Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472389#Comment_120472389

You get truck lane size leeway here to constantly accuse others of lying.

I'm not playing your angry vitriol game.

Get your scissors ready.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472459#Comment_120472459

😂

"Angry vitriol"

All that's happened here is you've been spoonfed that you are wrong and it's been been pointed out you are lying on the figures on several fronts.

Reported for the last line btw. If you want to get pious and precious about "vitriol", don't post utter scrot like that.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120471745#Comment_120471745

The Ireland of zero immigration was a depressing kip of a place which people couldn't wait to leave. The anti-immigration guys seem to think Ireland can have a booming economy and high standard of living without any migrant workers to fuel the boom or fill the vacancies (either that or they actively want everyone else to be as miserable and inward looking as they are....perhaps the 'depressing kip' version of Ireland is the one they are secretly hankering after). Most EU citizens who come here for example are young, hard working and are tax payers.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472302#Comment_120472302

No. EU law and international law are separate things.

There are legal obligations under the geneva convention. Its just absolute bullshit to claim there isnt.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472068#Comment_120472068

Gaelic Paradise 😂 Love it. You're right of course. Shure let's go back to 'Old Ireland' which was ruled from Rome or by corrupt politicians and had mass emigration.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472874#Comment_120472874

The Farages of this thread were bellyaching about the some 20k Indians that were issued with PPS numbers in 2022.

I can garuntee you that the vast vast majority of those are instant high-tax bracket workers on landing in high-value-add industries like tech/pharma and critical health workers -- and will be paying the pensions of some of the dolts on this thread crowing about their presence.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472876#Comment_120472876

The Refugee Convention, to which Ireland obviously is a signatory, is codified into Irish law via legislation. We are committed by law to adhere to it, including the principle of non-refoulment where there is a credible danger to the individual seeking refuge. That's literally what our International Protection system assesses.

The Farages here are peddling myths. I'm not sure are they aware they are peddling myths and are simply not interested in reality, or if they're lying.

Kyokushin Grappler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472302#Comment_120472302

The numbskulls ruining this Country love to trot out the "We have legal and moral obligations to uphold" excuse to justify continuing this.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473372#Comment_120473372

On and on the same old tired rubbish.

It seems you are trying to borrrrreeee everyday to death with your repetitive stuff.

Borrrrringgg repetitive comments and angry baseless accusations.

I will have to repost the CSO government figures , Irish Examiner articles and RTE reports so you can accuse them of lying.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473386#Comment_120473386

All you reported were incomlete PPS number figures. PPS issuances do not equal long-term residency, or even residency at all as has been spoonfed to you. Irish nationals abroad may even apply for a PPS number for a non-Irish spouse or partner (and there are several reasons why one would do so). You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Your 80k and 20k figures were and are a lie, you made them up. Post them again, go ahead, you'll get called a liar again because it would be a factual comment.

maninasia

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41112766.html

A total of 79,783 Ukrainian people are now living in Ireland, according to the most up-to-date figures, and around 85 are still arriving here every day on average

Ukranian numbers in Ireland from official government sources.

Go do your usual angry stuff and shout liars at them.

Stop your uncivil behaviour to me and others here. Grow up.

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473429#Comment_120473429

Yes Irish can be immigrants and emigrants , are you confused about that?

Why?

Hey look above, you said there weren't 80,000 Ukranians here, are you saying the government is lying? The Irish Examiner reporter is lying?

Who is lying now?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473372#Comment_120473372

You posted a few months ago there was no more than a dozen Ukrainian reg cars in Ireland. Is this figure still up to date yurt?

maude6868

Hopefully we might get a new political party.

https://gript.ie/we-want-to-put-ireland-first-rural-independents-on-a-possible-new-political-party/

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473435#Comment_120473435

So, in 15 months since January 2022, we have had:

79,783 Ukrainian refugees

13,319 non-Ukrainian asylum seekers in 2022

1,437 non-Ukrainian asylum seekers in 2023 as of 7th Feb. With 200 odd arriving each week, that figure is probably double now.

So around 96,000 asylum seekers since January 2022, and it’s not like Jan ‘22 was day zero for asylum seekers - they have always been coming here and will keep continuing to do so.

