Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574079#Comment_120574079

Highly unlikely scenario

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573404#Comment_120573404

The way things are going and are in Ireland, there'll be plenty of gangs to join in Ireland soon. Take your pick!

I had this discussion with someone recently and we are very much doubting that Ireland's population is just over 5 million in 2023. We think it is very much higher than that. Would love to see a genuine head count and census done.

NattyO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120570487#Comment_120570487

I really don't understand the "but the Irish emigrated" so-called argument.

So what?

Some Irish people immigrating has no bearing on what this country does or does not do with immigrants. We don't owe some kind of blood debt because of the navvies that built the British motorways, or the J1 students that party in Los Angeles. This argument somehow implies that the Irish are some kind of homogonous entity, like an ant colony, that is responsible for every action of each of its people, and has to keep track of every favour owed to pass on.

Imagine the reaction of the same people making this argument if it was argued that we shouldn't take any Muslims because some Muslims attacked the Twin Towers, or we shouldn't take any Turks because of that nasty business with the Armenians, yet these are the same premise.

It is a nonsensical figleaf used by open border fanatics to shore up the utter absurdity of their position.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574096#Comment_120574096

100% true.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574720#Comment_120574720

See, this is the problem on this thread. Straight into the melodramatics. Blood debt? What?

Firstly, I was responding to another poster who was talking about the way Irish emigrants apparently integrated and assimilated nicely. I didn't bring the point up.

Secondly, where on earth did I say anything about Ireland owing anyone anything purely because of its own history of emigration? My post centred purely around the fact that the Irish did not historically assimilate perfectly into the fabric of American society, nor did Irish migrants abandon their own ways and customs in deference to the "native" Americans.

I fail to see any good reason for finding it invalid to draw historical examples of the Irish in America as a case study of how an emigrant community develops within a host foreign society. But for whatever reason it really seems to ruffle a few feathers on this thread.

Varik

Most of us are descendants of the Irish who didn't emigrate anywhere, hence why we're here.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120573682#Comment_120573682

How are England closing their doors to illegal migrants? That's absolutely impossible. And once they enter the UK, they have access to Ireland via NI.

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575328#Comment_120575328

I think they are using Ireland as a way to get residency (will take years, but they will get it) then they will head freely anywhere they want in Europe.

Patrick2010

Nothing is going to change as there is no will to change the current immigration situation. O Gorman advertised On Twitter that Ireland is a place you can come to if you need your own door accommodation so no surprise how many have arrived .

Coveney wants to double our population, McEntee likes amnesties to encourage immigrants to stay long enough and they’ll eventually be citizens.

The media are onside with this so you won’t get any dissenting voices there ,just parrot that we need to be more compassionate, remember our history etc etc

We can build all the houses we like but the likes of the Irish refugee council will look for them to be used for refugees and will take high court cases to enforce this, look at the fact that there are at last count 87 cases working their way through the courts to force the government to find accommodation.

These NGOs are using our money to bring cases to force us to provide accommodation immediately for anyone who turns up in Dublin

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574046#Comment_120574046

It wouldnt be possible to determine within 1 week of a persons arrival if their claim is bogus or has legitimacy. The processes cannot take 1 week.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575873#Comment_120575873

Here you go:

Albania, Georgia, USA = all bogus, straight away, within one minute, simple.

That's a start.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575886#Comment_120575886

It doesnt work that way.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575873#Comment_120575873

Why?

tommybrees

Reminds me of whats going on in Los Angleles in the United States. Tent citys popping up all over and becoming no go area’s.

how many more is needed before somethings done to stop this insanity,

1000?

5000?

10000?

This was predicted on this forum ages ago.

delusiondestroyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058281647/time-for-a-zero-refugee-policy-read-op-for-mod-warnings-and-threadbans-updated-13-04-23

No issue with genuine refugees but it definitely needs far more strict controls and definitely needs to be limited we can't take people in to the detriment of our own culture and people.

What I do have an issue with the sneaky opportunistic "refugees" this should be harshly punished.

Otherwise the country will be over ran with people that have little attachment to the country or culture and are only here for what they can get out of it. They will use or soft plyable nature and system to change things to favour themselves.

It's hard to argue against the fact that we have homeless Irish while foreigners are being put up before them that's simply not right now matter what way you look at it we should have a policy of looking after our own first and then we LL use we have left to help others.

creeper1

The quicker you provide the 500 camping out in front of the international protection office with accomodation, the quicker the next 500 will show up. It's no solution at all.

