Time for a zero refugee policy? - Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24

Backstreet Moyes · 10-09-2024 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600185#Comment_122600185

The person has never worked a day in their life, has a council house and depends on government handouts.

He is complaining that people are coming here to do what he has done all his life.

It is my point completely that the government are using people like him to tar anyone who wants to peacefully protest as lazy and racist etc.

The government handling of this is wrong, but I would not protest with people like this.

I guess these are the type of people who protest, a normal citizen would fear losing their job for being associated with these protests with the way the media go on.

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600203#Comment_122600203

Yup. You are completely right.

If people have an issue with migrant men who we know nothing about living in tents in the city centre, making the city feel unsafe, or the fact that they are being bussed en masse into small rural towns that can't sustain them, they are "good ol' fashioned racists or xenophobes".

Relatively "very small number"?

Can you even hear yourself?

10000maniacs · 10-09-2024 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599390#Comment_122599390

Sutherland suffered from detachment, recklessness and a severe lack of thoughtfulness towards the Irish. Bellowing on about unrestricted immigration to Ireland from his £ multi million palace in Kensington London for 20 years.

Well, in the last 10 years since his death, his unrestricted immigration vision for Ireland has come true and then some.

prunudo · 10-09-2024 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600240#Comment_122600240

And that there, is why the status quo will never be broken. You're more afriad to stand shoulder to shoulder with the man who has similar opinions to you, because of some sort of classist bs. Maybe the 3 other people around you at a protest are a homeowner, a businessman, and a grandmother. All 5 of you are there for the same reason.

Unfortunately the government know a lot of Irish think like this and will continue to do what they like.

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600248#Comment_122600248

As I recall a lot of the anti-immigration posters on these threads believed IPAs should be forced to live on the streets so as to 'deter' them from coming here?

How did that work out?

And yes, relatively small number, we've had about 140k IPAs arrive over the last ten years. Going by figures on the number's who have taken up the amnesty and no of refugees currently living in the state, it seems a lot of these have left.

Couple this with the knowledge that IPAs have strong involvement in the labour market and it's clear this is actually not very much of an issue in the greater scheme of things. I think all can agree though that emergency accommodation costs are far too high, and the sooner we move to state owned accommodation the better.

https://emn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/EMN-Ireland-Labour-Market-Integration-of-International-Protection-Applicants-in-Ireland.pdf

JP Liz V1 · 10-09-2024 11:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598621#Comment_122598621

26 plus 20

How did he come by Germany and UK with no ID?

When I had to get sick pay when off work, I was put through some hoops by DSP to finally get pay help

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 11:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600365#Comment_122600365

Anyone turning up without documentation and paperwork proving who they are, where they came from, why exactly they are here and how they got here, should receive no help whatsoever.

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 11:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600413#Comment_122600413

But you also want to complain about people living in tents?

I'd think you'll have no problem finding things to be outraged about for the foreseeable future.

Geuze · 10-09-2024 11:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600203#Comment_122600203

I would not call 140,000 a "very small number", especially as it is increasing by 300 - 400 per week, or 15k-20k per annum.

That figure exclude the UKR flows, and excludes the legal immigration.

Vote4Squirrels · 10-09-2024 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600365#Comment_122600365

No, we absolutely DON'T agree that we should move to State owned accommodation!! Unless it is a series of detention centres like Villawood in Australia, or those near airports in the UK. Please stop telling people what they think ok ?

If we have to invest any more money into this debacle it needs to be spent on:

Prevention of illegal entry where possible and if this means talking to the neighbours to help with the "border" then so be it;

Adding extra staff to the process so it doesn't take 13 months for a case to be heard - and NO ONE who comes in without documentation should be allowed into the country proper until they have been investigated and we know who they are. I have to show my passport every time I board a flight and it is scanned at the airport - if you don't have it when you land we know you have given it to an organised trafficker to reuse. So we need technology to scan a passport at every entry point - the EU has the money, we just need the balls to ask them.

Making sure those who should be kicked out are sent packing as soon as possible, if this means detaining them for as long as it takes to charter a flight or series of flights again so be it.

