_122453132

I am forever emailing TDs about national stuff. From 3 email addresses. It does help. You have to write them well - with less of the emotive drama & helplessness that I read on this thread.

Roderic will not be the minister for immigration. 100% guaranteed. Even the greens are not that stupid.

ultraviolence

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453507#Comment_122453507

Correct dublin west is going to 5 seats but in the local elections, the green vote dropped.

Across the 3 Local Electoral Areas in Dublin West, Greens received 1.2k first preference votes (roderic received 3.7k fpv votes in 2019, thats how dramatic the green vote dropped in the locals!)

Castleknock LEA - 1015 , Ongar LEA - 203 , Blanch-Mul LEA - 95 (first pref votes across the 3 electoral areas in the 2024 locals- not enough green voters for roderic to win back his seat)

So if the local election results are anything to go by, i dont think roderic will be winning back his seat considering the green party only got 1.2k votes in the locals.

He also relied on sinn fein transfers in ge2020 which wont be happening this time especially if sinn fein run a 2nd candidate. I also think his name being attached to all of this migration stuff will not help him as its just been negative in the media these past 2 years.