Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122591547#Comment_122591547

I am very touched by your concern for warehouse businesses in Ireland and their labour costs.

Going by your logic, we can increase migration further until we have so much labour that warehouse operatives are on minimum wage.

Why stop at warehouse workers either? We can saturate the economy with migrant labour until an even greater minority of workers are on minimum wage.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593226#Comment_122593226

Going by your logic small businesses shouldn't exist and all business should pay 100k to everyone . There's a real lack of living in the real world from a lot of people on this thread.

thereiver

david williams said on brendan o,connor show today, immigration is ok for any country but IT has to be matched by increased services in housing medical services infrastructure .

we are short of doctors teachers nurses housing .young people are leaving .

i say you cannot have rapid increase in population and expect no problems .

you cant pour 2 pints into a one pint bottle .

britain has the same problem hence labours plan to increase taxs on everything to balance the budget .

its a catch 22 ,we need 1000s of builders but theres no where for them to live

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593289#Comment_122593289

Im sure these benefit tourists are going to be here building houses alright.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593285#Comment_122593285

You missed the point.

Your logic is that if we have more labour, we can reduce costs.

I said that if we have enough labour, we can reduce costs to below their basic cost.

I checked an app just now, I can get food delivered to my house for just €3.

The €3 probably just about covers the petrol. It doesn't cover the labour cost to deliver, nor the depreciation, insurance, on the vehicle.

A lot of what you call real world living is slavery.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593408#Comment_122593408

No, my logic is that people on low income provide a net contribution to society. Rather than viewing low income people as being a negative on society and expendable.

See, in the scenario you referenced, your attitude is that it's the delivery driver to blame formthat situation existing and your solution to the problem is to eradicate the delivery driver and other low income people.

Where as I see the value of low income workers to society and see that it's the responsibility of government through governmentantel policy to ensure every receives a fair wage.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593285#Comment_122593285

Small businesses should exist, but they shouldn't be parasitical or exploitative.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593153#Comment_122593153

No I’m not saying that students have decreased- I’m saying that without the figures of the number of students the figures of teachers in employment don’t mean anything as it doesn’t show the student teacher ratio. Teachers regularly speak about how the class ratios are way off and there are far too many students to one teacher

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594056#Comment_122594056

’expendable’, ‘eradicate’, no one has used that language but you

This is not about low income families. This all came from a poster saying that low income AS are ultimately a net loss to the exchequer. You then claimed that they were a benefit to teachers, landlords, nurses etc. It’s not a thread about low income families. It’s a thread about immigration

Oh and if AS are so beneficial to businesses why are so many restaurants closing down in certain places? Because tourism has been destroyed in some parts that’s why

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594290#Comment_122594290

17,000 additional teachers in employment in the last 10 years. That's the benefit of increased population and more people attending schools.

Let's stick to facts.

Teacher numbers at primary level have increased by more than 5,000 compared to the 2017-18 school year. This has led to a steady improvement in the pupil-teacher ratio and average class size statistics during this period. The latest figures in relation to pupil-teacher ratios show an improved ratio of teachers to pupils from 15.3:1 to 13.7:1 at primary level when comparing the 2017-18 school year to the 2021-22 school year. This compares favourably with the OECD pupil-teacher ratio, which is 1:15.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-06-29/83/

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594303#Comment_122594303

But that's exactly what you are saying. You want to eradicate asylum seekers and refugees. That's the while point of your posts on this thread ffs. You're not hearing arguing they should be allowed stay. Does the title of the thread not give it away? "Zero refugees" = eradicate them. You think people fleeing war and persecution should be forced to stay where they are and shouldn't be offered any help or protection. There expandable, you're happy for people to suffer war and persecution because the alternative impacts on your holiday plans in Ireland, and you don't want that to happen.

So low income immigrants are a net lose but low income Irish people are not? How does that logic work? It doesn't, that's how.

And tourism has seen significant increases in other parts.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41424823.html

As for the performance of restaurants and takeaways.

There are 8,674 Restaurants and Takeaways businesses in Ireland as of 2024, an increase of 0.7% from 2023.

Those pesky immigrants, coming over here and increasing the number of restaurants and takeaways operating in Ireland. A disgrace Joe, an utter disgrace.

Emblematic

Nothing wrong with takeaways and the like, but I doubt it is something that Ireland needs more of tbh.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594741#Comment_122594741

We've been awash with greasy food for decades, as we can see with our massive increase in clinically obese citizens which puts enormous pressure on our health services.

There's plenty of good eggs who've come from elsewhere to contribute to this country and will continue to do so, but we can be discerning about who we allow in without being prejudiced.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593226#Comment_122593226

Don't forget, as @Augme has pointed out, landlords also benefit from the influx, presumably because they can jack up rents even higher.