I'm tried of hearing "they're just here for a better life". Great, apply for a work visa and do it right. If you don't qualify then don't come. Other hits that keep coming - "fleeing war and persecution! - no the majority are not; "international obligations" - we don't have any save taking a certain number direct from refugee camps in Syria etc and those from Ukraine - which we have done.

It's an NGO led scam and whilst O'Moron and his idiotic supporters go back to their posh Killiney gaffs, they people they lied to to encourage them to come here sleep on the streets when they should be assessed promptly, no appeal after appeal and sent back - Geldof may have espoused "feed the world" 40 years ago; I doubt he meant that should include all inclusive facilities.

twinytwo · 10-09-2024 11:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600203#Comment_122600203

What is unrealistic is your weird belief that you can bring unlimited numbers in, without the ability to remove those who should not be here.

What is even worse is your inability to see the issue with this. And almost on queue play the old racism card, much easier to deflect and shut down criticism than back up your nonsense.

Why should there not be focus on it? The country and tax payer is being taken for a ride.

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 11:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600453#Comment_122600453

I don't WANT to complain about living in tents. I HAVE to.

I find it completely unacceptable. If someone comes into the country without the documentation and proof of how they got here, they should either be arrested or deported.

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 11:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600485#Comment_122600485

Nobody's being brought in. People are arriving of their own volition.

twinytwo · 10-09-2024 12:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600513#Comment_122600513

Semantics, but by all means deflect away.

Vote4Squirrels · 10-09-2024 12:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600513#Comment_122600513

It is truly terrifying that you actually believe that.

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600331#Comment_122600331

I don't think that it's a class issue.

The media, the government and virtue signalling idiots have people believing that only the far right have an issue with the current illegal immigrant/bogus asylum seeking situation.

Anyone protesting the shambles happening at the moment is being labelled as Far-Right.

I know people who would love to protest but a clip of them on the news or a picture in the paper would be enough to have them identified and branded as a racist Far Right xenophobe (as you can see from the poster a few above) which would have serious employment and person implications.

It's a very sneaky and well thought out method of quelling the discontent.

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600495#Comment_122600495

There seems to be quite a disconnect between how you think things should work, and how they actually do.

It might help to take some time to learn about how things actually work, and consider why the systems we have evolved as they did?

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 12:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600539#Comment_122600539

I've tried to understand how you guys see things, maybe you can explain to me?

It's seems Rodric O'Gorman is some kind of evil mastermind, in cahoots with the hoteliers and ngos, and with control over the MSM, academia, and several arms of government.

But I'm also led to believe there's some kind of deep-state conspiracy across the EU?

It would help greatly if you guys could explain your beliefs a bit more thoroughly.

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 12:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600573#Comment_122600573

No. There is no disconnect.

I know how I would like things to work. It isn't happening at the moment. Which is why I am talking about it.

And as for how it ACTUALLY works? Thats the whole point. The point is that, at the moment, it DOESNT WORK. Rural towns overwhelmed. Mini shanty towns with tents strewn across the city. Hotels full of undocumented immigrants. Millions upon millions of tax payers money being doled out to support them. It's not working.

And please, if you choose to respond to me, please try not to be so patronising.

suvigirl · 10-09-2024 12:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600495#Comment_122600495

They cannot be deported if they claim asylum, that would be against the law.

They can be arrested, and then they can claim asylum.

So, they claim asylum either way.

Yvonne007 · 10-09-2024 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600687#Comment_122600687

Arrest them. Let them claim asylum. But do not let them into the general public until it has been proven beyond doubt and established exactly who they are, where they came from and that their case is genuine.

MegamanBoo · 10-09-2024 12:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600615#Comment_122600615

So your answer to all this is to start putting people in prison and deporting them.

Are you aware how difficult it is to deport people? What's your solution for overcoming this?

And where are these prisons? What do you expect the cost to be of imprisoning all these people? What will you do with families and children?

And how do you propose dealing with the international aspect of all of this? If harsher measures here push people towards other EU countries, how do we deal with the consequences of that, or do you not think this would happen?

You've complained about being patronised so please provide some detailed realistic answers, and not the same old simplistic sloganeering we've heard again and again from anti-immigration posters on here.