Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212339#Comment_120212339

In fairness there has been a history of good auld Irish criminals heading off too Holland and further afield to step up the ladder of their chosen profession.

Hungry Burger

Maybe we can get on to Rishi and see if he’ll let us in on the Rwanda deal.

Bobtheman

We need to get a grip.

The state needs to limit numbers coming in for bleeding obvious reasons

The protesters need to protest at the department of Justice rather than acting like rent a gang outside tents etc

The Státe also needs a dedicated site to deal with misinformation on refugees

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212880#Comment_120212880

Why the Department of Justice?

Why does the Dail get off?

If you want something done go protest the Dail Bar...

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212279#Comment_120212279

Have you any figures for refugees to be more likely in employment than natives?

Here's an article that states immigrants are twice as likely to require the government to pay the rent.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

buried

This is a Republic. The people are sovereign in a Republic. They have the right to protest peacefully wherever they please. That's how it works.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212279#Comment_120212279

Can you provide stats on that please?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212984#Comment_120212984

Nobody said they didn't have the right?

All I did was question the sense in protesting at the Department of Justice and not the Dail or Dail bar, at the lawmakers who actually set the nation's immigration and refugee policies.

If you have the right to protest at the Dail Bar? I'd protest right there.

MagicJohn

The passport destroyers can be arrested and detained for doing so.

Why isn't this being done?

Responding to a question raised by Matt Shanahan TD regarding claims that up to 40% of asylum seekers destroy or refuse to hand over their passports on arrival in Ireland - Helen McEntee responded with the following:

“I can inform the Deputy that in the first nine months of this year, 3,705 people arrived undocumented in Dublin airport. While these passengers should have presented documents at their point of departure, they were no longer in possession of those documents when they reached the immigration desks at Dublin airport.”

Under section 20 of the International Protection Act, those who have destroyed their identity documents can be arrested and detained. 

The question that arises is: were any of these 3,705 criminals arrested?

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212880#Comment_120212880

If they could use that site to add information on the nationality of those on housing lists and in employment I would agree.

Misinformation works both ways

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212970#Comment_120212970

They feels it.

Besides the Irish Times, RTE, Independent, The Journal, media celebs, college lecturers, former refugees themselves, NGOs all say refugees (i.e. anyone that turns up from anywhere claiming they were mistreated and in danger) are all great and anyone that disagrees are racist fascist knuckle draggers.

Sure the African lad that was videod abusing and threatening sexual assault on those state employees is misunderstood and only needs to be fully accepted and integrated.

Then this time next year he will be out marching in the Pride parade, raising money for the rape crisis centres and doing a feminist course on trans rights.

It is actually moronic in the extreme the shyte that some people seem to believe and a total disconnect from the reality as played out throughout Europe.

There is a certain arrogance that these people can be suddenly changed by us.

And why do some Irish people continue to believe we are different to everywhere else?

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212990#Comment_120212990

Plenty of protests have been staged outside the Dáil. Nobody cares, least of all the shower inside the Dáil. You are starting to see plenty of soundbites coming out from those in power questioning where protestors should have the right to protest. Senators such as FF's Malcom Byrne have recently proclaimed they want to see laws enacted to enforce such measures. So he is literally saying they shouldn't have the right. He'd want to earn his gold plated crust and realize he can't enact such measures. Because like I said, this is a REPUBLIC. But sure like I also said, the shower inside the establishment don't care, or don't even know what they are dealing with.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212279#Comment_120212279

I didn’t say it should entitle you to a house. You are losing the run of yourself.

Housing :

Dictionary definition….

houses and flats considered collectively.

ie. somewhere to live.

” same entitled ones “…. , you know them all ? :)

of course no sense or sign of entitlement of non citizens just turning up and wanting cash payments weekly, free healthcare, free public transport, AND somewhere to live, ie. ‘Housing’.. despite having never paid a cent of tax here ?!

we need more of looking after the wellbeing of citizens and prioritising their / our needs..

your native scum’ comment says it all ;)

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212088#Comment_120212088

apply limits to the numbers of people coming here seeking help, we can provide ALL of our citizens with 100% of what they need

So we just get rid of asylum seekers the country will be perfect.

That is next level dangerous delusion.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212197#Comment_120212197

Seeing as that fella in Kill was arrested and charged for threatening to burn down the asylum centre, I wonder was the man in that video arrested for threatening to rape and murder those women just doing their job? I would hope so. Both equally despicable acts.

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120211819#Comment_120211819

If someone claims asylum at the airport they can’t be denied entry to the State. In fact, the Minister is obliged to give permission to remain until their claim is decided. It’s the law of the land. Section 16.1 of the International Protection Act 2015. Otherwise Immigration officers can, and do, refuse people permission to land on a daily basis.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212187#Comment_120212187

🤣

As if Ireland never had any backward views on women. Its only 4 years since the 8th amendment was repealed.

Hungry Burger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213476#Comment_120213476

Yep, it’s great we have a modern view towards women nowadays isn’t it.

