Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607063#Comment_120607063

Both are bizarre.

A poster suggested Ukrainians going to safe parts of Ukraine where Ukrainans are going about life as normal.

You compared it to Hitler wiping out Jews.

Explain to me the similarities?

The other is also ridiculous but obviously not as ridiculous as the first.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607164#Comment_120607164

Go on so, please tell me what my immigration views are. As blunt as you want. You can use all my posts to backup your claim.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606849#Comment_120606849

I have zero refugees and I have zero intention of taking in any. What's your point and what do you think my views are?

I leave this thread from time to time because it's boring and I have so much NGO stuff to do! 😂

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606811#Comment_120606811

What strawman argument?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607199#Comment_120607199

See the thing is there are no "safe parts of Ukraine where Ukrainans are going about life as normal."

So in effect by sending the asylum seekers there they would be effectively sent to their death just for being Ukrainian. Hitler sent Jews to their death for being Jewish.

If you don't understand it by now you probably won't ever understand it

What is ridiculous about my second point? In case you weren't listening I was pointing out the racist undertones of a poster quoting rapist Algerians as not wanting Algerians living nearby... To me the poster is assuming all Algerians are rapists

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120606210#Comment_120606210

Has any poster here got any idea of the average sq foot of housing per person in your typical. Third world house and specifically where most of these refugees come from? IMO it would be at least a quarter of what it is in ireland. In other words, if that is the case - and the Magowna houses are, say , three bedroom Ed, then as per third world standards , each house should be able to accommodate 12 individuals.

so we should not be flying this particular flag as an issue . I

It is a rough calculation and I have not accounted for the possible mix of different cultures but the big plus is they are not being shot at, there lives are not being threatened and they have a dry bed to lie on and are being fed.

it would be practically IMPOSSIBLE to have all the ducks lined up before refugees arrive at any new accommodation. But once the most basic stuff is in place - eg bed, roof, food Then the remaining needs can be organised as time passes, the local rural bus service can be scheduled to service the road that the hotel is on. There are a plethora of such services through teach county. I understand that there are 27 residences on the road that is blocked so these residences could avail of the same service if needed.

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Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607231#Comment_120607231

No but I'm not going to assume all Algerians are rapists based on the actions of a small sample of them. That's racism

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607185#Comment_120607185

70 permanent male refugees is more than enough to tip the scale of a rural village of 200 people. 70 men who are fleeing questionable circumstances (often economic) with very little vetting. The gender imbalance is worrying enough alone, add that it's a quiet rural community with little to do, no jobs going, no driver licences, services etc. what are they going to do?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607185#Comment_120607185

Ask the locals beside the hotel in Killarney all the asylum seekers got stabbed in n the locals around the tinderbox that is citywest what do they care n to live their f#$king life.

I posted a link earlier about refugee crime in sweden, the genie is out of the bottle there, our window is narrowing rapidly.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607166#Comment_120607166

Let's not forget TD Crowe down there 'speaking on their behalf' either.

Some shocking hypocrisy from an FFG TD there.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607177#Comment_120607177

Quote the racist thing I've said please.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607230#Comment_120607230

Your pretence that I claimed that everyone with an alternative opinion is an NGO shill, followed up by the usual exaggerated bluster.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607260#Comment_120607260

yeah i still don't get it, someone got stabbed in a scuffle between themselves big deal. some handbags in citywest, big deal. maybe i'm just too much of a city boy to understand this stuff because in dublin the only thing you need to worry about are our own scumbags, no one worries about foreigners.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607264#Comment_120607264

There's an election next year, these lads want reelected. 500 likes from Twitter activists count for sod all at election time n this issue is gonna be a big one on the doorsteps methinks.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607236#Comment_120607236

"See the thing is there are no "safe parts of Ukraine where Ukrainans are going about life as normal.""

Yes there are. More than 80% of Ukraine has not been invaded or suffered any bombing or missile attacks.

"Refugees" fleeing most of Ukraine to come to Ireland is the equivalent of people fleeing Cork and Kerry during the troubles to travel to Venezuela to seek free housing, food, medical care and dole.

dmakc

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41041091.html

Genuine question - if found guilty of this offense, does this warrant deportation?

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607298#Comment_120607298

Definitely not. We can't send him back home and risk his feelings being hurt, or, god forbid, he might have to get a job and support himself.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607296#Comment_120607296

so why do you think they are leaving? just to get free stuff? why have so many of them gone to sh*tholes like Moldova if they could just go to another part of Ukraine?

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607316#Comment_120607316

Many are fleeing war. Most aren't. Do you know what the average wage in Ukraine is? Do you know how corrupt it is? Have you ever worked a **** low-paid job in a **** low-end city, in a **** corrupt country, maybe had a criminal conviction that stops you working at all, or have a mouth or two to feed that you rather you hadn't? Imagine if you then got the opportunity to go to a faraway land, where you didn't have to work, where you got paid to lounge around all day, where you had a roof over your head, 3 square meals a day, and not a worry of any description?

