Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800078#Comment_120800078

It's probably from some random Facebook group and isn't in Drogheda at all.

creeper1

The whole refugee policy may seem chaotic, lawless and disordered but let's not forget about the Ireland 2040 plan.

Irish women have a fertility rate of 1.786 I believe. That's below replacement level!

The plan of Ireland 2040 anticipates an extra million people on the island.

Somebody, somewhere has some kind of insight into the future.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800134#Comment_120800134

Fertility rate would be a lot better if working couples were actually able to get somewhere to live.

I know a number of couples in their late twenties/early thirties putting off getting married because they don’t want to be in the position of having a baby while having uncertain outlook for housing. If working people could get actually get a house together like previous generations could you’d 100% see an uptick in our fertility rate.

Not even to mention the singletons in their 30s still stuck at home. Hard to be active and successful on the dating when you can’t have people over or back after.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800219#Comment_120800219

Will certainly make for 'a more blended integrated society' , all living at home with granny and grandad ! ;)

I agree with your point wholeheartedly , Stephen .

Housing should have been declared an emergency in 2015 when homelessness was creeping up and children were being housed in hotel rooms.

How many ministers for housing have presided over this now at this stage ?

This is the main issue , everything else follows on from lack of housing .

mikethecop

i find it very hard to understand why this guys problems with people looking at him a bit funny is more important than the safety of females he may come across

He clearly poses a threat and will continue to do so

surely it is rational that this person be returned to his country of origin rather than e facilitated here.

I mean what is the positive side of allowing him to live here ? and if there are some how could thy possibly out weigh the negatives

Man who raped one woman and tried to lure another into car jailed for 10 years – The Irish Times

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800513#Comment_120800513

He's in custody isn't he?

Sure you have to see him do his sentence anyway

baldbear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800513#Comment_120800513

He sexually assaulted a woman in the UK in 2014. (In guessing his asylum was denied there) he came here and was granted asylum in 2018. How in the name of God can you be granted asylum when you are a danger to women? Are there no background checks done?

He says he is blind yet was driving around looking to rape women.

Jesus. No wonder predators are coming from the UK here to claim asylum.

Is a deportation order in place now once he is released? Or will we like I fear just let him stay .

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120790953#Comment_120790953

5000 applying for an apartment is no surprise - not in NGO clownworld anyway, the new normal I suppose.

Do u have kids?

If you did and move to a new area, finding a nearby creche, school and doctor are some of the questions that kinda get asked fast.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801130#Comment_120801130

It's no surprise a below market rent apartment would be highly sought after!

Particularly in a housing crisis, not sure what this has to do with refugees though.....

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800751#Comment_120800751

No mention of deported, 3 years supervision after release. No doubt back to his disability allowance for blindness and driving away. Allowed asylum here after fleeing from the UK!

That judge should be sacked for no deportation order.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801155#Comment_120801155

With 5000 applying would it possibly indicate that the country is full? If you had kids finding local creche, school, doctor etc is kinda useful too.

ShamNNspace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801158#Comment_120801158

The Judge should be deported 😉

superbatman

The rate we are taking people in was unsustainable last year and it's even worse now. As someone said Ballaghaderreen is now Irish minority, that is ridiculous. France and Germany have guilt associated with their past colonization of places which is why they decided for example in France's case to take lots of people in from Algeria.

The difference is we owe nothing to nobody. If year by year the ethnic population of Nigeria for example was becoming less ethnic Nigerian it would be seen as a crisis, there would be articles written, on how to solve it, what's the cause etc but in Europe, this is happening and it's viewed as progressive.

We have this attitude in Ireland, sure it will be grand but it won't be and the more people we take in the more life is **** for everyone. Cos there only ever enough cake to go around. It's not about not wanting to help we don't have the means to anymore.

I know older people than I who had their medical cards taken from them yet some lad lands here and boom here's a medical card for you. How do you think that makes people feel that lived here their whole life, paid taxes and some guy comes and gets a medical card. Is it the asylum seekers' fault, of course not but the reality is they don't care about the person who got their medical card taken from them, they don't care about the students who don't have a place to stay in college in Sligo, they don't care about the rural areas who might feel uncomfortable with so many being moved in so the question why should we have to care? We are viewed as soft touches.

Ireland in 1990 had a population of 3.5 million today we have 5.5 and that is not including the 100,000 we have taken in. That is a 60 percent increase in our population.