Repro212

How messed up is it that today's left are pushing an immigration policy that hits our poorest communities and most vulnerable people the hardest, while making the rich richer. Meanwhile, the so called 'anti-fascists' try to demonise, shut down and cancel anyone who dares to have a different opinion. Off the scale messed up is what it is. Off the scale.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594718#Comment_122594718

We don't allow in low income immigrants, we only allow in skilled net contributing immigrants

Refugee and (fake) asylum seeker applicants are not immigrants

Stop conflating two entirely separate issues, in court this is called 'The Rapist Defence'

It was cited earlier in the thread that each asylum seeker who stays is a net drain of at least 0.5 Million Euro but very typically 1 Million Euro each during their lifetime

Low income Irish people also represent a cost but it fluctuates in the negative range much closer to Zero

Low income employment represents mass failure of our education and labour markets, exacerbating the problem by allowing in fake asylum seekers because of 'feelings' instead of logic is idiotic in the extreme

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593289#Comment_122593289

McWilliams makes the point that Irish governments are way too cautious in spending money on things like housing, infrastructure and services. He thinks they should be bolder and stop putting money aside for a rainy day. He reckons immigration is not the problem, but the government's slowness in reacting to a growing population.

TomSweeney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590657#Comment_122590657

disingenous nonsense.

Most of these people aren't from war torn countries, and where are all the women and children ?

all men, all young men.

Good luck with them integrating into society.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590600#Comment_122590600

They are probably Palestinians who been refugees in Jordan but now realised they can get a nicer gig here, get paid to do nothing, what’s not to like

If they are actually Jordanians then why let them in? Jordan is one of the saner and safer places in that part of world

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595244#Comment_122595244

Some older people might remember David from the crash.

http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2011/02/16/gormley-on-the-guarantee-the-mcwilliams-option/

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594676#Comment_122594676

Ignore the fact that many do not have proper English and require more attention .

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594741#Comment_122594741

Jesus, which is? First asylum seekers are responsible for all these restaurants closing down and tourism being decimated and now we're being told we've too many restaurants as it is. 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595057#Comment_122595057

Huh? Anyone from the EU can come and work in Ireland. Do you think Polish and other Eastern Europeans are all working as doctors and engineers? 😂 I've some magic beans to sell you if that's the case.

People in this thread want immigrants out as well. Hence the reason they keep complaining about the negative impacts on housing, GP waiting lists, schools, hospitals etc.

Low income employment can easily be solved by higher minimum wage. But then we'd have the same poster in here blaming that for destroying our restaurants and local businesses. Can't win.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595316#Comment_122595316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595615#Comment_122595615

How can all these military aged young men be responsible for taking up primary school places and teachers time? A

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594741#Comment_122594741

Same goes for Turkish barber shops, which strangely seem to be always empty.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595316#Comment_122595316

all men, all young men

You have a cheek accusing others of disingenuous nonsense.

CollyFlower

It should br argued, debated, without using the words Far Right /Far Left, more should be done to address the root causes of the homeless, crime and the healthcare system, without name calling. And I'm fed up hearing the words "fulfilling our international obligations".

Our government hasn't got any backbone and the opposition are the same.

whatever.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595727#Comment_122595727

I'm not surprised "Huh" is your answer if you can't differentiate between people with a right to work and freedom of movement - EU citizens and skilled immigrants and asylum seekers who are neither

You're conflating two seperate subjects once again. You are either doing it on purpose to deflect from the weakness in your argument or lack the intellect to understand the difference

EU citizens have the aforementioned right to work and freedom but do not have a right to social assistance. They can be removed if they are unable to support themselves and have not worked in 90 days. They also can be removed for security, health or other policy reasons. This is also the case for skilled work permit holders.

The above ensures only those who will respect and contribute to society can come, it protects us, them and the integrity of freedom of movement

Contary to popular belief we can forcibly remove an EU citizen who has for example a violent assault, rape, murder conviction or war crimes (former Yugoslav states; Ukraine upon presumptive accession)

Bizarrely this means the restrictions on Irish and EU citizens is far higher than upon (fake) asylum seekers who by definition and origin have an astronomically higher likelihood of being a violent criminal, rapist, murderer or war criminal

They also don't need to provide ID, a background check is near impossible, they gain labour market access within 6 months, they gain social assistance and housong access immediately and there are no security restrictions upon them

A most extreme, bizzare and dangerous situation

There are provisions in our statue book that would allow us to detain anyone who entered the state without documents or to claim asylum until such time as the security of the state (and it's citizens) were not at risk

We could very easily do this in the curragh with the assistance of the army but we don't and this is a political decision at cabinet level.

It may not be explicitly policy but it most definitely is policy to allow asylum seekers unfettered access to the state

Along with this Minister McEntee is by some margin the poorest Minister for Justice we have had certainly in my career of 35 years and it started with the arrogant and corrupt Raphael 'Ray' Burke

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595768#Comment_122595768

And never accept card, laundromats the lot of them

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595768#Comment_122595768

They are used for money laundering by clans and other criminals, a total scam that the authorities often turn a blind eye to

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596388#Comment_122596388

Might be something of an urban myth. Journalists who have investigated this say the overwhelming number of barber shops, car washes, tanning salons etc in the UK are likely to be legitimate. They say the 'real' money laundering is going on through banks, bureaux de change and cryptocurrency, often involving our old friends, the Russians.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594718#Comment_122594718

What war are the majority who enter fleeing in the UK?