What is needed is a Japanese/Singaporean style of dealing with things. Illegal immigrants get the choice of jail or returning to where they came from.

From article "Singapore would be dealt with under the 1959 Immigration Act – which states that they would be subjected to penalties such as caning, imprisonment and deportation if found guilty. "

https://thekopi.co/2021/09/08/singapore-refugee-policy-explained/

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120578355#Comment_120578355

I heard Leo on the radio yesterday saying how proud he was that Ireland took 100k refugees and asylum seekers last year.

I think a couple of months ago they were spooked a bit by the anti immigration protests and put extra cops at airports checking passports.

The anti immigration protests seem to be fizzling out after a media onslaught, the government sees voters have no one else to vote for and have decided it's business as usual. What'll the present immigration control parties get realistically in the next election - 3% tops?

Luxembourgo

Some figures on attitude to immigration

A certain slant, definitely, but opinions are opinions

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2023/05/10/ireland-says-no-to-immigration

creeper1

FF/FG/SF will do nothing to control borders. All you get is weakness. Even hearing varadkar using the word "firm" sounded weak. He followed up with a comment about how the EU should secure it's borders. Sorry. You were elected to deal with Ireland's problems now get on with it instead of passing the buck.

I have no faith in any of them. I think the Irish freedom party is probably the best option.

creeper1

Oh. And what about that jury's Inn hotel in Dublin 4? Isn't there a "severe shortage" of accommodation for international protection applicants? Let's utilise this hotel to house the young men. Surely this shouldn't be a problem?!

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120581591#Comment_120581591

Dunno about any party being the solution but a protest vote would go a long way to give most of these parties the up yours to them. They might think more about their position on certain policies. Never seen such an out of touch ignorant lot.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574091#Comment_120574091

Do please enlighten dont keep us in suspense .

Cluedo Monopoly

Just to follow up on a point I made early about future mass migrations completely eclipsing what we are seeing now.

Number of internally displaced people hits record high (rte.ie)

Record number of internally displaced people due to war, climate change

The number of internally displaced people reached a record 71.1 million worldwide last year due to conflicts and climate change events, according to data published today.

The Geneva-based Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre (IDMC) said that figure represented a 20% increase since 2021, with an unprecedented number of people fleeing in search of safety and shelter.

The bulk of displaced people last year - 32.6 million - was due to disasters including floods, droughts and landslides.

Mullaghteelin

I recall my elderly geography teacher frequently commenting how Bangladesh was unsuitable for human habitation, due to the inevitably of catastrophic flooding and associated tropical diseases. This was before Climate Change was taken into account. However, there was no talk of the population of Bangladesh moving to Europe to escape.

Monsoonal Climates in general are doomed to either have too much or too little rain from year to year. It is a human conceit to assume the weather should behave as we expect or desire.

If the hurricane that struck the North East USA in 1938 occured today we would never hear the end of it. It would be held to up as an example of Climate Change for decades to come.

For thousands of years we adapted our ways to suit the climate. Nowadays we live the way we want to live and how dare the Climate not cooperate!

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582292#Comment_120582292

This and the population in poorer countries is exploding at a level that is unsustainable regardless of climate change. So obviously there are going to be more people fleeing places that can't support the relentless population growth.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120582250#Comment_120582250

he only way to enable change is to vote for a different party that has a chance of getting into Govt.

The problem is that there are arguably no realistic options for an alternative vote.

The beauty of PRSTV though is you don't have to worry about the highlighted bit. You just give your first preference to whatever candidate you feel closest to ideologically, irrespective of how likely you think they are to get elected. And as you move down the ballot paper you can take realistic options into more consideration...

Juran

No 1. Free and easy access to birth control in these poorer countries is the only solution. No use throwing money at them, the men in charge just take it for themselves. No use in sending food, well fed women are too fertile.

No 2. Western world, UN, WHO, world bank, etc need to invest in education and training, for boys and girls in these countries. Divert resources into education (and birth control as I said above), then innovation, businesses, employment, better healthcare, recreation & sports, etc will naturally follow. This will make the people want to stay in their homeland.

Corrupt leaders, lack of womens rights and too high birth rate is a big root cause.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120571930#Comment_120571930

Refugees and immigrants are extremely beneficial.

Ireland is a much better place now than it was in the 1950s where we were an insular theocratic backwater.

The vast majority of refugees find work and contribute to society once their application is processed. They bring food, music, culture, sporting ability and enrich our lives.

Refugees are not a burden but an opportunity - OECD

The_Kew_Tour

Enrich our lives?