You'd be off like a shot, just like many of our guests were.

Cbumkin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607218#Comment_120607218

Ha, I have more things to be doing than going back checking your posts , and I only dip in here occasionally. But if you believe (as you seem to do) that we should have no limits on immigration, that we should continue to welcome every International Protection applicant who turns up on our shores and that we should prioritize their needs ahead of Irish and EU residents of this country, if you believe we can never say "NO" , that we must keep on saying Yes despite our schools , our health system, our transport system, our housing situation, in ever increasing crisis under the weight of numbers, our tourist industry hamstrung with so much previous tourist accommodation taken out of the system, then without a doubt you are a fully paid up member of the groupthink!

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607333#Comment_120607333

Yeah you're just 100% cynical about the whole thing and it's depressing that people like you are out there thinking Ukrainians are just coming to take taxpayers for a free ride. Many are here with their husbands fighting in the army, I'm sure they're only delighted to be in this situation.

"Not a worry of any description" and their country is being invaded and they're in a foreign land that speaks a different language with not much control over their own lives. Have you any experience of life at all? Would you ever f**k off.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607350#Comment_120607350

You're mistaking realism for cynicism.

As usual, you cannot debate, just bluster.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607357#Comment_120607357

whatever kind of twisted mind you have, not everyone coming from Ukraine just wants free money over everything. real people actually have links to land and family and want a happy life at home.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607338#Comment_120607338

Where did I say there should be no immigration limits?

I said it would be next to impossible to stop illegal immigration and that migration numbers across the EU would increase significantly due to climate change and other resource factors. The thread title is for a Zero policy. I ask how is that possible.

So where did I mention "no limits" in any fashion?

"As you seem to do"...Cowardly post with cowardly likes. Prove your claim sunshine. I expect you to run away...

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607364#Comment_120607364

Any indication of this, other than your imagination?

I have spoken to many Ukrainian "refugees" and what they have to say might surprise people like yourself. Like most eastern Europeans, they tend to be brutally honest.

I don't have any animosity towards these people, if I was in a similar situation myself, where I had little prospects, I too would probably leap at the chance for a life of leisure. I blame our government, and the NGO's who make money from this scam.

The long term consequences of allowing mass-scale scamming of Irelands welfare system cannot be overstated. People in real need will suffer because we let every chancer in the world come to the land of milk and honey.

It's unfortunate that people like yourself lack the foresight to see it.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607394#Comment_120607394

a life of leisure, seriously listen to yourself. oh and I'm sure you've spoken to loads of them yes, you come across as someone who is outgoing and open minded and knows a lot of people from all different backgrounds. like f*ck you do.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607415#Comment_120607415

More bluster. If you cannot debate, there's no point responding to you. Keep the pretend outrage going, I'm sure it works for you.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607415#Comment_120607415

What's wrong with calling a spade a spade here?

If Ireland was in the doldrums and I had to emigrate I'd probably go somewhere that was prepared to give me bed, board and out of pocket expenses while I found my feet.

These lads are playing the system and I'd do the exact same. I don't blame them.

But the system is broken in this country and no politician wants to admit it.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607443#Comment_120607443

the guy is saying ukrainian refugees are "so called" refugees and are taking the piss, i thought even boards.ie sympathised with the ukraine and its current plight but apparently not.

facehugger99

It's instructive to see some of the same usernames who brayed for billions to be spent by the Government on useless Covid-theatre measures for two and a half years are the same ones firmly behind yet more taxpayers money being flushed away on the latest 'virtue-signal du jour'.

I wonder what happens when these Social Justice Warriors run out of other people's money to spend?

The money we have burned over the last few years and continue to burn, could have transformed Irish society beyond recognition for our people and our descendants. Instead we will hand our kids one of the biggest debt-mountains in the western world - sorry kids, ye can figure out how to pay it all back and by the way, there's loads of us who'll need pensions at the same time - hope ye're ok with a 70% tax-rate?

The political and media discourse has been hijacked by ivory-tower, virtue-signalers and we have the most cowardly generation of politicians at the helm - don't worry though, they'll be just fine with their gold-plated pensions and cushy Eurocrat jobs.

We are making an absolute mess of our country and by the time most people wake up to that fact it will be far too late to do anything about it.

72sheep

Govmt's decades long obsequience to overseas funds created a housing crisis of such proportions that it attracted international attention

Govmt naturally fails to accommodate unbounded immigration - govmt "works hard" on this by giving tax payers money to overseas funds.

Govmt calls us all racists

Modern Ireland, eh!