UK in contrast in 1990 had a population of 59 million and today it's 67 million. That is a 15 percent increase.

In the UK there are something like over 50,000 people trying to get asylum, we have 21,000.

As I have said so many times before, it's basic math.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801210#Comment_120801210

It would indicate that the rent was below market rates, as pointed out in the article you linked.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800513#Comment_120800513

He should not have been here to begin with, asylum for different eye colour, what ever next, our entry system is a joke

The court heard the native of Pakistan sought asylum in this country due to his appearance as a result of ocular albinism which “set him apart” and caused him to be “bullied and ostracised

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801158#Comment_120801158

The immigration officer that granted an asylum request like that should also be sacked.

Coming from a safe country like Pakistan should automatically not even be entertained. Compulsory flight the very same day should be handed out to anyone like that.

O'Gorman and the rest are also responsible for this. The Pakistani national may have committed the crime but it's O'Gorman and the rest that held the door open.

OneEightSeven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120802136#Comment_120802136

Charlie Flanagan was the MoJ when he was granted refuge.

Stephen_Maturin

Right wing AfD in Germany reach an all time high.

The EU really should look very carefully at the policies they’re pursuing with regards to the current crisis. The policies are actively fuelling a shift to right wing politics across the EU. A more balanced approach is needed.

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120802892#Comment_120802892

The EU is a failure. It's on it's downward trajectory now. Europe is in for a very dark, turbulent period.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120800513#Comment_120800513

A refugee that should be deported after sentence , another one that got in past the so called vetting . He was convicted in the UK in 2014 for a sex assault . The Judge said he is a danger and likely to reoffend !! 

Tensions continue flare in Ireland on new arrivals moving to areas without consulation .

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/tensions-flare-ireland-grapples-refugee-30382173?utm_source=irish_mirror_newsletter&utm_campaign=daily_newsletter2&utm_medium=email

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801367#Comment_120801367

Your "basic math" calculations always seem to exclude the inconvenient numerical calculation of 5 million people fleeing westward from Ukraine after the outbreak of war, on top of all the other refugees around the world, and the inflection on global movement of refugees with eased travel restrictions post-Covid.

You go on as if this all were some long-standing permanent policy of the Irish government — completely ignoring the context in which it's happening and seemingly on the assumption that the State just intends to keep welcoming more and more refugees until the country collapses.

Your 'basic math' is just that — basic — and without appreciation for complexity and nuance.

US3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120802136#Comment_120802136

He came from England not Pakistan. Committed sexual crimes in England too.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803589#Comment_120803589

I would not be surprised if he previously claimed asylum there too .

TokTik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803490#Comment_120803490

Are the numbers from Africa going to suddenly slow down?

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803760#Comment_120803760

Do you know what the numbers from Africa are?

What is the issue with them being from Africa?

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120801367#Comment_120801367

Great irony is we are taking in Ukrainian "refugees" to bolster their fight for sovereignty, yet we are relinquishing our sovereignty at an alarming rate. With our open border policies, our ability to control our destiny as a nation is diminishing by the day; indeed, we are no longer a nation in any meaningful sense of the word.

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.thejournal.ie/sex-offender-raped-woman-lure-another-car-jailed-6108826-Jul2023/

I am genuinely amazed they were allowed into the country. Already had sexual convictions in the UK and everything

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804436#Comment_120804436

It's an entire continent comprised of 54 countries, why the hell are they here, halfway around the word? Let Africa deal with Africa’s problems.

If my neighbour’s house burns down that if immediate concern to me, if a house a couple of streets over burns down, it’s not so much of a concern, but I may know the people, they may be part of my parish or club’s supporters etc, so I might well help out. If someone’s house burns down half a world away, well I see that as the concern of their neighbours, parish, town, then county or nation.

I don’t see millions of Ukrainians being shipped to Africa or Asia, nor should they, why would they be the concern of whole other continents?

I’ve no interest in saving the whole world, let Africa look after its own rather than exporting its problems to Europe.

superbatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803490#Comment_120803490

How is it basic Math? We had 3.5 million people in 1990 and 5.5 as of 2022. Do you need a calculator?

We don't have the means to keep our population growing at this rate and this excludes the 100,000 people we have taken in.

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804867#Comment_120804867

So you have no issues with asylum seekers from Europe then? No problem taking them in?