So not quite the 100,000 you said which the other poster claimed were lies, but not far off.

Beasty

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Beasty

And after looking at their "contributions" throughout the day as well as their prior warnings maninasia is now threadbanned

SEPT 23 1989

Leo dares to compare us to what’s arriving here now to the ones who headed out there on coffin ships

disgusting

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473849#Comment_120473849

National Party, Ireland First, Irish Freedom Party, Aontu and the Provisional Peoples Front for the Liberation of Ireland First will end up running against each other and cancelling each other out

Kyokushin Grappler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473494#Comment_120473494

We need a better asylum seeking process to separate the genuine ones from the phonies. So we can get the phonies out faster. Sadly since this is such a money making business for both the Govt and NGOs nothing will ever be done unless we end up in a full blown revolt.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120472874#Comment_120472874

Post up your link to the facts of ur last statement.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475477#Comment_120475477

EU freedom of movement rules state that you can only move to Ireland to find work 'or' if you already have enough money to support yourself for several months (a wealthy retiree for example or somebody well off in general) or if someone - partner, relation etc - is going to support you.

A person cannot come here from an EU state to sign on the dole or claim benefits and the state can actually legally deport an EU citizen after three months if they haven't found work.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120473849#Comment_120473849

The problem is that any band of presumably right leaning parties / independents will eventually fail eachothers' purity tests. Some will see others as too extreme, and some will see others as not extreme enough. Any such party has to manage to unite a church of people that might comprise of some who have reasonable misgivings about multiculturalism with a whole array of people whose views range across supporting staunch Catholicism, libertarianism, authoritarianism, the brutalisation and even killing of criminals, summary deportations of migrants (along various differing thresholds of what qualifies for deportation), the maintenance of the 'purity' of the Irish race etc etc etc.

They could all band together but eventually they disgust and disappoint eachother. Those with the reasonable views would find it impossible to reel in the eccentrics and extremists, and the eccentrics and extremists would simply decry the reasonable ones as bootlickers.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476074#Comment_120476074

Just like the left leaning parties. Nothing is ever liberal enough.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120474193#Comment_120474193

Yes the irate poster could have provided a lnk from the cso for his claim about those Ukranians actually remaining here. A deduction of 10k as dsp shows all those with active claims. The number of 20k+ are those in DP only 2k are in own accommodation and now 400 + on the streets .

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476074#Comment_120476074

The likes of McGrath and Collins are ultra-pragmatists though. If they are the driving force behind this new party they'll be making sure it doesn't adopt any policies that are too extreme for 'middle Ireland'. I remain skeptical that they would be winning any more seats under a party label than they would running as standalone indeopendents...

Strazdas

David McWilliams wrote a very good article recently suggesting that whenever openly 'right wing' or right wing populist governments are elected globally, they usually end up wrecking the place and the economy. They are guided by ideology primarily (immigration and refugees, culture war issues, conservative values etc) and are invariably clueless as to how the modern economy works. Also, the markets often take fright and investors are reluctant to get involved with a country governed by ideologues.

People rightly would have many concerns about a country being governed by extreme left socialists but they probably should be even more worried by the right wing populist types.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476764#Comment_120476764

McGrath and Collins are far from pragmatic. They often parrot a lot of far right talking points - even the video above McGrath is ranting about globalists and NGOs on 5bn a year and Ireland First - all the language of far right. They are given a consistent platform by far right media like Gript. Nah not ultra pragmatic at all. Overly willing to latch onto far right hate/populism and conspiracies

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40339418.html

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120477174#Comment_120477174

IMO McGrath just trots out that stuff to win brownie points withn the Catholic Right. I'm dubious how much of it he truly agrees with or even fully understands. His laser focus is on retaining his Dail seat. If a situation arose where this putative party was propping up another FF/FG government you can rest assured they wouldn't be demanding any major lurches to the right on immigration or anything else; the individual TDs would as always be overwhelmingly concerned with looking after their own constituents....

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476992#Comment_120476992

That’s because they stray too far right and block skilled immigrants. You could look at the country and education level and predict issues.