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607236#Comment_120607236

So what is happening in parts of Ukraine where no war is going on?

Are hotels closed and people hiding in there houses?

Or are people going about life as normal.

Have a Google and educate yourself.

Sending Ukrainians to parts of Ukraine where no war is going on is the same as Hitler sending Jews to their death.

I honestly don't believe at this point that you are not on a wind up.

I certainly hope for your sake that you are.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607449#Comment_120607449

I never mentioned Ukraine. Wasn't referring to them at all.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607524#Comment_120607524

well as you can see, some posters think that those who think themselves in danger should just move to a different part of Ukraine.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607140#Comment_120607140

Well we certainly know despite what we are told that people are not fleeing a war in Georgia.

What we don't know is what they are fleeing, which is potentially a criminal conviction or God knows.

Why else would people be turning up without documentation.

0ph0rce0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607449#Comment_120607449

I'd say lots of them are taking the piss. The two who got taken in through the red cross behind us were here just over a year, never left the neighbours house bar the back garden and every Wednesday to go get some food from tesco with their free food card that got topped up every week., never even tried to look for work, never contributed a cent to the woman who took them in. They were married but declared themselves as single to get full rate social welfare each. Talked to them a few times over the wall and out the window, seemed like nice decent folks. They wanted to stay here to get the money and then they left a month ago for the UK to start a business with all the welfare money they saved. What business is that, I have no idea 🤷 but that was their plan from the beginning.

That's just one instance. I'm sure there's plenty more examples out there out of 80,000 or so.

A pure waste of taxpayers money.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607539#Comment_120607539

Tell me why moving to Ireland would make more sense than moving to a different part of your country not at war?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607560#Comment_120607560

maybe put yourself in their shoes, look at the situation in ukraine and ask yourself what you might do for your family and your own safety?

i would imagine most of the refugees come from endangered parts rather than other parts anyway

MrMusician18

The people's reasons for not wanting AS in Inch are their own and to be honest their reasons are irrelevant. People have every right to have a say in what happens and how the place on which they live changes. It's why we have planning law.

In a functioning democracy, these people should be able to feed into the decision making about what happens in their neighbourhood. What we have instead is AS being placed in communities with no notice or consultation, practically undercover.

They have three offices in Dublin ready to go but the govt are afraid to say where they are.

The govt need to find alternative locations for AS, to locate them where communities want them.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607336#Comment_120607336

You literally posted news articles about Algerian rapists and then proceeded to say this is what the locals in Clare are concerned about with having Asylum Seekers moving in

It's blatant racism and thankfully people with your mindset are a minority in this country

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607579#Comment_120607579

I am trying to put myself in there shoes.

Move to a safe part of your own country that you speak the language and kids can continue education.

Or move to Ireland where you don't speak the language and your kids are going to struggle with education.

I am sure there are more reasons for Ukrainians to move to safe parts of Ukraine instead of Ireland but that's the first that comes to mind.

Now you tell me why Ukrainians would move to Ireland over safe parts of their own country.

waterwelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607626#Comment_120607626

Are you going to link the racist things I've said please?

It's a serious allegation and I expect you to back it up.

Backstreet Moyes

What I don't understand is why the government are not moving these people to areas that want them.

The government can see where locals are protesting.

They can see for example the women from yesterday who was giving out cakes.

Why is she not pleading to move these people into her community where they will be safer?

waterwelly

Great to see them digging in down in Clare.

Hopefully it sets a precedent - consultation first.

Hopefully it gives more communities the confidence to speak out.

Minister for Integration Roderic O'Gorman has told Clare TDs and senators that it is not an option to close a hotel in Inch, Co Clare housing asylum seekers.

Local people want the hotel, which is around 8km from Ennis, closed to asylum seekers and say this is the only resolution satisfactory to them.

-RTE.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607640#Comment_120607640

Because ireland are offering help and the future of their country is completely uncertain? There are nuclear plants on the brink there too wouldn't be too keen living with that myself.

marno21

The impact Roderic O’Gorman is permitted to have on the electoral prospects of multiple Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael TDs in marginal constituencies in the next election is absolutely astonishing.

I’ve never seen the likes of it before in this country

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607654#Comment_120607654

That's it exactly. The government should not be forcing communities to accept asylum seekers. They should be placing them only where they are wanted and welcome.

Simple as that really.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607658#Comment_120607658

If they can move to safe parts of Ukraine then why would they need help from ireland?

Which parts of Ukraine where no war is going on have nuclear plants?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607645#Comment_120607645

My post was in relation to frankfurillo (below) I know it's not easy to keep up

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607159#Comment_120607159

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120607715#Comment_120607715

So you don't think any Ukrainians should need to leave because you have deemed there are safe parts? I personally would want to GTFO of the country in its current predicament.