So why do you want unlimited importation of people that have a Stone Age view towards women?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212450#Comment_120212450

The "Rwanda deal" is actually probably leading to a jump in our numbers

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212990#Comment_120212990

Very hard for the protesters to deny charges of racism or xenophobia when they are directly confronting refugees who have come here. If you are shouting "Get them out" at refugees in their place of residence, you are more than likely a racist.

Strumms

Between 2000 and 2021… the success rate for asylum applications in Ireland was 39.3%.

So that finding was the vast majority of applicants, did not meet the criteria… is fact were bogus.

that surprised me… in a sort of jaw on floor manner…. That every 100 people who seek asylum, only around 39 are genuine, way less then half.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213496#Comment_120213496

I welcome EU migrants.

I welcome returning Irish emigrants.

I welcome genuine refugees.

I reject bogus asylum-seekers.

Am I a xenophobe? I welcome foreigners who legally immigrate here, but I reject those who illegally immigrate here.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213611#Comment_120213611

Unquestionably yes; you are an irredeemable xenophobe.

Furthermore, you’re a racist, a far-right loon, and possibly a tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy theorist, who goose steps around his home for fun!

There’s no point trying to extract logic from some ‘contributors’. If you’re not on-board with the agenda, you’re immediately dumped into the basket of deplorables. Nuance is not something in their wheelhouse.

creeper1

Amazing that this government is actually doing one thing right even if it's a bit late.

They are actually going to resume checks of passports at the bottom of the steps as people disembark.

It's unbelievable that migrant charities are opposing this. It's the absolute bare minimum expected of any travelers. Also there are no direct flights from Mogadishu etc to Dublin. They are flying in from London, Paris and other European countries.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214034#Comment_120214034

Agreed…but it’s more tokenistic I’d say….can’t meet every flight… these folks or a lot certainly are not looking for protection just a better life and opportunities … The migrant charities and enablers just have to be seen to be making the right noises. The noises that appeal to the interests and people of the demographic of people they serve.

its $$$$$$$$ to them.

theyve little interest in what’s right and proper.

you won’t flush a passport down an aircraft toilet too handy…..but it will disappear in a toilet in the terminal before they encounter arrivals handy enough or be cut up and binned without trace…hence the ‘effort’. It will be more a type of ‘GNIB theatre’… then an effective manner to stop bogus arrivals.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214034#Comment_120214034

You don't actually believe this will have an effect do you? It's completely toothless.

In the face of the largest wave of migration from non EU countries to Ireland we have less people processing claims than a few years ago. Its absolutely mind boggling to me.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120212026#Comment_120212026

I'm sorry, what are you suggesting I do?

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213476#Comment_120213476

So you admit we have progressed as a country with views towards women.

So I am not sure what point you are trying to make or what makes you laugh.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214079#Comment_120214079

You don't actually believe this will have an effect do you? It's completely toothless.

It isn't actually, it's highly effective evidenced by the last time it was done.

Not strictly legal though.

Bobtheman

There is a very good article by Michael McDowell in today’s irish times.

I usually think he is a tool but trust me he makes some good points.

Basically anybody asking for asylum with or without documentation are required to be processed.

However the government could decide on a quicker process for those without documentation.

Obviously the system needs reform and like many areas of the public sector - grossly under resourced

However its amazing what we can do if we want. Look at covid.

The Irish immigration service is a joke when it comes to deporting people. Locating them etc

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213476#Comment_120213476

Ah that's amazing. You make such good points!

Take a flight to Sweden there and go into one of the various no go zones at night on your own and discuss this with the people you find.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214202#Comment_120214202

Like Harris yesterday he wants to land grab off the Catholic Church.

It's not going happen, he might as well be touting building reception centres on the moon.

But he knows that.

Also the questions he poses he well knows well the answer to, if it were a genuine article he would explain why and offer tangible solutions within the remits of the law.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213474#Comment_120213474

Really we should fast track a change to this.

I can’t actually hold it agaisnt any economic migrant for wanting to better their life here knowing that they literally have no chance of being refused entry.

Obvious systematic change required to do the very best for the Irish tax payer and those genuinely in need of refuge and those we want to invite into the country to take up roles we can’t fill ourselves in the short term.

creeper1

Sorry I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with Michael on that. No passport then you are not accepted. If FF or other mainstream parties can not make that happen then it's time to vote for those that can.

If there's a treaty preventing this it needs shoving where the sun don't shine.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214220#Comment_120214220

Have you been to these no-go zones in Sweden?

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214577#Comment_120214577

The PC term is "vulnerable areas", as dubbed by the Swedish state.

https://demokracija.eu/focus/over-70-vulnerable-areas-exist-in-sweden/

I'm guessing your angle here though is to downplay said areas, on the ridiculous basis that you must physically observe them for them to be real. Even the Swedes have gotten past denial, but sadly some people are still hanging there, denying the most obvious of things.

Chips Lovell

V4 Agency, eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/london-based-media-agency-channels-victor-orban-nativist-message-hungary

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-09/orban-propaganda-machine-seeks-european-reach-with-news-agency

I'm sure someone will be along soon to claim that it's more objective that the Irish Times. 😉

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214954#Comment_120214954

The lazy attack on the source and not the substance. If I posted the same thing from a Swedish source, what difference would it make? Do you have anything to dispute about the article in question?

Even Wikipedia has the same info, using Norwegian and Swedish news sources:

"A vulnerable area is described as being geographically defined and having a low socioeconomic status and criminals negatively affecting society. The three categories of vulnerable area are divided according to severity: vulnerable areas, risk areas and especially vulnerable areas.[12]"

"These areas are sometimes called no-go zones, as emergency services such as fire engines and ambulances "on occasion" cannot drive into these areas during a tense situation without a police escort as they will be attacked by criminal gangs.[3]"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213548#Comment_120213548

And the unsuccessful are still here

airy fairy

Gardai are going to randomly check passports at airports now, but what happens when that person has no documentation? Are they pivoted around and marched back up the steps of the plane to be taken on a return flight? Or if that person shouts that he/she wants asylum,are we then obliged to process them?

I travelled from Kerry airport, changed at Dublin last week. I was asked for my ID. I would not be left on an internal flight without it, and I had to produce same when I landed at the internal airport. Same on the return part of the journey. I presume I wouldn't have been left board the flight without it and security or guards called if I had somehow 'lost' my ID after arriving in Kerry or Dublin...how are these people actually getting through in the first place?

Chips Lovell

If I posted the same thing from a Swedish source, what difference would it make? 

It would probably make your agenda a tad less transparent. 😉

kingstevii

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214034#Comment_120214034

How many are actually flying into Dublin Airport? Having been listening to Drivetime and the likes over the last couple of weeks, the preferred route seems to UK to Belfast, and the train or bus down to Dublin..

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120214577#Comment_120214577

Not sure why I'd places overrun with gang violence, but I'm sure they aren't real because it's been a completely positive experience for Sweden in your imagination. Just because they don't like the label of no-go zone, doesn't change the fact that they now have lots of areas that have now become unsafe and they are basically all areas where they dumped refugees.

How many sources would you like? This literally took a couple of seconds to locate with one search

Swedish PM says integration of immigrants has failed, fueled gang crime | Reuters

Analysis: Gang crime looms over election in Sweden as shootings spread | Reuters

Sweden’s Brutal Gang Problem: Here’s What Officials Blame It On (forbes.com)

'A different Sweden': Gang shootings loom large in vote (france24.com)

‘Very chaotic situation’: Gun violence on the rise in Sweden (aa.com.tr)

Police on the beat in Sweden’s so called ‘no go zones’ (thenationalnews.com)

Sweden adds three new places to list of ‘vulnerable areas’ (thelocal.se)

So… are they no-go zones? What you need to know about Sweden’s vulnerable areas (thelocal.se)

Sweden election: Gang shootings cast shadow over vote - BBC News

Sweden hits record with 60 shot dead in 2022 | TVP World

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215149#Comment_120215149

Yeah I don't go to certain places in Finglas, Neilstown, Darndale, Ballyer, Jobstown etc etc late at night myself either. I doubt many on here would. Dublin Bus regularly has to stop services to lots of these kips due to them being no go zones at certain times. Never really hear anyone from the right complaining about no go zones in Ireland.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215107#Comment_120215107

What? My agenda is as clear as day, I've never hidden my views or tried to pretend that I'm anything that I'm not. So I take it then, that you don't contest the substance, and were hoping to gain something simply by attacking the source? What's very obvious though, is that you and similar minded people are running on fumes at the minute, as you've nothing of substance to say about the whole topic, and what does that say about your worldview?

Chips Lovell

You're right, you're right. I'm sure it was pure coincidence that the story you selected presented the issue in the most sensational light and worked hard to tie it to migration. And I'm sure that inconvenient sentences in Wikipedia page you subsequently cited, such as "The overall trend is that these areas are improving" had no bearing on your decision to use V4 instead.

More broadly though I've notice that you've no hesitation about being scornful about particular media outlets, but get more than a little upset when someone pokes holes in the outlets you cite yourself.

But yes, it's childish of me to stoop to the same level and respond in kind by impugning the reputation of V4. Everyone knows that if you want to get well-informed, objective reporting on migration in Sweden, you should turn to an Orban-linked Hungarian news agency with a track record for peddling scare stories about migration.

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215233#Comment_120215233

I've posted a few links above there - are they all run by the Hungarians too?

hotmail.com

Bogus asylum seekers take up space for genuine ones. I don't know why the do gooders are standing up for them.

creeper1

They are all flying into Dublin since you don't need a passport to go from NI to Dublin. It's not expected for anyone to show a passport within the island of Ireland.

I don't even know how they claim asylum going via the northern Ireland route. Do they just show up at a gardai station asking to put into the system? Your guess is as good as mine.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215268#Comment_120215268

because they aren't bogus until shown to be so by the authorities.